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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 30, 2013 17:12:04 GMT -6
I just happened to see this because it was on Yahoo.com - the MAIN PAGE!!!! sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/accusations-against-brian-wardle-true-then-job-jeopardy-172703736.htmlI'm sorry, but at this point, do you realize the public outcry that will occur if Wardle is not fired? Everyone on this board is a UWGB fan and these reports/transfers, etc. kind of caught me off-guard as well. Never would I have thought there would be an issue with Wardle. He looks clean-cut and behaves well on the bench at games, for what it's worth. But honestly if you are the AD, how do you possibly give the coach a vote of confidence and try to put this behind you as a program? If the investigation concludes that Wardle has done nothing wrong, do you think that's going to be on the front page of Yahoo?? I know there's a reference to Dick Bennett being tough, etc. But times are different now (whether we like it or not). I will type my take on the allegations in a separate post but this article on yahoo is a great example of the media taking this over the top. Two items. In the interview Bross said Wardle called him a "f___*" and yahoo said he "showered a player in homophobic slurs. Once is too much but hardly showering him. Bross said Wardle called him a "PoS" once a week for a few months. Yahoo wrote that he did it for the rest of the season. I may be splitting hairs but it becomes a lot easier to rally a mob when the media exaggerates what was actually said. It is little details like this that make the reporting of this on the national level bothersome.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 30, 2013 17:35:23 GMT -6
As for the allegations I am torn. I find some of them to be nothing much of anything and some to be grounds for punishment or even dismissal.
The general yelling and swearing comes with the territory in sports, not my style but I won't make a fuss. The pushing him to run, having him soil his pants and then having him walk in the Kress doesn't actually bother me. I am sure he could have stopped, Ryan choose to run. Plus I find it hard to believe he walked in the door past 20 people going to the men's locker room. The telling him to get a girl doesn't really bother me other than he made it kind of creepy by finding a girls name that Ryan liked. For this portion I would say it is a lot of kid who comes from a good family not liking verbal tough love. I guess he was used to the softer way that JP Tokoto's mom coached Men. Falls basketball (that is kind of funny if you know anything about that team!!!).
The two items that do concern me a lot are the alleged homophobic slur and the class schedule. Some things are over the edge and that type of name calling is. Look at how big of deal the Jason Collins situation is and then you can see why that type of name calling shouldn't be used ever to a player. The restricting of class schedules is mind blowing to me. These guys are there to get an education and be set up for the future. At the level Ryan Bross is at and that GB is at, the academics should never be lost. If these two items turn out to be true there needs to be serious punishment.
Sykes seemed to indicate that Bross was taking this out of context and that Wardle was pushing him but never crossed the line. Brown seemed to think that Bross was making some of this up. It is hard to say since nobody else has come forward.
I think Rob D. is right at the edge of the line if not crossing it. He claims he sat on the information for months and that the allegations are now news because it was brought to Harden's attention. With no witness to verify I disagree. If I wrote the the GBPG sports editor that I think Rob D. is a terrible writer, an egomaniac or has a drinking problem is that news by this definition? By the way I don't think any of those are true but they are allegations border on slander without a witness. Mrs. Bross didn't want this in the media. Now they do, what changed? What is the angle? Plus Rob D. hasn't really been a Wardle guy, he seems quick to try to get the story out and to get his name on it. The whole thing just stinks.
The part that kills me as a fan is the reason why Bross claims to have come forward. He wants to set a better environment for GB hoops. Well you know what this has done? For life long fans like myself it has put the program in a bad spot. It makes it harder for GB to get the guys, the support or the positive attention they need to actually have some on court success. So a guy who would have been little more than a footnote in the media guide is running the program through the mud for what?
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 30, 2013 18:20:16 GMT -6
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 30, 2013 19:09:41 GMT -6
Thank you Robbiedee. When a train gets rolling it's hard to stop. This is taking way to long.
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 1, 2013 10:42:24 GMT -6
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Post by Nix on May 1, 2013 11:36:18 GMT -6
This is just getting sickening. It needs to be over with. The investigators decision will come down to the reasons why Jarvis, Su, and Kam all transferred out, guaranteed.
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Post by gbnix11 on May 1, 2013 11:38:57 GMT -6
I love how 3 of the 4 Rob D articles about the investigation have been negative. He claims no bias tho. Even when there is a good side to it he buries it under the negative headline like with the recent story about Cougill. He hides Alec and Kiefers interviews within that negative headline. Or when Alec decided to stay that was buried under the Greg Mays situation. He can claim his innocence all he wants, but people aren't stupid.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 1, 2013 12:08:47 GMT -6
Rob doesn't write the headlines. If you want take exception to the content of the story but blame someone else for the headline.
Yesterday it looked like the Bross Family decided to gear up a negative PR campaign. Brown and Sykes came out to try to balance things out. After that Coug responded to try and turn the tide. Who do you believe? Wardle is under a gag order so he can't take part the public discussion. I'm sure there are a bunch of attorneys on all sides waiting for someone to make a public mistake that will be actionable. Maybe it's happened already.
With all this stuff out on the Internet Wardle's career is taking a serious hit. Bross and Coug may have trouble during future job interviews -- fair or unfair. Everyone is losing in this sad game.
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Post by barnzoboy on May 1, 2013 13:17:24 GMT -6
This case just goes to show that in this day and age, you need to conduct yourself (words, actions, etc.) at all times as if the entire world is watching and as if your words & behavior are being broadcast to the world.
As an alumnus, fan and donor, I am angry that this has transpired. Whether you think Wardle did anything wrong or not is really irrelevant at this point - this thing has become a shameful, humiliating episode. When you hire a coach, there's got to be an expectation that there will be no way this fiasco occurs, meaning you don't even get close to there being any communications or questionable behavior, misunderstandings, etc. that might have an even REMOTE chance to cause this most embarrassing PR to take place.
I apologize for the following dis-similar analogy, but when a Pastor or school teacher get accused of soliciting prostitution they're usually terminated or forced to resign, regardless of official outcome of the case as to their legal innocence. This is one of those situations where in my opinion you have no choice but to throw out the baby with the bathwater. If I'm Wardle's boss, he's gone. Granted this sucks, but if we think the publicity is bad now, I think it's nothing compared to the backlash that will be laid upon the school if he is retained. Read some of the comments below the Yahoo article and you will see what I mean.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 1, 2013 13:33:27 GMT -6
If the Chancellor were to fire Wardle without established cause the coach could seek millions in damages, from the university and those who accused him of wrong doing. Now the two players in question could do the same against Wardle and the university. It may be a higher hill to climb for the players because they would have to prove lose of income, medical expenses or mental abuse. It would be easier for Wardle to prove a financial impact to his career. I predict the only winners will be attorneys getting paid for their services.
FYI, the battle for public opinion is raging on all sides.
Steve Novak @stevenovak20 15h -- "As a former player of Brian Wardle I know his level of class, decency & professionalism exceeds the false allegations being reported."
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Post by hoops on May 1, 2013 14:07:20 GMT -6
Win lose or draw, there will be a cloud over this program as long as the current staff and administration are in place. For the most part, this program has always competed with one hand tied behind its back. Now, the other one may be joining it. I only see two options when the report comes out, and neither are real positive.
Which brings up the next question: How accountable is the administration in this event?
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 1, 2013 14:23:17 GMT -6
This case just goes to show that in this day and age, you need to conduct yourself (words, actions, etc.) at all times as if the entire world is watching and as if your words & behavior are being broadcast to the world. As an alumnus, fan and donor, I am angry that this has transpired. Whether you think Wardle did anything wrong or not is really irrelevant at this point - this thing has become a shameful, humiliating episode. When you hire a coach, there's got to be an expectation that there will be no way this fiasco occurs, meaning you don't even get close to there being any communications or questionable behavior, misunderstandings, etc. that might have an even REMOTE chance to cause this most embarrassing PR to take place. I apologize for the following dis-similar analogy, but when a Pastor or school teacher get accused of soliciting prostitution they're usually terminated or forced to resign, regardless of official outcome of the case as to their legal innocence. This is one of those situations where in my opinion you have no choice but to throw out the baby with the bathwater. If I'm Wardle's boss, he's gone. Granted this sucks, but if we think the publicity is bad now, I think it's nothing compared to the backlash that will be laid upon the school if he is retained. Read some of the comments below the Yahoo article and you will see what I mean. I'll agree with you on how frustrating this is and it's getting to be a no win situation. I think BW's 2 biggest mistakes were bring in Bross as a practice player for AB. 2 not kicking Coogs off the team after so many rules and school infractions. I think when a player goes to 3 different colleges in 3 years in most case they're trouble and that's the reason for 3 schools in 3 years!
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Post by hoops on May 1, 2013 14:51:39 GMT -6
All of the allegations are appaling, but if any University employee derails a student of expediting or achieving their academic pursuits, all bets are off. One would think that issue may be the easiest one to ferret out. At the end of the day it may be the most severe charge in the eyes of the educators/Chancellor.
I have spent a lot of time on the phone, reading, mentally judging and all I can come up with is: Why? How did we get here? What was done from November thru March?
There will be no winners in this one.
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Post by can opener man on May 1, 2013 15:29:37 GMT -6
one thing that confuses me about cougills mom is. if she is going to release info on 2 or 3 of the reasons wardel said her son was a distraction, why doesnt she release all 20 ? dont pik and chose which ones to release, release all of them or none of them. not just the ones that favor ur case.
it seems like demovsky went back on his article from yesterday and attempted to show both sides of the story, i applaud him for that. but the only new information he brought to the table was cougil, i challenge him to find out all of the distractions cougil was accused of, instead of just reporting some of them. just reporting 3 of the 20 or so, distrtactions, allows the story to be written out of context.
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Post by wannabeaphan on May 1, 2013 15:57:20 GMT -6
I stated in this forum a couple of months ago that I was a DI athlete. Reading this the comments on this forum make it clear to me that very few of those that post were. If you think that a player, scholarship, walk on, redshirt, whatever, can "choose not to run" you are crazy. You would be disciplined. A coach-player relationship at this level is like an employer-employee relationship. You wonder why only past players are commenting? The current players are all afraid they will lose there job if they say somethng. Sykes and Brown need to stay on Wardles good side, so of course they are defending him. Both probably want to play in the NBA and need Wardle to help them get there. Both are probably treated well by Wardle - it's a rare coach who treats all players the same.Most of you say you are fans of the team yet I am reading alot of name-calling of the players, the very people who put on the show that we all love to watch. Soft? Wimps? P**sy's? There is NO way that any of these guys got to the DI level by being a baby or soft. This is big business, may be not so much at GB as at some other shcools, but big business just the same. Coaches jobs are on the line all the time and they push players to levels that are inhumane at times. Not ok. But it happens all the time. I am also amazed that the fans on this site are so quick to question what a young man has to say (Bross, cougill) but without question and blindly support Wardle? Or any of the adults in this circus. Its pretty obvious that Bross and Cougil were ready to talk once the season was over and they knew they would never be under Wardles control again- should be obvious to those that question why now? why not months ago? Put yourself in there shoes. If you walk away, quit, talk back you could be off the team. In Cougills case, maybe your out of school too because your scholarship is gone. One more thing- for those that think we will ever find out what the investigator found out, think again. University Employment lawyers will be all over this and will make sure that the university never reveals anything about Wardle.
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