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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 15, 2013 21:38:55 GMT -6
A student who is suffering from depression is protected by HIPPA Laws. It means special accommodations must be made for an individual who has a condition that impacts his abiity to learn or impacts his overall health.
Since most college students are legally adults I think he or she would have to report the condition to the school -- all instructors and coaches would have to be notified. From personal experience -- as a parent with a 20 something son I couldn't formally ask for a special accomodation for him. He has to do it himself.
The question I have is was the school ever officially informed that a member of the team had a history of clinical depression?
Having taught at the college level I have gone to the administration seeking advice when I believed I was dealing with a student who had emotional issues. It's not easy and you can become the target if you do not establish a record of trying to solve the problem.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 16, 2013 12:14:51 GMT -6
A lot was made of the 10 scholarship transfers under the Wardle era. So far we have heard from 3 of them (Jarvis Williams, Clayton Heuer and Seth Evans). The consensus from those three is that while Coach Wardle may not have been their favorite they left for reasons other than him being abusive.
So far we have heard from 2 players or their families (Cougill and Bross) that have indicated Coach Wardle is abusive. It may only be a matter of time until Kam Cerroni or his family speaks but it would be logical given the circumstances of his departure and his limited quotes so far that he and Wardle did not have a good relationship. It is only speculation on my part but I know the mom's of Brennan and Kam were friendly. Perhaps this is who Gina Gougill was referring to in the letter that she shared with the paper. I don't have a problem with Cougs stepping up and saying Bross was abused. I do have a problem with him using his own situation as further justification. I see these as separate issues. Him validating Bross would make sense because he was there. Him validating Bross because he and his mom have done some foolish things that Wardle didn't like or handle in a "PC" way is leap I am not willing to take yet.
I find it interesting that the kids who hang together or who have parents that are friendly seem to be connected in this story and so far nobody outside of their group is corroborating the story. At this point I don't doubt Wardle was on his guys. I still get the feeling that he happened to be on the guys who came from a background where they didn't like that style or had other people telling them that style was not acceptable. The other guys haven't really supported their position yet. I think the lesson for Coach Wardle is that you have to communicate with people in a way they can receive it. Perhaps he is guilty of being stubborn in how he does things.
Also, of note it was interesting that the Chancellor acknowledged the rumor of practice tapes being deleted but did verify it yet. If that ends up being true that won't be good in the court of public opinion.
My bottom line is that I am still not convinced Wardle is in the wrong. Yet if this continues to draw a enough negativity to the university, I wouldn't be surprised if he is bounced and they try to repair the PR damage with a new face of the program. If I am Bothof I am getting my short list ready, provided Ken is still around as Cougill's mom tried to hang him out to dry as well.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 16, 2013 12:59:18 GMT -6
Dick bennett joins Maino and NickThe above link is to the podcast of Maino and Nick today, and they were joined by Dick Bennett. Dick was just a fantastic interview, and Maino was spot on as well. Take the time this is a must listen.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 16, 2013 12:59:41 GMT -6
My bottom line is that I am still not convinced Wardle is in the wrong. Yet if this continues to draw a enough negativity to the university, I wouldn't be surprised if he is bounced and they try to repair the PR damage with a new face of the program. If I am Bothof I am getting my short list ready, provided Ken is still around as Cougill's mom tried to hang him out to dry as well. As you shouldn't be; in America, 'innocent until proven guilty.' I would like to advise caution to those on this board who are trying to paint Cougill and Bross as soft or in the wrong. As with Wardle, there's an investigation. Let it run its course before you start in on slamming people. As for Williams, Heuer and Evans, they each had their own reasons for leaving - Williams was injury-prone, Heuer wasn't D-I caliber, Evans moved to be closer to his retiring father - this just goes to show that in life, everyone has different experiences and different reasons for making similar decisions. For Cougill and Bross, they had a different experience and they felt the need to file complaint with the university. As for the Green Bay program, I am cautiously optimistic that the investigation will find Cougill and Bross had isolated problems and that Wardle and his staff will be largely exonerated.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 16, 2013 13:31:21 GMT -6
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Post by phearthephoenix on Apr 16, 2013 14:54:57 GMT -6
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Post by wannabeaphan on Apr 16, 2013 15:04:00 GMT -6
I would ask everyone commenting to ask themselves a few questions: Do you think the university would spend what will probably be thousands of dollars to investigation incidents of yelling? Why are people so quick to assume that the student-athletes are in the wrong? I am assuming, as one of the people posting said, that universities get plenty of complaints from helicopter parents and that those complaints are either dismissed or dealt with with a little handholding. I am having a hard time jumping on the wagon with those that think this is about a overly sensitive kid.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 16, 2013 15:29:53 GMT -6
The university has to spend the money to clear the air. No choice. Bross' parents and Coug's mom want it that way and would not accept an internal investigation. This way the report comes from an independent non-bias source.
No one has addressed the HIPPA regulation issue. Did a player report a history of clinical depression or a learning disability? If he did and no accomodation was made the school is in deep trouble. FYI, if the student is legally an adult it complicates things because it limits the role the parent can play.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 16, 2013 17:17:22 GMT -6
Hey tulsa, I think Cougs depression may fall under the Americans with Disabilities Act and not so much less HIPAA (NOTE: I'm not a health care lawyer and I don't play one on TV)....But clinical depression is covered under the ADA.
If he had an obligation to report his history and didn't then he hasn't got a leg to stand on. My question is under 'reasonable accommodations' the school is obligated to provide. What are reasonable accommodations that can be provided to a D1 basketball player with a history of clinical depression? It's one thing to be an Iraq vet with titanium legs coming back to school at UWGB and not being able to find a desk in a classroom that will accommodate for their disability....In Cougs case, what would BW do (Not yell at him all the time)? There may be certain activities that could be exempted from the ADA, but I will leave that for the lawyers who could cite case law better than I.....;-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 20:03:25 GMT -6
I apologize, I have disappeared for awhile.....I wanted the dust to settle.
Do you guys really think that a University would do an investigation on a coach that has done some yelling and screaming at his players?
Let's all grow a pair and realize that there is more to this than a coach "verbally" disciplining his players.
Like I said before, let's let the investigation give us the facts.
By the way, did anyone listen to coach Bennetts radio interview? I know he is an idol, (he is to me anyway) but he didn't even know how to say Wardles name....come on. It has been a long time since coach has been involved in the game and I am not sure the way he coached back then would work today. Just as Bobby Knights antics would not be tolerated in todays game. (I am not putting them in the same catagory) I am just saying times have changed.
If Wardle really has done a good job with players, he would have SOMEONE who has played for him step up and give atleast one thumbs up as a good coach, good man or person who has done something positive for someone in their life. There are many coaches who have had a positive impact on young mens lives that have given back to their programs or their coaches. If the players believe in their coach, they step up......has anyone stepped up?
I have one more comment, Orrin Browns support of Wardle is a joke. Orrin needs Wardle to give his kid his blessing so that what ever slim chance Alec has of playing at the next level, Wardle doesn't blow it up!
More to ponder......let's have a good discussion.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 16, 2013 20:32:42 GMT -6
I apologize, I have disappeared for awhile.....I wanted the dust to settle. Do you guys really think that a University would do an investigation on a coach that has done some yelling and screaming at his players? Let's all grow a pair and realize that there is more to this than a coach "verbally" disciplining his players. Like I said before, let's let the investigation give us the facts. By the way, did anyone listen to coach Bennetts radio interview? I know he is an idol, (he is to me anyway) but he didn't even know how to say Wardles name....come on. It has been a long time since coach has been involved in the game and I am not sure the way he coached back then would work today. Just as Bobby Knights antics would not be tolerated in todays game. (I am not putting them in the same catagory) I am just saying times have changed. If Wardle really has done a good job with players, he would have SOMEONE who has played for him step up and give atleast one thumbs up as a good coach, good man or person who has done something positive for someone in their life. There are many coaches who have had a positive impact on young mens lives that have given back to their programs or their coaches. If the players believe in their coach, they step up......has anyone stepped up? I have one more comment, Orrin Browns support of Wardle is a joke. Orrin needs Wardle to give his kid his blessing so that what ever slim chance Alec has of playing at the next level, Wardle doesn't blow it up! More to ponder......let's have a good discussion. Dick coached at Washington State not that long ago, the game has in no way passed him by. There are a ton of Bobby Knight types in the game. Buzz Williams runs insane practices. Bo Ryan is a volcano in practice. If a player prefers a soft coach, better try intramurals. Most of the team has supported their coach on twitter. All the good, dedicated players support their coach.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 16, 2013 20:44:21 GMT -6
Dick bennett joins Maino and NickThe above link is to the podcast of Maino and Nick today, and they were joined by Dick Bennett. Dick was just a fantastic interview, and Maino was spot on as well. Take the time this is a must listen. This is a must listen too. It starts about 2/3 of the way through the show. Like Dick said being a coach is tough love and when he quit yelling or talking to a player he had given up on the player. Great part about him clearing out a players locker so when he came in he found he was done. This same player called Tony and wanted him to coach his son because he learned what it meant. Dick also talked about how hard it is on a coach to get bad mouthed by a player or give up on one. He felt it was worse on him when he disciplined a player. Also everyone is innocent until the results come out. GB did not have any choice when it was given to the media at the same time. They had to do a expensive investigation. The only players (parents) who have bad mouthed BW have left the program. Many transfers have said they understood BW's coaching and left for playing time or family reasons. I'm not aware of a current player saying anything bad on twitter or any other media. It's funny that the parents seem to be the childish ones in this problem? This is D1 not intramural like someone pointed out!
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Post by phearthephoenix on Apr 16, 2013 20:56:30 GMT -6
This is the father of Zach Braxton, a player from Colorado that GB is recruiting and has offered a scholarship to. He tweeted this to Demovsky this afternoon
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Post by gbnix11 on Apr 16, 2013 21:00:19 GMT -6
I have one more comment, Orrin Browns support of Wardle is a joke. Orrin needs Wardle to give his kid his blessing so that what ever slim chance Alec has of playing at the next level, Wardle doesn't blow it up! More to ponder......let's have a good discussion. So because someone is saying good things about Wardle it becomes a joke? You would think the Browns would know how things are run the best considering Alec has been there and been a key player for 3 years. I'm sure Alec has been yelled at more than anyone over that time. But he, unlike some other individuals, knows that it is part of the game. As far as your comments about him needing Wardles blessing that is just not true. Alec could probably transfer to most schools in the country and contribute. And he will get an opportunity at the next level, whether that be here or Europe he will make a lot of money playing basketball with or without Wardles blessing. I just think this is a big witch hunt by some crazy parents who didnt like how Brian ran things there. Anyone involved in college athletics who I have talked to about this thinks that it is a joke. You made a comment about why players haven't said anything good on his behalf, well Seth Evans basically did that. And why would those players want to get involved with something that has nothing to do with them now? A lot of players leave because they don't like a coach or how he coaches, it's part of athletics, grow up. Sorry, rant over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 21:01:17 GMT -6
OK, OK shootingthej I'll give you that Dick has only been gone for 10 years!!!!
Most of the GOOD players will defend their coach if they have no options and are afraid of loosing what they have! Let's all put yourselves in one of the players positions, if Wardle isn't removed and the players have to come back and play for him and they haven't supported him through this.......what do you think really think will happen??? Don't give me this crap that the players have supported him through their tweeting.......The existing players have no choice. I guess they could quit and move on. Do the players really have an option if this is their only option? I think Keifer could find a team to take him, Alec, yes he is 7' tall. Jordan can. Greg Mayes, I think he could find a team. The rest, good luck!
I think you are making excuses for the guy, again let's gather the facts and see where it leads us. But to say that he has legitimate support right now is a stretch.
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