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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 16, 2013 21:02:59 GMT -6
This is the father of Zach Braxton, a player from Colorado that GB is recruiting and has offered a scholarship to. He tweeted this to Demovsky this afternoon Very nice unfortunately this doesn't always work. Sounds like a parent with a good thought process and wanting to see his son grow up.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 16, 2013 21:25:55 GMT -6
I find it odd that bigv joins this board right before the story breaks on BW.....
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 16, 2013 21:41:45 GMT -6
I find it odd that bigv joins this board right before the story breaks on BW..... Why do you think he came back to stir when positive things come out. Also to attack another parent?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 16, 2013 21:49:02 GMT -6
As far as credability goes at this time I am going to side with Dick Bennett over Brennan Cougill. One guy is a legendary coach with a solid track who may talk funny on the radio. The other guy flunked out of one college, cheated at another and may like to party too much. I think actions speak louder than words.
Other than BC nobody past or present has sided with Bross. For some reason BigV says Wardle is guilty because nobody defends him but nobody validates Bross either. I don't understand the double standard.
Why are Orrin Brown's comments being dismissed? Orrin doesn't need to say a word, it is not like we were on pins and needles waiting for the father of Alec Brown to speak! Plus his kid could transfer and play somewhere else, his kid could play pro ball somewhere in this world right now for good money or his kid could have a new coach at GB if Orrin piles on. Nobody expects Orrin to say a word and yet when given the opportunity he chooses to defend Wardle when he doesn't have to.
Instead of letting the AD/Chancellor/outside law firm handle this situation behind closed doors and then come out with their findings the Bross and Cougill families had to go to the media up front. They have a bunch of vague claims and refuse to provide any real examples of abuse. Coug's examples made him look silly, give me the other 17 distractions because the first 3 don't make much of a case. Bross's family didn't say a word, just a pump and dump of sorts. How about an example so that reasonable minds like my own can make a decision? It takes no courage to sling mud and then run and hide. The way they handled this makes it look like a witch hunt or that that they have other motives.
I don't love Coach Wardle and I don't know if he did cross the line. I do know that if I had the facts I would be open minded to him being vindicated or him being punished/fired. Right now with the facts that Cougill/Bross have brought to light it is pretty hard to take their claims seriously and it is pretty hard for me to think Wardle is in the wrong. I would easily change my opinion with some actual reasonable information.
BigV seems to have inside info, can you provide an actual example of abuse to validate your position?
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Post by Nix on Apr 17, 2013 1:42:43 GMT -6
I find it odd that bigv joins this board right before the story breaks on BW..... Why do you think he came back to stir when positive things come out. Also to attack another parent? This bigv guy really seems to be just stirring the pot. Acts like he has inside info. Suspicious on his part. Great to see AB's dad showing love for BW, especially since Alec takes the most 'harassment' from BW.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 17, 2013 1:49:45 GMT -6
I don't know why any of you are taking sides. Honestly, if you go one way and it comes out that your side is totally in the wrong, you're going to feel the chill of egg on your face.
Best sit back and hope for the best. There's nothing to argue about here, although I think it's plainly obvious that this "bigv" character is connected to one of the departing players.
A piece of advice for parents and friends who want to come onto a message board and talk trash: get a screen name months after your player joins, and not around any specific events. Otherwise everyone is going to see through you like a window pane on the floor of a boat.
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Post by can opener man on Apr 17, 2013 8:23:25 GMT -6
I guess anyone backing wardell, including alec browns dad, is a joke according to bigv. that is really allowing the facts to flow in as bigv wants.
it seems like in his eyes, anyone who complains about the coach is legit, and anyone who backs him is a joke (as his statement about alecs browns dad shows).
what about the former volunteer team manager, basically a third party no longer connected to the story, says there wasnt excessive verbal abuse? would bigv consider that statement a joke too ? let all the facts flow in, not just the ones u want to hear.
then he will go as far as starting a rumor as he did in his inital post, about someone elses kid transfering, just to try to get a reaction.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 17, 2013 8:31:10 GMT -6
I don't know why any of you are taking sides. Honestly, if you go one way and it comes out that your side is totally in the wrong, you're going to feel the chill of egg on your face. Best sit back and hope for the best. There's nothing to argue about here, although I think it's plainly obvious that this "bigv" character is connected to one of the departing players. A piece of advice for parents and friends who want to come onto a message board and talk trash: get a screen name months after your player joins, and not around any specific events. Otherwise everyone is going to see through you like a window pane on the floor of a boat. Thank you for your comments and I will try to take them to heart. You have always been a fair and unbiased voice on this board. I think why it looks like many of us are taking sides is it is the University also being attacked. At least that's how it appears to me? We have pride in our UW just like you have pride in yours. Even when we have friendly bantor with you about upcoming games we both know when GB and UWM play most games are decided by a few points. Here's hoping for future games that we can continue to kid each other about. I would love to see UWM and UWGB 1 and 2 in the league for many years. We may disagree on who is 1 but we still want the best for both. I think it also rubs people wrong when someone goes to the media instead of the School. Also like Robbie said the first post from Bigv is about another player transfering RUMOR. We've all heard alot of rumors but when the investigation is over we'll have facts. The faster it's finished the better. Just make it accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 9:38:20 GMT -6
I too believe that the best for all involved is to get the facts on the table so we know what happened.
I was just sharing information that I heard, that is it. Have I been right or wrong? I think both.
I also felt that some members where being critical of the players with out the facts and yes maybe I was pointing a finger at Wardle too soon....I apologize if I have rubbed some of the members the wrong way.
I will stay out until the facts have come out or until the university makes a decision.
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Post by coonyp on Apr 17, 2013 9:38:27 GMT -6
As an outsider, I can only observe that with Alec Brown and Kiefer Sykes together with the supporting cast, someone helped put together a very talented team. But if ever a team has underachieved, this would be a prime example over the past two years. So with or without the allegations of player abuse, it is clear something has been really wrong. As I suggested to you folks two years ago, I don't think Wardle really paid his dues prior to getting this position and the results have reflected that.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 17, 2013 9:57:46 GMT -6
As an outsider, I can only observe that with Alec Brown and Kiefer Sykes together with the supporting cast, someone helped put together a very talented team. But if ever a team has underachieved, this would be a prime example over the past two years. So with or without the allegations of player abuse, it is clear something has been really wrong. As I suggested to you folks two years ago, I don't think Wardle really paid his dues prior to getting this position and the results have reflected that. No doubt it's been on the job training. With out prior head coaching experience he's had a lot to learn. He's made some good decisions and some mistakes. He and his asst.'s strengh is recruiting. That being said he was the best candidate when GB was looking for a head coach. If all works out well I hope he has many years at GB. The upside is tremendous and GB is not most head coaches 1st choice. Pay is low and not the biggest BB market. So BW with his local ties was a great find and we new we would have growing problems.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 23, 2013 19:36:07 GMT -6
Nothing new on this front, but the Phoenix/Packer Steak fry was tonight. When BW was called up to talk he got a standing ovation that lasted even when he tried to talk. The guests was very much behind him. Hopefully it will be resolved soon so the truth will be known. More and more I'm hearing it was all about disciplining and holding the players accountable for their actions? BW is an intense coach and expects players to play at a high level. I'm sure he does yell I would too, sometimes it's just to be heard over the noise sometimes it's to get someones attention. Channel 2's sportscaster said he was there and it sure sounded like BW was coming back. I'm sure it was just wishful thinking on his part until we get the report back. www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20130423/GPG020101/304230435/UWGB-supporters-back-Wardle-fundraiser
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Post by fansincebuss on Apr 29, 2013 21:10:19 GMT -6
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Post by phearthephoenix on Apr 29, 2013 21:13:48 GMT -6
Oh man that doesn't sound good.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 29, 2013 21:42:01 GMT -6
It doesn't sound good at all......But I have a few questions on this:
1. If Bross had diarrhea during one of the incidents that was made public, where was the training /medical staff? He should not have been practicing. 2. How can a coach 'ban' a student athlete from taking a certain major or a certain class? I would hope that the academic advisor regarding that incident was interviewed by Joseph Nicks. 3. Does Joseph Nicks have subpoena power in this investigation; If not, can Chancellor Harden compel a potential witness to an incident answer questions asked by Nicks? Is there anyone in the program that can corroborate the allegations made by Bross? 4. I would like to hear from BW on his side of the story.....But these allegations that have been made public make him look even worse; nowhere near the level of Mike Rice, but this does not look good. 5. I would like to see what the specific allegations were surrounding Cougs, but with his diagnosed clinical depression, this would be a LOT trickier due to health information privacy laws.
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