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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 6, 2013 11:25:27 GMT -6
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Post by PantherU on May 6, 2013 12:51:12 GMT -6
I am sorry everyone, I had to respond.....yes I am back. Thank you wannabeaphan. Your perspective and thoughts are right on. I too was a D1 athlete and most of these guys don't have any idea what these kids go through to get a D1 scholarship especially those at the mid and low major level (not to say those highly talented high major kids don't either). Most of the guys in programs like Green Bay are not the highest recruited guys or there has been a "detour" in their path to playing D1 basketball. These guys have all busted their ass and are tough exceptional athletes. Now, granted some have flaws, as most of us do. THEY ARE NOT PERFECT, I was without a real computer for half the week so I am behind the times a bit. With that said this part of BigV's post is part of the issue with Bross. Ryan Bross has not busted his ass for years and is not a tough exceptional athlete. Ryan Bross played two years of basketball in a terrible program and Ryan Bross is just a huge guy who couldn't even play for a bad high school. As I have said before Wardle knew this but to say Ryan knows what it takes to be good is hard to believe. Kids with this little experience at this age might not know where their physical limit is. When I saw Bross play in high school I wouldn't describe him as a self starter who would push himself. I was talking to my friend who is a high school track coach last night at his meet. I asked why one of his mile runners was so slow. He said it is a struggle to get some kids out of their comfort zone. There is little doubt that Wardle was pushing Bross to get out of his comfort zone. Some of this stuff may be over the line but the shitting his pants from running, being told to get a girl friend or getting sworn at seems to be more of an attempt to get a kid with some size to actually get out of his comfort zone and do something with that size. I agree. Menomonee Falls sucks! Sussex Hamilton sucks! Go Hale!
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Post by PantherU on May 6, 2013 13:07:38 GMT -6
I wanted to vent a bit about Little Rob D. as he has really focused on the negative aspect throughout this investigation. I do understand that sensationalism is what sells and they need to sell some papers. However, I believe he has really shown his true colors on the GB program. If you remember he wrote an article on the low attendance and that they should play the games at the Kress center instead of focusing on the team and reasons to come out and watch them. Then today Little Rob D's article on the new recruit starts off with the "in the midst of the investigation" really!! Then he wants to focus on what the players former coach said instead of talking about the exciting news of a new recruit. I know that Little Rob D. reads this board as a couple of years ago at the Steak Fry he admitted it. Also, if you have not noticed some of his article ideas have come from this board. NOw onto the investigation, I agree there are no winners in this at all and do not understand why the Bross family sent the letter to the PG when they said they did not want to try this in the public, when in fact that is what they did. For what it is worth, I know a person that was a year ahead of Ryan in highschool and was told he was not the toughest kid in the school (not the exact way it was put) but I am trying to be nice. Unlike Little Rob D. You are petty, ignorant and a message board bully. The "Little Rob D" comments are real eye-rollers, because it's plain as day that you expect Rob Demovsky to be a cheerleader for the program. Which also shows that you're ignorant, because you expect that cheerleader to brush any bad news under the rug. And you're a message board bully, hiding behind a screen name while Rob's face is everywhere. Big fucking man you are. Why don't you post your full name and picture instead of hiding behind a computer screen, then you can be totally accountable for the garbage you're spewing. Maybe you'll get accosted in front of your house, in front of your kids. Fucking coward.
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Post by PantherU on May 6, 2013 13:08:59 GMT -6
There is NO way that any of these guys got to the DI level by being a baby or soft. Completely false. Bross got to D1 because he is 7-1 and Wardle took a huge gamble on him and now its blowing up in his face. Thankfully this investigation and this circus should be over by the end of next week I don't know if we can call a walk-on a "huge gamble."
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 6, 2013 13:19:36 GMT -6
I was without a real computer for half the week so I am behind the times a bit. With that said this part of BigV's post is part of the issue with Bross. Ryan Bross has not busted his ass for years and is not a tough exceptional athlete. Ryan Bross played two years of basketball in a terrible program and Ryan Bross is just a huge guy who couldn't even play for a bad high school. As I have said before Wardle knew this but to say Ryan knows what it takes to be good is hard to believe. Kids with this little experience at this age might not know where their physical limit is. When I saw Bross play in high school I wouldn't describe him as a self starter who would push himself. I was talking to my friend who is a high school track coach last night at his meet. I asked why one of his mile runners was so slow. He said it is a struggle to get some kids out of their comfort zone. There is little doubt that Wardle was pushing Bross to get out of his comfort zone. Some of this stuff may be over the line but the shitting his pants from running, being told to get a girl friend or getting sworn at seems to be more of an attempt to get a kid with some size to actually get out of his comfort zone and do something with that size. I agree. Menomonee Falls sucks! Sussex Hamilton sucks! Go Hale! I am a W.A. Central man so I would normally say Hale sucks but then again I think we both know I would be reaching deep to really believe that!
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 6, 2013 13:35:53 GMT -6
I wanted to vent a bit about Little Rob D. as he has really focused on the negative aspect throughout this investigation. I do understand that sensationalism is what sells and they need to sell some papers. However, I believe he has really shown his true colors on the GB program. If you remember he wrote an article on the low attendance and that they should play the games at the Kress center instead of focusing on the team and reasons to come out and watch them. Then today Little Rob D's article on the new recruit starts off with the "in the midst of the investigation" really!! Then he wants to focus on what the players former coach said instead of talking about the exciting news of a new recruit. I know that Little Rob D. reads this board as a couple of years ago at the Steak Fry he admitted it. Also, if you have not noticed some of his article ideas have come from this board. NOw onto the investigation, I agree there are no winners in this at all and do not understand why the Bross family sent the letter to the PG when they said they did not want to try this in the public, when in fact that is what they did. For what it is worth, I know a person that was a year ahead of Ryan in highschool and was told he was not the toughest kid in the school (not the exact way it was put) but I am trying to be nice. Unlike Little Rob D. You are petty, ignorant and a message board bully. The "Little Rob D" comments are real eye-rollers, because it's plain as day that you expect Rob Demovsky to be a cheerleader for the program. Which also shows that you're ignorant, because you expect that cheerleader to brush any bad news under the rug. And you're a message board bully, hiding behind a screen name while Rob's face is everywhere. Big fucking man you are. Why don't you post your full name and picture instead of hiding behind a computer screen, then you can be totally accountable for the garbage you're spewing. Maybe you'll get accosted in front of your house, in front of your kids. Fucking coward. 1. It doesn't do anyone any good to start calling names. It just makes you look like a bully! 2. Rob is more interested in the Packers and really only has given lip service to GB's program over the last 3-4 years. He also is not a friend of BW's and it shows at the games. 3. Since this started I don't think he's written any thing positive about BW. He did try to interview current players and GB said no but never tried any past players who played for him except (Coogs and Bross). But still wrote about it even though BW has a gag order by the school and understandbly so. 4. You know what the turnover rate was in Jeters first 3 years. I think it's almost exactly the same as BW's but Rob has had a few columns on how high it is which is true but not out of the oridinary for a new coach.
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Post by Nix on May 6, 2013 13:36:47 GMT -6
I wanted to vent a bit about Little Rob D. as he has really focused on the negative aspect throughout this investigation. I do understand that sensationalism is what sells and they need to sell some papers. However, I believe he has really shown his true colors on the GB program. If you remember he wrote an article on the low attendance and that they should play the games at the Kress center instead of focusing on the team and reasons to come out and watch them. Then today Little Rob D's article on the new recruit starts off with the "in the midst of the investigation" really!! Then he wants to focus on what the players former coach said instead of talking about the exciting news of a new recruit. I know that Little Rob D. reads this board as a couple of years ago at the Steak Fry he admitted it. Also, if you have not noticed some of his article ideas have come from this board. NOw onto the investigation, I agree there are no winners in this at all and do not understand why the Bross family sent the letter to the PG when they said they did not want to try this in the public, when in fact that is what they did. For what it is worth, I know a person that was a year ahead of Ryan in highschool and was told he was not the toughest kid in the school (not the exact way it was put) but I am trying to be nice. Unlike Little Rob D. You are petty, ignorant and a message board bully. The "Little Rob D" comments are real eye-rollers, because it's plain as day that you expect Rob Demovsky to be a cheerleader for the program. Which also shows that you're ignorant, because you expect that cheerleader to brush any bad news under the rug. And you're a message board bully, hiding behind a screen name while Rob's face is everywhere. Big fucking man you are. Why don't you post your full name and picture instead of hiding behind a computer screen, then you can be totally accountable for the garbage you're spewing. Maybe you'll get accosted in front of your house, in front of your kids. Fucking coward. It has nothing to do with sweeping it under the rug. Robbie D has been using this 'investigation' or any bad news to cover up any good news about the program. Covering Tevin's signing by starting it "amidst the investigation" or AB not getting any recognition of him coming back for his senior year, as it was buried under Greg Mays arrest story.
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Post by Fanforever on May 6, 2013 14:03:18 GMT -6
blackpanthermke You have a point that I should not have called him little but the buck stops there. He has been only been negative and butchered a story about the new recruit today.
If you want my address let me know as I will gladly give it to you and we can talk face to face. Calling me a coward is far from the truth.
If Rob is that sensitive maybe he should write a little more about both sides instead of looking for the negative.
I was only stating my opinion with a jab to Rob and you obviously are as sensitive as some former GB men's basketball players.
Also using the f**** word is showing who is the ignorant person.
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Post by Fanforever on May 6, 2013 14:57:33 GMT -6
As a follow up I should not post when I am upset like I was this morning after reading Rob's article and like I just did after reading Blackpanthermke's post as it makes me look just as ignorant.
I went to school at GB, have season tickets and am very passionate about their sports which can lead me to shoot from the hip a time or two. As has been stated on this board many times Rob has been generally negative but his story today pushed me over the edge.
To all on the board I enjoy the comments from both sides but to call me a f'in coward along with a few other items is off base.
Lastly, I will be glad when this is over and we can get back to cheering for our team. The worst part is that no side will be a winner as both sides are going to come out of this with a negative stigma.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 6, 2013 20:00:54 GMT -6
I talked with a girl I know who's a jr. at UWGB. I asked if she heard anything, she said no ones saying anything and she knows one of the assts. too and nothing. I asked her what the students thought and she said the consenses is it's all bs? Not much but until they do some thing official that's all we get.
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Post by gman2 on May 6, 2013 20:17:56 GMT -6
I was without a real computer for half the week so I am behind the times a bit. With that said this part of BigV's post is part of the issue with Bross. Ryan Bross has not busted his ass for years and is not a tough exceptional athlete. Ryan Bross played two years of basketball in a terrible program and Ryan Bross is just a huge guy who couldn't even play for a bad high school. As I have said before Wardle knew this but to say Ryan knows what it takes to be good is hard to believe. Kids with this little experience at this age might not know where their physical limit is. When I saw Bross play in high school I wouldn't describe him as a self starter who would push himself. I was talking to my friend who is a high school track coach last night at his meet. I asked why one of his mile runners was so slow. He said it is a struggle to get some kids out of their comfort zone. There is little doubt that Wardle was pushing Bross to get out of his comfort zone. Some of this stuff may be over the line but the shitting his pants from running, being told to get a girl friend or getting sworn at seems to be more of an attempt to get a kid with some size to actually get out of his comfort zone and do something with that size. I agree. Menomonee Falls sucks! Sussex Hamilton sucks! Go Hale! HALE NO! CENTRAL YES!
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Post by fansincebuss on May 6, 2013 21:36:46 GMT -6
I wanted to vent a bit about Little Rob D. as he has really focused on the negative aspect throughout this investigation. I do understand that sensationalism is what sells and they need to sell some papers. However, I believe he has really shown his true colors on the GB program. If you remember he wrote an article on the low attendance and that they should play the games at the Kress center instead of focusing on the team and reasons to come out and watch them. Then today Little Rob D's article on the new recruit starts off with the "in the midst of the investigation" really!! Then he wants to focus on what the players former coach said instead of talking about the exciting news of a new recruit. I know that Little Rob D. reads this board as a couple of years ago at the Steak Fry he admitted it. Also, if you have not noticed some of his article ideas have come from this board. NOw onto the investigation, I agree there are no winners in this at all and do not understand why the Bross family sent the letter to the PG when they said they did not want to try this in the public, when in fact that is what they did. For what it is worth, I know a person that was a year ahead of Ryan in highschool and was told he was not the toughest kid in the school (not the exact way it was put) but I am trying to be nice. Unlike Little Rob D. You are petty, ignorant and a message board bully. The "Little Rob D" comments are real eye-rollers, because it's plain as day that you expect Rob Demovsky to be a cheerleader for the program. Which also shows that you're ignorant, because you expect that cheerleader to brush any bad news under the rug. And you're a message board bully, hiding behind a screen name while Rob's face is everywhere. Big fucking man you are. Why don't you post your full name and picture instead of hiding behind a computer screen, then you can be totally accountable for the garbage you're spewing. Maybe you'll get accosted in front of your house, in front of your kids. Fucking coward. Chill out man. It's a message board. A little early in the day to be drunk.
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Post by Nix on May 6, 2013 23:39:09 GMT -6
I talked with a girl I know who's a jr. at UWGB. I asked if she heard anything, she said no ones saying anything and she knows one of the assts. too and nothing. I asked her what the students thought and she said the consenses is it's all bs? Not much but until they do some thing official that's all we get. Same here. I went to GB the last two years, and know some of the squad and other people who go there. I've gotten the same impression from them.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 7, 2013 6:30:09 GMT -6
blackpanthermke You have a point that I should not have called him little but the buck stops there. He has been only been negative and butchered a story about the new recruit today.... If Rob is that sensitive maybe he should write a little more about both sides instead of looking for the negative. First, I don't think Rob or any member of the media deserves to be attacked by any reader at his home in front of his family. There is no excuse for that. I do think Rob can be called out in the comment section of the paper, on twitter or on message boards and as long as it is not a threat of violence or harrassment it is okay. Readers should be allowed to express their views. In my view Rob's writing has taken a turn against UWGB hoops. I think Rob would be the first to admit that Wardle would not have been his selection as the coach. Over time the writing seems to reflect that. Writing about poor attendance/moving to the Kress, writing about how to defend a late game 3 after WSU beat GB, writing about Mays more than Brown, writing about the transfer rate and now burying the recruit info. When Coach K was here pantheru would call out Rob all the time for being in Coach K's pocket. Rob never mentioned what rule Jesse Childs broke. He never discussed all of the guys that came and went under Coach K. Each recruit usually received positive press when they signed. I don't recall him writing an article to ever question an in game decision. Even in his interview with John and Nick I could sense frustration at times. He seemed frustrated that those guys could get an interview with Alec and Kiefer but he couldn't. By his own admission this story is consuming his time, to the point that he made a comment about his own wife getting frustrated with him. The guy is the team beat writer and for the first time in a long time if not ever there is a story that can sell papers, get online clicks from around the country and in general make money for the paper and build his writing career. Maybe it is a case of he can't see the trees through the forrest because he is in too deep. Maybe it is the copy editor changing his articles in a way to get readers to keep coming back. Maybe it is something else. I normally don't get too hot headed on this board but I do feel that Rob and/or the GBPG have taken a negative bias towards the team and in particular this issue.
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Post by wiscosports on May 7, 2013 9:28:04 GMT -6
The hilarious part about all this is he's doing his job AMAZING and you guys are getting angry with it. I'm not saying the news is good, but his entire job is to sell papers and get people talking. I would say he's doing a pretty good job at that. He also has a boss just like anyone of us, and you think he isn't telling him to get the most interesting side story? Just make money it's what any business is about.
You should be happy too. UWGB gets little to no coverage in any media outlets because the town is dominated by packer coverage. Rob is the one person who takes his time to write any stories about the program.
So for everyone complaining saying he's doing a horrible job, you're wrong. He's doing a great job. After all you have read every single one of his stories and post it to this board immediately after.
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