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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 2, 2013 17:34:52 GMT -6
No one has the ability to get on my computer. It is locked and pass coded. It is impossible to do so. I joined because I wanted to voice my opinion on what was happening and happened when and after Ceroni left. It became very obvious that there where issues that NO ONE was willing to discuss. It was a very odd departure and once I heard the rumor that Suton was leaving I though something needed to be said. For my own following along are bigv and bigv2 the same person, with a user name change? Bigv2 is the username that posted the rumor of Sultan leaving in 12-13 season thread. I've also wondered about 3-4 different names. But Like BW I wanted proof before I jumped to conclusions. Same IP address does look very suspicious. It's sad but easy to make up user names to make it look like others are supporting your views!
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Post by wannabeaphan on May 2, 2013 17:38:33 GMT -6
To the Administrator: My instincts were correct in not identifying myself, or perhaps someone would accost me in front of my home - pretty creepy that you're looking at people's IP addresses. I debated whether to dignify your false accusations, but here goes: while I don't know, or care to know, how IP addresses work here are the facts: 1. I don't know who bigv is, nor do I care who bigv is 2. Unless big v was on a cross-country flight with me yesterday and took my phone while I was sleeping and used it to post, there is no one anyone has been on the same IP address with me, now or ever. 3. I could care less about Brian Wardle 4. I do care that young people who are doing there best to be student athletes are being attacked by a bunch of people who don't know the truth about what happened, and who never will know the truth about what happened.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 2, 2013 18:10:05 GMT -6
To the Administrator: My instincts were correct in not identifying myself, or perhaps someone would accost me in front of my home - pretty creepy that you're looking at people's IP addresses. I debated whether to dignify your false accusations, but here goes: while I don't know, or care to know, how IP addresses work here are the facts: 1. I don't know who bigv is, nor do I care who bigv is 2. Unless big v was on a cross-country flight with me yesterday and took my phone while I was sleeping and used it to post, there is no one anyone has been on the same IP address with me, now or ever. 3. I could care less about Brian Wardle 4. I do care that young people who are doing there best to be student athletes are being attacked by a bunch of people who don't know the truth about what happened, and who never will know the truth about what happened. It appears that you would rather ruin UWGB's D1 program rather than wait for the facts. Oh that's right you already claim to know them? I'm sticking up for GB and the right to be judged guilty or innocent. I went to School there and want to know the truth. Why don't you? It certainly seems like you have a personnel interest here! If BW did something wrong he should be punished by UWGB not by spreading rumors. If he's guilty he won't have a career nor should he.
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 2, 2013 18:29:16 GMT -6
Well said jjmiller......
I am also a UWGB alum. I attended games as a kid during the rise under DB. I was on campus during the NCAA runs under DB and Heideman's first season, then I continued to watch games during the fall under Heideman, and then the promise but eventual tease under TK.....BW has this program primed for a huge run next season, but all I see from the Johnny-come-latelys on this board is to take down BW, the entire program and the players left who have committed to it, and the fans/students who support it, before the facts have come out. All for one player who has accountability issues (Cougs) academically and went to 3 schools in 3 years led by a mother who sees no fault in her son while everyone else does; and another player (Bross) who was physically gifted, but has had little basketball experience, and clearly wasn't ready emotionally for the intensity of mid-major D1 basketball. I don't think Bross has ever been coached hard until he met BW....As a walk-on, you can quit at anytime if you don't want to be there.
If BW is found guilty of anything, he will be punished/fired accordingly. If he's fired, the program will go on.....and I bet the next coach of UWGB will also scream and yell just like BW, TK, MH, and DB...and probably even Dave Buss and Dick Lien too......and kids will still transfer if they don't like the coach's style, not getting enough playing time, or are homesick.
If BW survives this, I think this may galvanize the remaining/incoming players.....and BW will learn a valuable lesson about himself on how he conducts himself as a coach (this is his first HC job, and was only an assistant under TK and Tom Crean), as well the kinds of kids he will let into the program (whether scholarship or walk-on) going forward.
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Post by Nix on May 2, 2013 19:20:23 GMT -6
To the Administrator: My instincts were correct in not identifying myself, or perhaps someone would accost me in front of my home - pretty creepy that you're looking at people's IP addresses. I debated whether to dignify your false accusations, but here goes: while I don't know, or care to know, how IP addresses work here are the facts: 1. I don't know who bigv is, nor do I care who bigv is 2. Unless big v was on a cross-country flight with me yesterday and took my phone while I was sleeping and used it to post, there is no one anyone has been on the same IP address with me, now or ever. 3. I could care less about Brian Wardle 4. I do care that young people who are doing there best to be student athletes are being attacked by a bunch of people who don't know the truth about what happened, and who never will know the truth about what happened. It's very easy to make up this story. The admin was able to check your IP, as all admins of any website can do, it showed up the same as another member, thus proving you are posting from the same computer, and most likely the same person. So stop lying.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 19:26:13 GMT -6
Regarding biv and big v2....they are the same. I am a computer and blogger idiot, for some reason I couldn't get bigv to work once night and I signed up again as bigv2. I am the same person.....
I too find it a bit creepy that you can track the computers that send info in and that only those that run the site have the ability to do so.
I think I will be signing off again until this whole thing is resolved.
It is now in the hands of the administration and I hope it is dealt with in an expedient fashion before UWGB basketball becomes the laughing stock of D1 basketball. Let's hope they do what is right for the KIDS.
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 2, 2013 19:28:37 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 19:29:41 GMT -6
by the way, I use 3 computers to send my stuff in so there is no way that the same IP is being used.......
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Post by wannabeaphan on May 2, 2013 19:36:30 GMT -6
I've never said I know the facts. I don't. Nor do any of us writing on this board. I will wait for the investigation to conclude and read what is published. What I said is NO ONE will know the detas of the investigation. Laws protect employee information from being released. My point, throughout this topic is that there are young men who are bring treated with less respect than I believe they deserve. I don't want to see a basketball program ruined by any one. It's obvious that I'm in the minority of people on this thread who want to see the players get the same support the coach does from the fans.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 2, 2013 19:46:34 GMT -6
Nice article, it says a lot when another Coach who watched practices would send his children to be Coached by BW. Thanks for the support Matt Bollant former UWGB's Women Coach. It sounds like we should know next week?
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 2, 2013 21:12:26 GMT -6
When I ran the old board I had access to all user IPs. Also you can ping a user to see where geographically they are posting from....Neenah, Appleton, etc. I only did this kind of tracing if there was a user abuse issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 9:42:32 GMT -6
I understand that some of this stuff has to do with security issues and there needs to be a way to trace it back if there is a serious issue.
I don't believe what we are discussing on this site is so serious and damning information that the admin. needs to start looking into where and who is sending this information.....if someone wants to divulge who they are it is their decision.
Again, all we are doing is providing what we hear and our comments/opinions.
I find it very interesting that when someone goes against the "grain" (like wannabeaphan and myself bigv/bigv2) of most of those on this site that they DO get attacked and that those attacking are very closed minded about discussing our opinions and issues we presented.
Again, just my opinion.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 3, 2013 10:43:46 GMT -6
For the past 14 years I have been on an international video conferencing directory. I was getting calls from Israel, Scotland, Brazil, Spain, Kuwait and just all over. Sometimes the calls I was getting I had no idea who might want to get in touch. I had one gentleman who looked like a football player do something well over the top. I disconnected immediately but wanted to know where in the hell a call like that one was coming from? I pinged the connection and traced it back to a specific area of NE Illinois. He was a Chicago bare.
Just a note to everyone -- like it or not if you're on the Internet you're not as anonymous as you think you are. My wife works on network security issues and has told me story that make what hair I have left curl. You would be surprised what databases your activities are appearing on.
As to people disagreeing on this message board -- have at it. I give more weight to those who will put their name to opinions. That said if you want to be anonymous it's a choice that we can make.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 3, 2013 10:45:08 GMT -6
I understand that some of this stuff has to do with security issues and there needs to be a way to trace it back if there is a serious issue. I don't believe what we are discussing on this site is so serious and damning information that the admin. needs to start looking into where and who is sending this information.....if someone wants to divulge who they are it is their decision. Again, all we are doing is providing what we hear and our comments/opinions. I find it very interesting that when someone goes against the "grain" (like wannabeaphan and myself bigv/bigv2) of most of those on this site that they DO get attacked and that those attacking are very closed minded about discussing our opinions and issues we presented. Again, just my opinion. No I don't think you get it. This is serious business. I agree the players shouldn't be attacked. But facts are Coogs went to 3 different U's which I see as a personality issue. Bross was a walk on and in my opinion a practice player for AB. I don't consider that attacks but my opinion. I've also said the if BW did do something wrong he should be punished. Many past and present players are standing by BW that's why there's questions. But I won't condem him until the facts are in. If the facts warrant it he's out a job and career! Everyone that doesn't follow your line is automaticly attacking the players yet you do the same in reverse attacking the School! You can't have it both ways. ps the board is not run by the School just in case you think it is? When it was set up my understanding is it was a private party, I might be wrong.
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Post by PantherU on May 3, 2013 10:56:40 GMT -6
This is what I don't get. If Bross decided to transfer to a D-III private school, what does he stand to gain from making any of this stuff public? I'm reading a lot of sniping at Bross.
I just can't see why anyone thinks he's lying. He literally has nothing to gain from making a national story about how he sh*t himself.
To me, there are only two options: the better is that he and the people around him have different perceptions of the same situation. The worse is that he's being totally honest and some people are covering for Wardle.
It was discouraging to hear Brown and Sykes contradict themselves on the radio the other day; one says nothing happened and the other says Bross did defecate, but he elected to continue on his own.
Sounds to me like Bross and Cougill are just telling it like it is in their eyes and everyone on Wardle's side is trying to make it sound like it isn't as bad as it is or paint them as liars.
I sure hope there's no ill intent. But it definitely sounds to me like this stuff is true, and that Cougill and Bross viewed it as malicious. The investigation should definitely clear it up whether or not Wardle is responsible for these things. Personally, I doubt he was doing anything except being the tough coach. But he may have crossed the line. Whether or not he is exonerated, I do hope he reevaluates his coaching style.
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