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Post by phearthephoenix on May 19, 2020 8:46:43 GMT -6
What about Julian Swartz? Assistant Coach at Georgia Tech, former UWGB player, and Wisconsin High School legend. Think his name needs to be strongly considered. That's an interesting name. High major assistant with local ties. It doesn't look like he ever actually played for GB though according to [ this article] but he was a part of Wisconsin's Final Four team in 2000.
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Post by hoopsfan544 on May 19, 2020 8:53:55 GMT -6
This is what caught my eye when I researched his name. But yes high major assistant with local ties would be a great hire What about Julian Swartz? Assistant Coach at Georgia Tech, former UWGB player, and Wisconsin High School legend. Think his name needs to be strongly considered. That's an interesting name. High major assistant with local ties. It doesn't look like he ever actually played for GB though according to [ this article] but he was a part of Wisconsin's Final Four team in 2000.
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 19, 2020 9:31:47 GMT -6
This is what caught my eye when I researched his name. But yes high major assistant with local ties would be a great hire That's an interesting name. High major assistant with local ties. It doesn't look like he ever actually played for GB though according to [ this article] but he was a part of Wisconsin's Final Four team in 2000. I didn't know what happened to Julian Swartz after he left GB for Carroll to finish out his career. He would be an intriguing candidate. He would also be a first-time college HC. BW was also a first-timer and took him a few years to figure things out, sometimes to his detriment. Doesn't mean Swartz (if he's even interested in GB) would make the same mistakes in recruiting or running his program (i.e. dont' recruit kids who have lawn mower parents who look to run you out of town the minute their son faces adversity or asked to work hard like BW did) but he could recruit the Milwaukee area better than Linc did and maybe open up places like Memphis and Atlanta.
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Post by uscg2012 on May 19, 2020 9:33:02 GMT -6
This is what caught my eye when I researched his name. But yes high major assistant with local ties would be a great hire I didn't know what happened to Julian Swartz after he left GB for Carroll to finish out his career. He would be an intriguing candidate. He would also be a first-time college HC. BW was also a first-timer and took him a few years to figure things out, sometimes to his detriment. Doesn't mean Swartz (if he's even interested in GB) would make the same mistakes in recruiting or running his program (i.e. dont' recruit kids who have lawn mower parents who look to run you out of town the minute their son faces adversity or asked to work hard like BW did) but he could recruit the Milwaukee area better than Linc did and maybe open up places like Memphis and Atlanta. Lawn mower parents! I love that statement
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 19, 2020 10:48:56 GMT -6
I didn't know what happened to Julian Swartz after he left GB for Carroll to finish out his career. He would be an intriguing candidate. He would also be a first-time college HC. BW was also a first-timer and took him a few years to figure things out, sometimes to his detriment. Doesn't mean Swartz (if he's even interested in GB) would make the same mistakes in recruiting or running his program (i.e. dont' recruit kids who have lawn mower parents who look to run you out of town the minute their son faces adversity or asked to work hard like BW did) but he could recruit the Milwaukee area better than Linc did and maybe open up places like Memphis and Atlanta. Lawn mower parents! I love that statement Stay away from players like Brennan Cougill and his battle axe of a mother, Gina. BW had his issues, and was hard on some players who didn't put in full effort; Cougill was quoted in a 2010 article form The Gazette (IA) that he didn't 'give his full effort' during his single season at Iowa, but that quote should have been a sign of things to come. That internal investigation (which BW was cleared of any wrongdoing but was also forced to reassess his coaching approach) was a distraction to the program which had 2 promising players in Keifer Sykes and Alec Brown. I also remember Ryan Bross (backup 7'2" center who had no business in D1 anyway) who's mother was also roped into filing a complaint as well.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 19, 2020 10:58:07 GMT -6
Here's a couple of coaching hiring stories. I had just moved to Oklahoma when Tulsa University hired some unknown JUCO coach from a small town in west Texas. His team had managed to win the JUCO national title. Nolan Richardson brought five of his players with him to northeast Oklahoma. His first season as head coach of the Golden Hurricane they won the NIT crown. Then there's Marquette's improbable hiring of that guy from Belmont Abbey, a 1,200 student NAIA school in North Carolina. Al McGuire's teams had gone 6 & 18 and 7 & 21 the previous two seasons. Some recommendations for success? Dick Bennett's hire at GB came when I was living in Virginia and covering UVA basketball. From halfway across the country it looked like a weak hire of a career-high school and small college type coach who got lucky when he recruited Terry Porter. I Was wrong.
Hiring is a crapshoot.
Now that the Darner firing is done all we can do is wonder about the rebuild. The retention of current players and recruits is essential. Without that, you do not have a product. As a fan, we don't know all the insides of the Darner situation or the thought process that the AD and Chancellor went through. I've covered sports for decades and believe for the quickest step up for the GB program there needs to be continuity and a strong Wisconsin/Chicago base to the next hire. Also, this time of year and the pandemic makes things that much harder to bring together. As an assistant and small college head coach, I've seen some impressive recruiting and game coaching from Randall Herbst. I'd make him interim head coach with a shot at the permanent position. GB doesn't need a blow-dry, pretty boy who wants to punch his ticket in a season or two. Green Bay is a blue-collar town and Herbst has a work ethic that reflects that.
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 19, 2020 11:21:25 GMT -6
Here's a couple of coaching hiring stories. I had just moved to Oklahoma when Tulsa University hired some unknown JUCO coach from a small town in west Texas. His team had managed to win the JUCO national title. Nolan Richardson brought five of his players with him to northeast Oklahoma. His first season as head coach of the Golden Hurricane they won the NIT crown. Then there's Marquette's improbable hiring of that guy from Belmont Abbey, a 1,200 student NAIA school in North Carolina. Al McGuire's teams had gone 6 & 18 and 7 & 21 the previous two seasons. Some recommendations for success? Dick Bennett's hire at GB came when I was living in Virginia and covering UVA basketball. From halfway across the country it looked like a weak hire of a career-high school and small college type coach who got lucky when he recruited Terry Porter. I Was wrong. Hiring is a crapshoot. Now that the Darner firing is done all we can do is wonder about the rebuild. The retention of current players and recruits is essential. Without that, you do not have a product. As a fan, we don't know all the insides of the Darner situation or the thought process that the AD and Chancellor went through. I've covered sports for decades and believe for the quickest step up for the GB program there needs to be continuity and a strong Wisconsin/Chicago base to the next hire. Also, this time of year and the pandemic makes things that much harder to bring together. As an assistant and small college head coach, I've seen some impressive recruiting and game coaching from Randall Herbst. I'd make him interim head coach with a shot at the permanent position. GB doesn't need a blow-dry, pretty boy who wants to punch his ticket in a season or two. Green Bay is a blue-collar town and Herbst has a work ethic that reflects that. At this point in the year, it probably is better to make Herbst, interim HC and see what he can do. The candidate pool is small right now and due to COVID-19, it will slow the hire process. We won't have a new coach before July anyway at the earliest. If the program goes nowhere in 2020-2021, GB can find a new coach, and the players left on the roster have a better chance to transfer to a school which best fits their individual situations.
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Post by gonix on May 19, 2020 11:37:46 GMT -6
I agree that Herbst deserves a shot, did well coming back at W. ILL last year after Linc got tossed. If you don’t give him a shot or keep him, the roster will be down to 4 or 5 players for next year. GB will be in a complete rebuild. It will set the program back for the next 4 years for sure, and throw off your recruiting class numbers.
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Post by uscg2012 on May 19, 2020 11:53:00 GMT -6
Here's a couple of coaching hiring stories. I had just moved to Oklahoma when Tulsa University hired some unknown JUCO coach from a small town in west Texas. His team had managed to win the JUCO national title. Nolan Richardson brought five of his players with him to northeast Oklahoma. His first season as head coach of the Golden Hurricane they won the NIT crown. Then there's Marquette's improbable hiring of that guy from Belmont Abbey, a 1,200 student NAIA school in North Carolina. Al McGuire's teams had gone 6 & 18 and 7 & 21 the previous two seasons. Some recommendations for success? Dick Bennett's hire at GB came when I was living in Virginia and covering UVA basketball. From halfway across the country it looked like a weak hire of a career-high school and small college type coach who got lucky when he recruited Terry Porter. I Was wrong. Hiring is a crapshoot. Now that the Darner firing is done all we can do is wonder about the rebuild. The retention of current players and recruits is essential. Without that, you do not have a product. As a fan, we don't know all the insides of the Darner situation or the thought process that the AD and Chancellor went through. I've covered sports for decades and believe for the quickest step up for the GB program there needs to be continuity and a strong Wisconsin/Chicago base to the next hire. Also, this time of year and the pandemic makes things that much harder to bring together. As an assistant and small college head coach, I've seen some impressive recruiting and game coaching from Randall Herbst. I'd make him interim head coach with a shot at the permanent position. GB doesn't need a blow-dry, pretty boy who wants to punch his ticket in a season or two. Green Bay is a blue-collar town and Herbst has a work ethic that reflects that. At this point in the year, it probably is better to make Herbst, interim HC and see what he can do. The candidate pool is small right now and due to COVID-19, it will slow the hire process. We won't have a new coach before July anyway at the earliest. If the program goes nowhere in 2020-2021, GB can find a new coach, and the players left on the roster have a better chance to transfer to a school which best fits their individual situations. Decison should be made within the next few weeks. Per Terrance Thompson and a news article in the La Crosse newspaper. Charles Guthrie told him that.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 19, 2020 11:54:04 GMT -6
There is almost no way that the school would’ve made this move without having anyone in mind. I’m not as well read on the new chancellor, or even Guthrie, all that much. Are there names connected to them we should be aware of?
I saw some guy spamming on twitter to look at UWL’s head coach Kent Dernbach (?). That would be a disappointing hire, considering he barely has a career record above .500. However, he apparently has links to the new chancellor. I don’t buy this (I put the odds of this very nil) but the good ole boys system always seems to make things like this possible.
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Post by 4dogkat on May 19, 2020 12:10:29 GMT -6
So the Chancellor wants to go in a different direction but they are going to move up assistant.
Bad look for UWGB..... Especially if Darner truly was “blindsided” just as bad as some of the posts I’ve read about trying to get out of paying his contract.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 19, 2020 12:25:48 GMT -6
So the Chancellor wants to go in a different direction but they are going to move up assistant. Bad look for UWGB..... Especially if Darner truly was “blindsided” just as bad as some of the posts I’ve read about trying to get out of paying his contract. Yeah, all of the posts about looking at Herbst are absolute nonsense, given the context. He’s a fine coach, but it would literally make zero sense.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on May 19, 2020 12:45:00 GMT -6
Only way I see Herbst getting the job is if there is little to no buyout for Darner. Guthrie and Alexander do not have to pay him as much next year, may keep the roster mostly in tact, and do not have to commit to a long term plan withso much uncertainty. No worries of another year added to the back end of Darners deal as well. I doubt this happens but I would not rule it out in an off-season/climate like this.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 19, 2020 13:00:29 GMT -6
Herbst makes sense in terms of what the school owes the players and staff. It also allows the school to make a more measured decision for the long term future of the program. That's based on covering a number of D1 programs and having a few decades of management experience. And yes, I doubt GB goes with Herbst.
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Post by fansincebuss on May 19, 2020 19:06:19 GMT -6
Herbst makes sense in terms of what the school owes the players and staff. It also allows the school to make a more measured decision for the long term future of the program. That's based on covering a number of D1 programs and having a few decades of management experience. And yes, I doubt GB goes with Herbst. It makes sense which means we can likely rule it out since none of this makes any sense.
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