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Post by phearthephoenix on May 18, 2020 13:44:58 GMT -6
Clearly there are still plenty of questions about the decision to fire Linc - most notably the timing and financial impact that it will have - and we can continue to talk about that in the other thread.
For this thread, who do you (realistically) WANT to have as the next coach at Green Bay and/or who do you think it will be?
Obviously the most talked about name is Gary Grzesk at St. Norbert but he's already been passed over twice. Is this finally the right time? I've also seen a bunch of WIAC coaches names being mentioned as well but surely we can do better than that. For reference, the finalists the last time around when Darner was hired in 2015 were Grzesk, Darner, Bacari Alexander (bullet dodged there), Eric Konkel (now the head coach at Louisiana Tech), and Travis Steele (now the head coach at Xavier).
One name that stood out to me is Saul Phillips, the former North Dakota State and Ohio coach who led NDSU to 2 NCAA Tournaments including a first round upset win in 2014. He's a Wisconsin native and is currently coaching at Northern State, a DII school in South Dakota. Seems like he ran into a lot of bad luck at Ohio and got fired after 5 seasons, this past season was his first at Northern St. so who knows if he would want to move again for the third different job in three years?
Let's hear your pick, who do you want as the next coach at GB?
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 18, 2020 14:08:54 GMT -6
One name I’ve seen thrown around a little bit is Drew Valentine, an assistant at Loyola-Chicago. I think he’d be worth a long look after reading up on him.
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on May 18, 2020 14:43:31 GMT -6
If they can’t get who they want they are better off hiring an interim coach and waiting until next year to get someone good.
With when and how they did this they aren’t going to have a great candidate list like they maybe did in 2015.
I assume they have a plan considering when this was done and how, but with this school who knows 🤷♂️
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 18, 2020 16:12:00 GMT -6
Clearly there are still plenty of questions about the decision to fire Linc - most notably the timing and financial impact that it will have - and we can continue to talk about that in the other thread. For this thread, who do you (realistically) WANT to have as the next coach at Green Bay and/or who do you think it will be? Obviously the most talked about name is Gary Grzesk at St. Norbert but he's already been passed over twice. Is this finally the right time? I've also seen a bunch of WIAC coaches names being mentioned as well but surely we can do better than that. For reference, the finalists the last time around when Darner was hired in 2015 were Grzesk, Darner, Bacari Alexander (bullet dodged there), Eric Konkel (now the head coach at Louisiana Tech), and Travis Steele (now the head coach at Xavier). One name that stood out to me is Saul Phillips, the former North Dakota State and Ohio coach who led NDSU to 2 NCAA Tournaments including a first round upset win in 2014. He's a Wisconsin native and is currently coaching at Northern State, a DII school in South Dakota. Seems like he ran into a lot of bad luck at Ohio and got fired after 5 seasons, this past season was his first at Northern St. so who knows if he would want to move again for the third different job in three years? Let's hear your pick, who do you want as the next coach at GB? I forgot about Saul Phillips. He should be on the short list if he's interested. Also add Ben Johnson and Brad Soderberg......GG's ship has sailed. Seems like he grinds on players and his success has gone down the past several years. I don't want to have a year or two of 90's GB basketball nostalgia only to get an average HC in the long term.
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 18, 2020 16:17:46 GMT -6
Seems like the names that have been thrown around on this tread as well as the Linc Being Fired thread, are those who come from a defensive-centric culture. It doesn't help your cause (Linc) is you are near the top in the nation in scoring but near the bottom in most defensive categories. If GB were to have ranked in the middle of the HL in most of the defensive categories there is a statistic for, we would not be having this conversation right now.
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Post by uscg2012 on May 18, 2020 16:24:40 GMT -6
Very interested to learn more about Jimmie Foster. Was an assistant under Wardle in GB and still is at Bradley. From the Milwaukee area.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 18, 2020 16:33:37 GMT -6
Very interested to learn more about Jimmie Foster. Was an assistant under Wardle in GB and still is at Bradley. From the Milwaukee area. Would they go back to a Wardle guy? I guess I haven’t thought of Foster in years. A lot of the names are Wisconsin guys being tossed around. Perhaps most people are just familiar with the names, so they get thrown out there, but the statement from the school said they would conduct a “nationwide search.” Could be just PR speak, but I wonder if the hire is going to be totally out of left field. I’d like all options to be on the table. Getting a guy or assistants from different parts of the country could unlock more recruiting potential.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 18, 2020 17:42:29 GMT -6
The administration's news release was an example of pure boilerplate form writing -- besides being a day late on the release. That's my take away about "a nationwide search." Ironically, the pandemic may play well on the issue of keeping a core of players and recruits. Will the treatment of Darner hurt attracting some quality candidates? At this point, the situation looks like a cluster with the worst timing I've seen in a long time. The "reassignment" way of getting out of paying up is awful looking. It is all a PR nightmare that was handled about as badly as you can.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 18, 2020 18:39:55 GMT -6
The administration's news release was an example of pure boilerplate form writing -- besides being a day late on the release. That's my take away about "a nationwide search." Ironically, the pandemic may play well on the issue of keeping a core of players and recruits. Will the treatment of Darner hurt attracting some quality candidates? At this point, the situation looks like a cluster with the worst timing I've seen in a long time. The "reassignment" way of getting out of paying up is awful looking. It is all a PR nightmare that was handled about as badly as you can. It’s a PR nightmare, but the school is literally manufacturing this crisis. If I were a candidate, I would absolutely take into account how this is being handled, they could very easily be in Linc’s shoes. I could see them taking a lower level coach, one, for the pay cut, and two, because no coach is going to make a lateral move into a financial mess and want to deal with the possibility of being forced out. Pure speculation, but I’m wondering if the next coach could be a first-time head coach, or one that’s never been at this level.
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Post by uscg2012 on May 18, 2020 18:43:08 GMT -6
The administration's news release was an example of pure boilerplate form writing -- besides being a day late on the release. That's my take away about "a nationwide search." Ironically, the pandemic may play well on the issue of keeping a core of players and recruits. Will the treatment of Darner hurt attracting some quality candidates? At this point, the situation looks like a cluster with the worst timing I've seen in a long time. The "reassignment" way of getting out of paying up is awful looking. It is all a PR nightmare that was handled about as badly as you can. It’s a PR nightmare, but the school is literally manufacturing this crisis. If I were a candidate, I would absolutely take into account how this is being handled, they could very easily be in Linc’s shoes. I could see them taking a lower level coach, one, for the pay cut, and two, because no coach is going to make a lateral move into a financial mess and want to deal with the possibility of being forced out. Pure speculation, but I’m wondering if the next coach could be a first-time head coach, or one that’s never been at this level. Linc wasnt Guthrie’s or the new chancellors guy. They didn’t hire Linc. The next coach will have all the time in the world to get things done because he will be the guy of THIS administration.
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Post by fansincebuss on May 18, 2020 18:50:12 GMT -6
It’s a PR nightmare, but the school is literally manufacturing this crisis. If I were a candidate, I would absolutely take into account how this is being handled, they could very easily be in Linc’s shoes. I could see them taking a lower level coach, one, for the pay cut, and two, because no coach is going to make a lateral move into a financial mess and want to deal with the possibility of being forced out. Pure speculation, but I’m wondering if the next coach could be a first-time head coach, or one that’s never been at this level. Linc wasnt Guthrie’s or the new chancellors guy. They didn’t hire Linc. The next coach will have all the time in the world to get things done because he will be the guy of THIS administration. And when Guthrie leaves the next guy will want his own. What if the new chancellor decides he wants his own AD.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 18, 2020 18:52:12 GMT -6
It’s a PR nightmare, but the school is literally manufacturing this crisis. If I were a candidate, I would absolutely take into account how this is being handled, they could very easily be in Linc’s shoes. I could see them taking a lower level coach, one, for the pay cut, and two, because no coach is going to make a lateral move into a financial mess and want to deal with the possibility of being forced out. Pure speculation, but I’m wondering if the next coach could be a first-time head coach, or one that’s never been at this level. Linc wasnt Guthrie’s or the new chancellors guy. They didn’t hire Linc. The next coach will have all the time in the world to get things done because he will be the guy of THIS administration. Well, so long as the administration is around. There is less stability than ever in college/university administration right now. Especially with the budget of the school constantly being at the mercy of the system and state legislature, you can’t count on people being in place for all that long. This type of thing creates a culture where it’s accepted. I do not want GB to acquire a reputation as a place where good people routinely get railroaded.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 18, 2020 19:15:38 GMT -6
And when Guthrie leaves the next guy will want his own. What if the new chancellor decides he wants his own AD. It’s a business and nothing more. That’s the problem. I’m in higher ed, the fact that universities are being run like businesses is a problem.
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Post by hoopsfan544 on May 19, 2020 8:02:10 GMT -6
What about Julian Swartz? Assistant Coach at Georgia Tech, former UWGB player, and Wisconsin High School legend. Think his name needs to be strongly considered. Clearly there are still plenty of questions about the decision to fire Linc - most notably the timing and financial impact that it will have - and we can continue to talk about that in the other thread. For this thread, who do you (realistically) WANT to have as the next coach at Green Bay and/or who do you think it will be? Obviously the most talked about name is Gary Grzesk at St. Norbert but he's already been passed over twice. Is this finally the right time? I've also seen a bunch of WIAC coaches names being mentioned as well but surely we can do better than that. For reference, the finalists the last time around when Darner was hired in 2015 were Grzesk, Darner, Bacari Alexander (bullet dodged there), Eric Konkel (now the head coach at Louisiana Tech), and Travis Steele (now the head coach at Xavier). One name that stood out to me is Saul Phillips, the former North Dakota State and Ohio coach who led NDSU to 2 NCAA Tournaments including a first round upset win in 2014. He's a Wisconsin native and is currently coaching at Northern State, a DII school in South Dakota. Seems like he ran into a lot of bad luck at Ohio and got fired after 5 seasons, this past season was his first at Northern St. so who knows if he would want to move again for the third different job in three years? Let's hear your pick, who do you want as the next coach at GB?
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Post by hoopsfan544 on May 19, 2020 8:20:07 GMT -6
I think UWGB needs to look no further than Georgia Tech Assistant and former UWGB player Julian Swartz. Would be a phenomenal hire in my opinion.
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