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Post by shooting the J on Apr 29, 2013 21:49:48 GMT -6
These preseason boot camps coaches run all over the country are tough, they are true to the name. Bross wasn't the first player to have the crap ran out of him, and he won't be the last.
If Wardle did use a homophobic slur, he will be reprimanded for that as he should. That's out of bounds in today's world, as it should be.
Coach joking to a college age kid that he should get laid will be taken out of context, it's obvious we're not dealing with a typical college kid. Good for Bross for his beliefs, but learn to take a joke too.
Players have the option of quitting. If a coaches tactics are too extreme, his best players will transfer away, causing losses that get coaches fired. Firing a coach for holding a tough boot camp and yelling a lot will only result in hiring another coach who will hold a tough boot camp and yell a lot.
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Post by Nix on Apr 29, 2013 23:26:31 GMT -6
I'm quite confused. The boot camp mentioned is always 2 or 3 weeks before the full season starts. Bross was not under scholarship, no financial help from the school. Why did he stay there?
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Post by gbnix11 on Apr 30, 2013 3:30:58 GMT -6
I really hope that the University doesn't panic and fire Wardle just to make the public happy. I don't buy all those accusations, some seems like peperspective rather than reality. I think if they end up getting rid of Wardle there could be some serious damage done to the rebuilding process that he started and we could see some of the top players transfer. Hoping that this doesnt turn out that way!
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 30, 2013 8:32:10 GMT -6
I do not blame Demovsky for writing the story. He's doing his job. As a retired reporter I always knew people always talked to me for a reason. I always asked myself what their motivation was.
This could be irreparable damage to Wardle's career -- fair or not. The Bross Family could have gone public anytime. I question why now since the university made a commitment to an independent investigation and the findings of that investigation are still pending. Clearly the kid needs to be protected but at the same time due process should be honored. That is not happening.
I think we all should trust the process but that is now impossible and that is sad for everyone. The cloud will not go away. Is there a need to rush to judgement and not trust an independent professional investigator?
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 30, 2013 8:57:03 GMT -6
I do not blame Demovsky for writing the story. He's doing his job. As a retired reporter I always knew people always talked to me for a reason. I always asked myself what their motivation was. This could be irreparable damage to Wardle's career -- fair or not. The Bross Family could have gone public anytime. I question why now since the university made a commitment to an independent investigation and the findings of that investigation are still pending. Clearly the kid needs to be protected but at the same time due process should be honored. That is not happening. I think we all should trust the process but that is now impossible and that is sad for everyone. The cloud will not go away. Is there a need to rush to judgement and not trust an independent professional investigator? That's my thought especially since everyone with the school has a gag order not to say anything. All we're hearing is one side? Now they're trying it in the Press and they don't seem to want to wait for any findings! Kind of makes me think they don't have much and are trying to drum up support?
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Post by wiscosports on Apr 30, 2013 10:24:44 GMT -6
I've waited a while to finally join but just figured I'd join and voice my opinion.
The allegations aren't horrible like at Rutgers but still a little alarming and disturbing. Chances are they are more than likely true because someone wouldn't go to the public and admit that they soiled there pants.
There have been double digit transfers in just three years. That shows something is going on weird. Either he's lying to players about their roles coming in or not honest about his coaching style. For everyone who says all the players that are leaving aren't talented, that's the dumbest excuse I've heard. This isn't peewee basketball where everyone needs to get picked. All your recruits are hand selected by you to fit your style, therefore transfer numbers shouldn't be that high.
I'll give him this Wardle may have been dealt a bad hand. But I don't get why everyone is so quick to defend him. Let the case work its way out. I believe Wardle is an excellent recruiter and a below average coaching. He hasn't really won consistently. He's an assistant that wasn't quite ready to make the jump to a head coach. But i'll be interested to see what happens in the coming weeks. I'm surprised it lasted this long. The longer they wait the more tempted players with complaints will be to come out. Personally i give Cerroni credit for not saying anything. His situation had to be pretty bad to quit in season while he was getting minutes. Don't forget he was also a coaches son so he had to be a pretty tough kid.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 30, 2013 10:42:32 GMT -6
I've waited a while to finally join but just figured I'd join and voice my opinion. The allegations aren't horrible like at Rutgers but still a little alarming and disturbing. Chances are they are more than likely true because someone wouldn't go to the public and admit that they soiled there pants. There have been double digit transfers in just three years. That shows something is going on weird. Either he's lying to players about their roles coming in or not honest about his coaching style. For everyone who says all the players that are leaving aren't talented, that's the dumbest excuse I've heard. This isn't peewee basketball where everyone needs to get picked. All your recruits are hand selected by you to fit your style, therefore transfer numbers shouldn't be that high. I'll give him this Wardle may have been dealt a bad hand. But I don't get why everyone is so quick to defend him. Let the case work its way out. I believe Wardle is an excellent recruiter and a below average coaching. He hasn't really won consistently. He's an assistant that wasn't quite ready to make the jump to a head coach. But i'll be interested to see what happens in the coming weeks. I'm surprised it lasted this long. The longer they wait the more tempted players with complaints will be to come out. Personally i give Cerroni credit for not saying anything. His situation had to be pretty bad to quit in season while he was getting minutes. Don't forget he was also a coaches son so he had to be a pretty tough kid. I high transfer rate doesn't signal anything. Wright State coach Billy Donlon had 6 players transfer out after last season. He followed that by winning HL coach of the year. Cerroni wasn't getting minutes when he quit. The team finally started to play to its expected level after his role was eliminated, then he quit. He doesn't deserve credit for anything but being a quitter. The longer we wait, the more players have come out vocally to support their coach, as Alec Brown and Kiefer Sykes have done today. At this point, I think you could actually question Wardles recruiting somewhat. His recruitment of a known character risk has backfired, and him and his mother have been the driving force against Coach Wardle.
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Post by wiscosports on Apr 30, 2013 11:00:48 GMT -6
Wardle has been able to bring talent to the program without a doubt, the potential of the team is exciting. I just don't know if he is that efficient of a coach because he still doesn't even have a winning record as a coach. Would be frustrating though if he were to get fired, have talent leave, and rebuild again.
Kiefer Sykes also saying don't' hide behind your parents was also a display of immaturity and poor leadership. You don't throw your fellow players under the bus publicly no matter the situation. Your a team and you should act as one. Brown has been much more professional and let the process play out.
For you saying "Cerroni doesn't deserve anything he's a quitter" is pretty funny. Unless your inside the program and no anything about the situation how do you have a right to judge him? Stefan and Muhammad were not that efficient either.
You don't think there's any relation to an extremely high transfer rate and something dysfunctional going on? I guess we all can have opinions....
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Post by truth on Apr 30, 2013 11:08:22 GMT -6
TheTulsaWarrior, you make some good pointsabout the motivation of Bross going to the press now after being quiet for so long.
I think the article said he recently talked to the investigator. Could it be that he and his family don't trust the process now. Maybe the investigator asked tough questions and really tried to shake his story so they doubt the process will back up their accusations and think the only way they will get justice is with one last big public slap at Wardle. Its possible. Or maybe he just got sick of saying no to daily interview requestst and finally said yes.
There were just so many different issues in the article (the s--t story, the sex with the girlfriend, the verbal stuff, what classes he could take) that it really does a number on Wardle. On the other hand, I'm sure Wardle told the investigator that a lot of it completely untrue and the rest is just misinterpretation by the player. It would be nice if there is a clean clear resolution, but I wonder if they will ever be able to establish what precisely was said or done.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 30, 2013 11:49:54 GMT -6
Going public prior to the findings of the independent investigator's report raises questions about the Bross Family goals in all this. I'm surprised their attorney allowed this to happen. Again -- I don't blame the reporter for doing the story but as a retired journalist I always asked myself why a source was talking to me? What did they hope to gain?
There are three sets of attorneys in all this -- the university's, the Bross Family's and Wardle's. What a cluster with no winners.
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Post by markus31x on Apr 30, 2013 11:57:00 GMT -6
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Post by Fanforever on Apr 30, 2013 12:05:04 GMT -6
Wiscosports you are stating the Sykes was displaying poor leadership and immaturity that I completely disagree with. Bross should have had a meeting with the Coaches, if that did not work the AD, Chancellor, etc.. Not run to his parents after the season crying. Kids these days are way too soft and need to learn to deal with difficult situations on their own. Keifer has learned to be a man and thought Bross should have manned up also. So I congratulate him on stating his opinion.
As far as the Bross family going public I also question their motive. What are they looking to gain. Also, he states Wardle would not give him his release to transfer. Correct me if I am wrong but I did not think a walk on needed a release to go to a dIII school which he still will not play at.
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Post by Fanforever on Apr 30, 2013 12:07:58 GMT -6
I forgot to mention Cougill's mother and the items she brought up. Her issues are really not worth mentioning other than she was on a witch hunt supporting her son that has had cheating and/or grades issues at two schools. Wardle should have booted him when he was suspended.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 30, 2013 14:04:18 GMT -6
Thank you very much for the post. I listened to both and found them very enlightening. I suggest everyone listen to them. AB said he never saw or heard anything described in the article? KS Said he was there when the soiling incident happened and coach asked Ryan if he wanted to stop. KS also says he encouraged him to continue and it was Ryan's decision to go on. Also he said BW called a meeting and told everyone not to make light of the incident (no kidding him) and not to tell anyone so they wouldn't embarrass him. He also said coach yelled at them that they played like girls at a bad practice but didn't direct it at any person. I take that to mean he chewed out the whole team? Also somewhere in the radio show I heard the Coogs incident was 2/2012, so it was over 14 months ago? Again I suggest you listen to the players still with the program. This of course is just my opinion and that way you can form yours. I make no bones I'm not a Rob D Phoenix fan. I think he does a great job on the Packers but has little interest with the Phoenix games. I too would like to know how many players he contacted to verify Ryan's stories? If it was zero then I don't think it was good timing on the journalism. If it was 3 or more then he did his job if nobody would comment. Also some of the transfers have made comments and I heard Greg Lesage made some positive ones today and he was only in the program with BW 1-2 years. Greg was a senior when AB came into the program.
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Post by barnzoboy on Apr 30, 2013 15:19:38 GMT -6
I just happened to see this because it was on Yahoo.com - the MAIN PAGE!!!! sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/accusations-against-brian-wardle-true-then-job-jeopardy-172703736.htmlI'm sorry, but at this point, do you realize the public outcry that will occur if Wardle is not fired? Everyone on this board is a UWGB fan and these reports/transfers, etc. kind of caught me off-guard as well. Never would I have thought there would be an issue with Wardle. He looks clean-cut and behaves well on the bench at games, for what it's worth. But honestly if you are the AD, how do you possibly give the coach a vote of confidence and try to put this behind you as a program? If the investigation concludes that Wardle has done nothing wrong, do you think that's going to be on the front page of Yahoo?? I know there's a reference to Dick Bennett being tough, etc. But times are different now (whether we like it or not).
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