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Post by FunDmentals on May 7, 2013 9:59:33 GMT -6
The hilarious part about all this is he's doing his job AMAZING and you guys are getting angry with it. I'm not saying the news is good, but his entire job is to sell papers and get people talking. I would say he's doing a pretty good job at that. He also has a boss just like anyone of us, and you think he isn't telling him to get the most interesting side story? Just make money it's what any business is about. You should be happy too. UWGB gets little to no coverage in any media outlets because the town is dominated by packer coverage. Rob is the one person who takes his time to write any stories about the program. So for everyone complaining saying he's doing a horrible job, you're wrong. He's doing a great job. After all you have read every single one of his stories and post it to this board immediately after. You're right in many aspects. The problem is reporting on an issue that you know the other party can't respond to, all the while slanting the story, is completely unethical. It seems pretty apparent at this point that Wardle's job is safe (otherwise why would any recruit sign at this point?). The real intrigue will come from how Rob replies to that story. Will he continue his whiny little rants?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 7, 2013 12:25:46 GMT -6
The hilarious part about all this is he's doing his job AMAZING and you guys are getting angry with it. I'm not saying the news is good, but his entire job is to sell papers and get people talking. I would say he's doing a pretty good job at that. He also has a boss just like anyone of us, and you think he isn't telling him to get the most interesting side story? Just make money it's what any business is about. You should be happy too. UWGB gets little to no coverage in any media outlets because the town is dominated by packer coverage. Rob is the one person who takes his time to write any stories about the program. So for everyone complaining saying he's doing a horrible job, you're wrong. He's doing a great job. After all you have read every single one of his stories and post it to this board immediately after. I normally wouldn't have a problem with a company trying to make a buck. If this were a tabloid I would expect it. I take issue here because Rob has stated over and over that he "doesn't have a horse in this race." He has gone out of his way to say that he and the GBPG are not doing anything below board and not doing anything to draw attention to their paper. He believes the news itself is what is drawing attention to the paper but not how he presents it. He has come across from the view point that the role of the media is not to create the news but to report the news. I am not sure that the GBPG hasn't crossed that line. If it was done on purpose to get readers or on accident by pushing far to prove they are in the right I don't know. I do know that the way it has been reported has been damaging. I do know that the reporting has drawn a lot of attention to the team but not the good kind. I don't think in this case any publicity is good publicity. As for the posters on this board they haven't created many if any new readers. Most people who post here were already reading the Phoenix news in the paper. All of this is going to play out soon enough with the actual results of the investigation. So what did writing in this style accomplish? It accomplished dragging the program through the mud to get a short term spike in readers. I don't think that is being a good steward of the news and a good member of the local community.
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Post by gbnix11 on May 7, 2013 12:51:06 GMT -6
To me it is pretty clear that Rob doesn't want to cover UWGB. On Twitter he's made comments to his Packers followers about how the basketball season is almost over and stuff like that. And I've already pointed out the negative writing slant. It wouldn't surprise me if someone else is covering Phoenix games next year after all this is said and done. I guarantee that Wardle won't be lining up to give Rob an interview or anything like that. Just makes more sense to give a younger reporter the job and let Rob worry about his precious Packers.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 7, 2013 13:53:23 GMT -6
To me it is pretty clear that Rob doesn't want to cover UWGB. On Twitter he's made comments to his Packers followers about how the basketball season is almost over and stuff like that. And I've already pointed out the negative writing slant. It wouldn't surprise me if someone else is covering Phoenix games next year after all this is said and done. I guarantee that Wardle won't be lining up to give Rob an interview or anything like that. Just makes more sense to give a younger reporter the job and let Rob worry about his precious Packers. I could'nt have said it any better. I hoping you get a job at the PG lol. I too hope a young reporter who is excited about getting his 1st big assignment takes over.
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Post by fredflinstone on May 7, 2013 14:48:02 GMT -6
Rob needs to not be the Phoenix writer anymore. He clearly hates doing it and doesn't make bones about this. He does a pretty poor job with stories that are worse then those of which are on the green bay phoenix site itself.
More importantly, his coverage of this story has been awful. Two players come out to support coach Wardle and he takes their quotes and lumps them in with Cougill's in an article titled along the lines of Cougill verify's Bross comments. Every positive quote ever to come out; Bollant, Brown, Sykes he had to explain the positive quote by qualifying it with something, whereas the negatives he just ran as if they are fact. Wardle signing a player during investigation is a GIANT story, yet he wrote very little on it, and painted it in a negative light based on the investigation. He dedicates an entire story to whether GB can recruit or not, then sign a fairly contested player, and he makes that sound like it's insignificant. Let's not forget that Rob would have had GB taking Cody Wichman over Turner, Kenny, or Tevin all of which are substantially better players.
Do I think he crossed any legal lines? absolutely not. Do I think he could justify his actions? absolutely
Clearly Rob is like that alcoholic who can't admit he has a problem. Rob, people in your own community don't immediately attack you if your doing things the write way. The problem for Rob is Green Bay is a small enough town that you can't screw people, which I think most would say is what you did with Coach Wardle, not just now, but consistently over the past three years. If your doing your ethical responsibility as a writer it would be much wiser to qualify comments made by a nieve kid in Brennan Cougill then it would a professional coach in Matt Bollant.
I really hope he looks in the mirror and at the end of the days ask whether he did right by people with his coverage of this story. If he can say yes, he has bigger issues then manipulating a story to sell papers and cast people he doesn't like in negative light.
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Post by PantherU on May 7, 2013 14:58:18 GMT -6
You guys do realize that most of the conference members pray for their local paper to give them a beat writer like Demovsky, right?
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 7, 2013 17:46:45 GMT -6
You guys do realize that most of the conference members pray for their local paper to give them a beat writer like Demovsky, right? Like many have said he does a good job with the Packers. Very few positive articles on BB. Even before this his negative articles were 2 for every 1 positive. I know most that cover BB would be happy for you to have him. All we want is a fair reporter not a cheerleader and not someone who finds negatives out of any thing positive.
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Post by rocketmailsouthpaw on May 7, 2013 18:00:23 GMT -6
Not that I am trying to pick a fight with anyone but I am just a bit curious where Black Panther's sticking up for Demovsky is coming from. The only reason I ask is several years ago I know Demovsky would get quite a beating on the Panther message board by the UWM fans back in the days when Kowalczyk was coaching. Kowalczyk or pmck (as he was referred to on the UWM board) was definitely a despised individual at the time (not that he was Mr. Popularity here in GB either). I know Demovsky wrote alot of favorable columns about TK and was subject to alot of negativity for it. In fact I can even recall that back in 2007 RD wrote an article talking about how the coaches for the other women's teams in the conference still praised Kevin Borseth despite losing to him all the time and RD closed his article comparing that situation to the men's side where he took a few shots at Bruce Pearl. If memory serves, RD took a ton of grief on the UWM board for that (which let's be honest, could have been left out of his column).
Not saying anyone is right or wrong (RD, Black Panther, the posters here)- I'm just making an observation is all.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 7, 2013 18:28:08 GMT -6
A couple of thoughts -- when I ran the old Nix message board I was accused of being a cheerleader for Kowalczyk. I wasn't. As a GB grad I wanted to give the program a boost and felt at that time they were behind the curve with an Internet presence. I didn't consider myself a journalist -- I was doing PR. (note - I was a journalist most of my life.)
Demovsky is employed by the Press Gazette to be a journalist. He has to write about what is happening good and bad. The PG knows the cash cow is Packer coverage. Rob also has been assigned the Nix. He is spread pretty thin but has done a solid job over the years. He won the sportswriter of the year award a couple of times in Wisconsin.
That said he is human and when he is attacked personally it has to hurt. This is really the first time since he has been covering the Nix that he really has been accused of being anti UWGB. It has not been his job to put lipstick on the accusations. It is fair for fans to question the story structure the past couple of weeks. FYI -- he does not write the headlines for his stories. I image his editor is pushing him and not inclined to make life easy for Rob right now.
When we look back on all this the turning point will not be anything Demovsky wrote. The turning point will be the timing of the Bross Letter being made public. (the family's decision) It undermined the allegation because it appeared the family was on a vendetta and were not willing to allow for due process. It turned the tables on the PR war. Perception is everything and the perception of the two "players" have taken major hits.
A final note to Coach Wardle. Holding grudges of any kind are a waste of energy and would not serve your career well. This will be the next test of character.
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Post by PantherU on May 8, 2013 1:55:06 GMT -6
Not that I am trying to pick a fight with anyone but I am just a bit curious where Black Panther's sticking up for Demovsky is coming from. The only reason I ask is several years ago I know Demovsky would get quite a beating on the Panther message board by the UWM fans back in the days when Kowalczyk was coaching. Kowalczyk or pmck (as he was referred to on the UWM board) was definitely a despised individual at the time (not that he was Mr. Popularity here in GB either). I know Demovsky wrote alot of favorable columns about TK and was subject to alot of negativity for it. In fact I can even recall that back in 2007 RD wrote an article talking about how the coaches for the other women's teams in the conference still praised Kevin Borseth despite losing to him all the time and RD closed his article comparing that situation to the men's side where he took a few shots at Bruce Pearl. If memory serves, RD took a ton of grief on the UWM board for that (which let's be honest, could have been left out of his column). Not saying anyone is right or wrong (RD, Black Panther, the posters here)- I'm just making an observation is all. I can say that, for myself, it's the difference between being 20, ignorant and immature and being 26, not as dumb as 20.
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 8, 2013 18:09:22 GMT -6
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 9, 2013 22:56:01 GMT -6
The PR support continues to come. Indiana coach Tom Crean has put a number of posts on Twitter.
"I have known Brian Wardle since 1999. I have coached him and employed him. He has tremendous character, passion, resolve and courage."
"The Brian Wardle I know is a great Husband and Father. He is demanding, honest and an excellent Basketball coach."
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Post by truth on May 10, 2013 16:17:56 GMT -6
Here's a common sense observation that if people think is in support of Demovsky and the Gazette coverage, so be it.
ANY and EVERY reporter in this market would have covered this story the way Demovsky has.
The story demands it. Demovsky doesn't make the decisions or call the tunes for local TV coverage. And every news director in town made the decision to play this as not only the number one sports story but the number one story period, leading the six oclock newscasts.
It's not just Demovsky. It's just a good news story.
Also, I think it only looks like he is hard on Wardle because he was so close to Kowalcyzk and never wrote a negative story in eight years even though the guy never won a meaningful game at the end of the year. (I don't count the CSI banners.)
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 10, 2013 20:55:26 GMT -6
The PR support continues to come. Indiana coach Tom Crean has put a number of posts on Twitter. "I have known Brian Wardle since 1999. I have coached him and employed him. He has tremendous character, passion, resolve and courage." "The Brian Wardle I know is a great Husband and Father. He is demanding, honest and an excellent Basketball coach." Wow that is big news and very nice comments. Crean is a well respected coach. I just hope something positive comes out of this some where? I just can't figure out what.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 12, 2013 14:52:49 GMT -6
blackpanthermke You have a point that I should not have called him little but the buck stops there. He has been only been negative and butchered a story about the new recruit today.... If Rob is that sensitive maybe he should write a little more about both sides instead of looking for the negative. First, I don't think Rob or any member of the media deserves to be attacked by any reader at his home in front of his family. There is no excuse for that. [/color] I do think Rob can be called out in the comment section of the paper, on twitter or on message boards and as long as it is not a threat of violence or harrassment it is okay. Readers should be allowed to express their views. In my view Rob's writing has taken a turn against UWGB hoops. I think Rob would be the first to admit that Wardle would not have been his selection as the coach. Over time the writing seems to reflect that. Writing about poor attendance/moving to the Kress, writing about how to defend a late game 3 after WSU beat GB, writing about Mays more than Brown, writing about the transfer rate and now burying the recruit info. When Coach K was here pantheru would call out Rob all the time for being in Coach K's pocket. Rob never mentioned what rule Jesse Childs broke. He never discussed all of the guys that came and went under Coach K. Each recruit usually received positive press when they signed. I don't recall him writing an article to ever question an in game decision. Even in his interview with John and Nick I could sense frustration at times. He seemed frustrated that those guys could get an interview with Alec and Kiefer but he couldn't. By his own admission this story is consuming his time, to the point that he made a comment about his own wife getting frustrated with him. The guy is the team beat writer and for the first time in a long time if not ever there is a story that can sell papers, get online clicks from around the country and in general make money for the paper and build his writing career. Maybe it is a case of he can't see the trees through the forrest because he is in too deep. Maybe it is the copy editor changing his articles in a way to get readers to keep coming back. Maybe it is something else. I normally don't get too hot headed on this board but I do feel that Rob and/or the GBPG have taken a negative bias towards the team and in particular this issue.[/quote] I did ask a PG reporter a few days ago about this incident. He was rather suprised he had not even heard about it. He said he used to sit next to Rob and if it happened he's suprised the PG didn't issue some kind of warning to all employees? Just wondering were this got started? He did say he doesn't do much reporting any more so maybe he's out of the loop.
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