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Post by cuchillo on Mar 26, 2023 9:03:02 GMT -6
I have been puzzled on Donavan Short all season long leading up to what is now his departure. Him being recruited and signing on with GB was heralded here on this board and elsewhere as one of the most highly-regarded recruits in the history of the program. Let's assume he does NOT go elsewhere and become a superstar (which would of course raise other issues with our program in terms of talent recognition and development), I'm stumped as to how could the scouting be so wrong? I suppose playing at little Denmark High limits your exposure to more talented programs, but guys like D. Short partake in other games and workouts against big-time guys right? How could this process have been such a whiff? I was on the anti-Short train based on his performance as a senior at Denmark, which did not even reach the sectional that year. If you're all that you are making a deep tournament run in the lower divisions. All of the teams at state have high-end talent, even in D3 (Brillion and West Salem did this year for sure).
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Mar 26, 2023 9:26:47 GMT -6
There are like 50 days left for players to put there names in transfer portal window. The players left on the team are Zane short, Ryan Wade, Brayden Dailey, Amari Jedkins, Brock Heffner, Jack Rose. Those guys can. Then the incoming freshman Marcus Hall and Mac Wrecke. Can just reconsider there options decommit.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Mar 26, 2023 10:48:13 GMT -6
Now mac and Marcus we don’t what they are. I watched mac play in the state tournament. He had 17 points against cal klesmit Nennah team. And in the championship game against depere. And the current players well we find out when the 50 day transfer window is over if they have transferred or not. You hope they won’t. But Zane short might not stay now that his brother is gone.
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 26, 2023 11:34:43 GMT -6
I have been puzzled on Donavan Short all season long leading up to what is now his departure. Him being recruited and signing on with GB was heralded here on this board and elsewhere as one of the most highly-regarded recruits in the history of the program. Let's assume he does NOT go elsewhere and become a superstar (which would of course raise other issues with our program in terms of talent recognition and development), I'm stumped as to how could the scouting be so wrong? I suppose playing at little Denmark High limits your exposure to more talented programs, but guys like D. Short partake in other games and workouts against big-time guys right? How could this process have been such a whiff? I was on the anti-Short train based on his performance as a senior at Denmark, which did not even reach the sectional that year. If you're all that you are making a deep tournament run in the lower divisions. All of the teams at state have high-end talent, even in D3 (Brillion and West Salem did this year for sure). Nah, half of Denamarks rotation was players who weren't even good JV players. Short was good.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 26, 2023 11:40:14 GMT -6
Don Short has some nice foot work and he has some shooting range to the 3 point line.
He has the basics to make a good big man in D1. Hence the offers. His rating was inflated due to offers from bigger schools that actively recruit his AAU team.
With D Short he needs to add significant strength to his game. He plays below the rim and gets pushed around inside. If he had the strength to match his skill then he wouldn't have been in GB to begin with.
If he gets the strength and if he gets adjusted to the speed of D1 then I would expect him to develop into a rotation big man.
He needs to work really hard starting yesterday to get where he wants to be. Now that he is portaling and not looking to use the GB facilities anymore he is going to not be working nonstop on the things he needs to be for the next few months while he finds his next stop.
If there was ever a guy that needed to really believe in himself and lock into his off season it's him. He has potential but potential means nothing without nonstop development. Development that he may not get on his own.
Short said himself he couldn't commit 110% to something that wasn't a sure thing. That right there is the problem. This is a dive in head first moment. This is a believe in yourself and do the work moment. This is a guy that needs to do the work to get good. Wicks wants guys that believe it before they see it. Control what you can control by running from the work isn't going to get him where he wants to be IMO.
Honestly that is the biggest issue with a lot of this roster. They don't know what level of work is needed to be great. They haven't had a high level player on their team that worked like C Love or Sykes. Wardle was great about finding guys that want to live in the gym. It seems Wicks is looking for those guys too.
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Post by gbguy on Mar 26, 2023 12:04:44 GMT -6
Are you seriously believing this stuff Wicks is selling about giving Short a trial? That was nonsense. It says absolutely nothing about Short's work ethic that he decided to enter the portal after that conversation. He knew he was done at UWGB. And now posters like you can blame the local player instead of the coach.
Stop buying into these narratives.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 26, 2023 12:32:19 GMT -6
Who exactly is Wicks going to replace these guys with in two months after he cuts them?
He is really going to wait until May when the best players are already taken to then get rid of guys and replace them with guys that aren't his preferred options? The ticking clock that Short is afraid of works both ways.
I'm not telling you he wants Short or any of these guys on the team to stay. I'm telling you he smoked out the guys right away that want to be in basketball more than they believe they will be great at basketball.
Do you really believe he is going to spend two months working with guys and bonding with them and then say sorry but I'm sending you to the portal to them pick from the leftover guys in the portal at that time? I don't.
Any of the staff from 2022-23 would tell you most of these guys didn't live in the gym. I'm not supposed to believe them either?
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Mar 26, 2023 12:34:16 GMT -6
So hall and wrecke won’t reconsider decommitt. And the current guys won’t transfer in the 50 day transfer window they have left to transfer? Except for maybe zane short? And sonny wicks can start looking for new players. To fill in the five available scholarships.
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Post by gbguy on Mar 26, 2023 13:04:56 GMT -6
Who exactly is Wicks going to replace these guys with in two months after he cuts them? He is really going to wait until May when the best players are already taken to then get rid of guys and replace them with guys that aren't his preferred options? The ticking clock that Short is afraid of works both ways. I'm not telling you he wants Short or any of these guys on the team to stay. I'm telling you he smoked out the guys right away that want to be in basketball more than they believe they will be great at basketball. Do you really believe he is going to spend two months working with guys and bonding with them and then say sorry but I'm sending you to the portal to them pick from the leftover guys in the portal at that time? I don't. Any of the staff from 2022-23 would tell you most of these guys didn't live in the gym. I'm not supposed to believe them either? I have no problem with him telling guys that they need to move on. I’m just not buying the narrative that Short was going to be given a chance. And sure I can see Wicks doing exactly what you are suggesting after two and a half months. Long term commitments don’t really seem to be his strong suit.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 26, 2023 13:33:59 GMT -6
Who exactly is Wicks going to replace these guys with in two months after he cuts them? He is really going to wait until May when the best players are already taken to then get rid of guys and replace them with guys that aren't his preferred options? The ticking clock that Short is afraid of works both ways. I'm not telling you he wants Short or any of these guys on the team to stay. I'm telling you he smoked out the guys right away that want to be in basketball more than they believe they will be great at basketball. Do you really believe he is going to spend two months working with guys and bonding with them and then say sorry but I'm sending you to the portal to them pick from the leftover guys in the portal at that time? I don't. Any of the staff from 2022-23 would tell you most of these guys didn't live in the gym. I'm not supposed to believe them either? I have no problem with him telling guys that they need to move on. I’m just not buying the narrative that Short was going to be given a chance. And sure I can see Wicks doing exactly what you are suggesting after two and a half months. Long term commitments don’t really seem to be his strong suit. You didn't answer the question. Where is he going to get replacements from in May? If the remaining portal, JUCO and high school players in May are better than the guys GB would have after two months of work with the new coach then that says something about the players on the roster and his player development skills. In addition he isn't going to cut these guys in May and look like an a hole in every recruiting circle. From the guys that are unknowns, he is finding out in a week instead of 2 months if they have what he thinks it takes.
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Post by gbguy on Mar 26, 2023 13:44:30 GMT -6
Who says he has to get anyone in May?
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Mar 26, 2023 13:45:34 GMT -6
What ever you want to call it cut transfer Zane short is probably going to do that. The rest Ryan Wade, Brayden Dailey, Amari Jedkins, Jack Rose, Brock Heffner let’s hope those players don’t get cut. And incoming freshman Marcus Hall and Mac Wrecke don’t reconsider decommit.
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Post by uscg2012 on Mar 26, 2023 14:05:18 GMT -6
Who exactly is Wicks going to replace these guys with in two months after he cuts them? He is really going to wait until May when the best players are already taken to then get rid of guys and replace them with guys that aren't his preferred options? The ticking clock that Short is afraid of works both ways. I'm not telling you he wants Short or any of these guys on the team to stay. I'm telling you he smoked out the guys right away that want to be in basketball more than they believe they will be great at basketball. Do you really believe he is going to spend two months working with guys and bonding with them and then say sorry but I'm sending you to the portal to them pick from the leftover guys in the portal at that time? I don't. Any of the staff from 2022-23 would tell you most of these guys didn't live in the gym. I'm not supposed to believe them either? I have no problem with him telling guys that they need to move on. I’m just not buying the narrative that Short was going to be given a chance. And sure I can see Wicks doing exactly what you are suggesting after two and a half months. Long term commitments don’t really seem to be his strong suit. Welcome to the new age of college basketball there is no such thing as long term commitments anymore. This team needs get older and stronger in a hurry.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 26, 2023 14:14:12 GMT -6
Who says he has to get anyone in May? Let's see. He has 13 scholarships to use. Short and others are in those spots. If he does as you are suggesting he will cut these guys at the end of the trial period. Who then is going to fill these spots? Are you saying he isn't going to have a full roster? Or he is going to recruit guys now and say that you can't tell anyone for two months you are coming to GB because he has to fake give guys a chance and then cut them before you can commit. If his replacements announce they are coming now then nobody will stay for the trial. Either way Wicks will look bad. Yeah that isn't happening.
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Post by cuchillo on Mar 26, 2023 14:19:19 GMT -6
I was on the anti-Short train based on his performance as a senior at Denmark, which did not even reach the sectional that year. If you're all that you are making a deep tournament run in the lower divisions. All of the teams at state have high-end talent, even in D3 (Brillion and West Salem did this year for sure). Nah, half of Denamarks rotation was players who weren't even good JV players. Short was good. Sorry but I'm not buying it. If you are all that you should be able to get two wins against teams that also don't have very good players. Not a big ask. We will agree to disagree. I'm also amused at the gnashing of teeth on here over how Wicks allegedly handled this. With the portal, players can leave at any time. Yet a new coach is apparently supposed to hang on to players that contributed to a team of historically bad proportions? Please. If Ryan and Owens didn't play Short significant minutes even at the end with nothing at stake then that tells me more than anything Wicks has supposedly done.
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