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Post by shooting the J on Apr 12, 2013 6:10:46 GMT -6
I think UWGB has handled this extremely poorly. Why was this released to the media? Extremely unfair to everyone involved.
I hope there ample video evidence that can be reviewed, then justice can be served, for whoever that may be. Only then can a coach be either seriously reprimanded or completely exonerated.
Bross had a long lingering illness around mid-season. Did coaches mistake his lethargic-ness for laziness and ride him extra hard? Or is this something serious?
My guess after this is done, this and many other universities set guidelines on acceptable coaching tactics. Otherwise, it's difficult to call anything that's non-physical anything but coaching.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 12, 2013 6:59:49 GMT -6
This is a function of the 'everyone gets a trophy' and the helicopter parents generation......If someone's kid is not getting all of the adoration of the coach or getting some kind of reward for doing routine work, and if there is more screaming than they would care for, then there is something wrong.....without looking in the mirror themselves standing next to their son/daughter.
To paraphrase former Colorado football coach Dan Hawkins..."This is Division 1 basketball!! This is the Horizon League!! .....Go play intramurals brother....."
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Post by wannabeaphan on Apr 12, 2013 7:04:28 GMT -6
I find it sad that the majority of comments on this thread are focusing on whether or not Brouse is a good player. This is about the actions, or inactions, we don't know the facts, of Brian Wardle. The university would not open an investigation over a disgruntled player. To think this is about playing time, some yelling at a player or players is in my opinion naive. I'd like to see what the facts are, if we ever know them. There are lots of laws that protect employee information from becoming public, and from student information being released. The university is conducting an investigation, but the results might be that we never find out the details. We live in a litigious society and everyone is looking out for themselves, their kid, and I hope the players as a whole. Irregardless of what happened, a 18 or 19 year old kid (or his parents) has bravely come forth to tell his story that in some way shape or form he has been mistreated. I would caution jumping to conclusions, but the university would not risk this type of publicity and scrutiny over something like yelling at a player - they would, hopefully, have the AD work with the coach to improve his skills as a coach. An investigation suggests something more than "coaches getting in player's faces".
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 12, 2013 7:07:14 GMT -6
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Post by barnzoboy on Apr 12, 2013 7:36:08 GMT -6
I too wonder if UWGB was obligated to make this investigation known to the media/public? There's no good that comes of this now, regardless of a "positive" outcome of the investigation. One other comment I'd make after reading the various threads that refer to the players leaving as being non-essential or not worthy of D1, looking lost on the court, etc. - that being then WHY WERE THEY BROUGHT IN? Recruiting can't be a throw a bunch of players on the roster and hope they blossom, can it? If Nick Arenz was not a D1 player, then he should not have been signed. Same thing with anyone else whose departure is considered harmless. We should not be sitting here saying that this guy or that guy was not a good fit for the system, that should be determined before they take one step onto campus.
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Post by FunDmentals on Apr 12, 2013 7:57:44 GMT -6
I do question the validity of anything mommy and daddy have to do for a grown man. I know I would have told them it's my business and I'll take care of it. I guess this comes with maturity, I wish if Ryan felt this way why didn't he be a man and write the letter? To many parents think jr. is the best player and don't like the truth. I work at a university and literally every day I have to deal with a parent calling to complain about something their son or daughter could have easily handled. Great example, yesterday a mother called and said, "If my son doesn't get {insert student's request}, my husband and I are going to start looking for a new college for him." It's that type of insane line of thinking, and unwillingness to allow their children to do anything for themselves that allows this BS to occur. Can't wait for this loser to graduate from college and get a real job. "Mommy my boss yelled at me because I was late for work."
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Post by gbphanatic on Apr 12, 2013 13:54:59 GMT -6
Sounds like a classic case of a kid who just couldn't handle criticism. Moving into the college game is a huge step from high school. In high school you can get away with having "off days." The college game is totally different, whether on scholarship or not you are expected to show up every day and bust it for an entire practice. If you fail to do so of course coaches are going to blow up and become very irritated. College coaches live under constant pressure to win and put a quality team on the floor, it's ridiculous accusations like this that make it very tough to be successful. Every coach in the nation has to be tough on players and occasionally will say things out of frustration that for a soft player would be hurtful. However, if a coach is always on you that means they know you have potential and want to see you get better, they believe you can contribute. If they stop yelling and getting on you then they have given up on you. To me this kid just couldn't handle D1 and instead of stepping away and leaving quietly, just like he came, he wants to point fingers as to why he couldn't "make it." It's not like he's transferring to someone giving him a scholarship, he's going to a non-existint D3 program in Concordia. Why wouldn't he at least try the WIAC out?
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 12, 2013 15:15:57 GMT -6
I just throwing something out here. Both Bigv anf Bigv2 signed up on the board in the last 10 days or less. Both started talking about problems with BW and or GB's program on 4/9 the day the letter from Bross's parents was received. Also Bigv is the same age as Al Bross from Menominee Falls. It may all be a coincidence? It's not a common name. Read both this thread and Sultans thread to get the whole picture. It seems they both new alot more than everyone else about a investigation coming before it broke on 4/11. I like facts but mysteries are also interesting.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 12, 2013 15:49:30 GMT -6
I just throwing something out here. Both Bigv anf Bigv2 signed up on the board in the last 10 days or less. Both started talking about problems with BW and or GB's program on 4/9 the day the letter from Bross's parents was received. Also Bigv is the same age as Al Bross from Menominee Falls. It may all be a coincidence? It's not a common name. Read both this thread and Sultans thread to get the whole picture. It seems they both new alot more than everyone else about a investigation coming before it broke on 4/11. I like facts but mysteries are also interesting. It is funny that you posted this. I thought about this after "j" asked why this was in the media. Bigv2 wrote "I have heard there are some issues with how they have handled player issues (Cam Ceronni situation is not the only one). It does not sound good........Adminstrators have been notified along with the press." Whoever Bigv/2 is they certainly had some inside information that only a team member/family member/close friend would have. They also seemed to indicate the press was notified at the same time as the university but not necesarily by the university. It does make me feel like this is a bit of a witch hunt. Edit: My comment about the witch hunt isn't pointed to any person posting inside info on this board, rather the thought that the Bross family may have leaked info to draw attention to the situation.
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Post by can opener man on Apr 12, 2013 16:30:41 GMT -6
bigv2
on april 9th (tuesday) 7:19pm said :
Anyone hear that Cole is leaving also? Man this isn't good...Sounds like a mutiny to me. With all of the bad Rutgers stuff, I hope the AD isn't burying his head in the sand.
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it has been reported that the school was notified the night of april 9th. How did u get the news so fast ? are u an insider?
did u know as a fact cole was leaving too
or did u try starting a rumor to get a reaction ?
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then
april 9th 10:03 pm bigv says:
not 100% sure cole is leaving, just a rumor heard
at the end he says --
i apologize, i am frustrated with what is going on.
even in there he makes a sarcastic remark about the coaches choices as if he could do better..
could bigv and bigv2, be the same person or out of the same household ?
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 12, 2013 20:28:54 GMT -6
Can bigv and bigv2 be blocked from this board??
Instead of discussing/debating UWGB basketball and what the offseason/recruiting season may hold like the rest of us, bigv/bigv2 is fishing for information and stirring the pot regarding the BW 'investigation'.
If bigv/bigv2 is connected with the Bross family, then this is helicopter parents gone bad. This crap will not fly in the real world once their son graduates from college.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 12, 2013 21:06:20 GMT -6
It sure looks like someone has an agenda. The new board members, the timing, the message board posts and twitters cast creditability issues. The best source for everyone is the independent review. It will cost the school some money but it will be worth it.
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Post by fansincebuss on Apr 14, 2013 19:27:11 GMT -6
Perspective from the Milwaukee Journal: www.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/202609801.htmlComments are interesting. It sounds as though one of their commentators claims to have inside knowledge as well. Even claiming Wardle had all his practice tapes erased. I hope Wardle is quickly found to be operating within acceptable practice so that recruiting is not affected.
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Post by fansincebuss on Apr 14, 2013 19:38:10 GMT -6
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 15, 2013 7:41:44 GMT -6
I don't really go on Twitter that often but several of the remaining players had the same tweet on their page. Something to the effect of a grown man needing his parents to solve his problems.
I have nothing to offer other than speculation but I get the sense from the guys who are still part of the team that they don't think Wardle was too far out of line.
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