pdf0427
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Post by pdf0427 on Mar 26, 2023 14:45:52 GMT -6
I don't see anything unbelievable or outrageous about a "give you a chance" narrative for Short. He did nothing on the court last year that says he should have an unquestioned spot on this roster. At the same time, you can't teach 6'10", so the idea that Wicks would want to see Short for himself before moving along makes sense to me.
To the best of my knowledge, Wicks isn't selling any narrative here. He hasn't said anything publicly. Short did. If there is a narrative to be believed, or to be doubted, it is Donovan's.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Mar 26, 2023 15:06:17 GMT -6
Correct, all fans have is speculation based on comments from the player transferring out. Is it fair to player or coach to go into overdrive on the reasons. Transfers without having to sit out has created a free for all, particularly with Mid-major programs. Heck, even the high major can have issues. A year ago at this time Kansas State only had two scholarship players on their roster. FYI, as of Monday there will be more than a thousand players in the college basketball transfer portal.
It will take awhile for the dust to settle. Fans should know something about the new staff this week. I have know idea when Wicks will start announcing the arrival of some recruits. My guess is there might be some hidden quality in the D2 and under recruited JUCO ranks.
I'm sure having 14.5 inches of late winter snow fall on the campus made for some delays in the whole rebuild process.
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Post by gbguy on Mar 26, 2023 15:09:55 GMT -6
I have no problem with him telling guys that they need to move on. I’m just not buying the narrative that Short was going to be given a chance. And sure I can see Wicks doing exactly what you are suggesting after two and a half months. Long term commitments don’t really seem to be his strong suit. Welcome to the new age of college basketball there is no such thing as long term commitments anymore. This team needs get older and stronger in a hurry. And that’s fine. Just not going to drink the Kool Aid like GBPhoenix1.
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Post by fansincebuss on Mar 26, 2023 15:11:13 GMT -6
I have no problem with him telling guys that they need to move on. I’m just not buying the narrative that Short was going to be given a chance. And sure I can see Wicks doing exactly what you are suggesting after two and a half months. Long term commitments don’t really seem to be his strong suit. Welcome to the new age of college basketball there is no such thing as long term commitments anymore. This team needs get older and stronger in a hurry. Watching Creighton and San Diego St, the 7'1" kid from Creighton reminds me of Alec Brown and made me think. What would be the odds of keeping a player like Brown for 4 years in the era of easy transfers and NIL money?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 26, 2023 17:30:30 GMT -6
Welcome to the new age of college basketball there is no such thing as long term commitments anymore. This team needs get older and stronger in a hurry. And that’s fine. Just not going to drink the Kool Aid like GBPhoenix1. You should drink something that helps you look at what is going on and make an informed contribution to the board. I didn't say I liked what is happening, that is your assumption...
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Post by doublej on Mar 26, 2023 20:57:01 GMT -6
Welcome to the new age of college basketball there is no such thing as long term commitments anymore. This team needs get older and stronger in a hurry. Watching Creighton and San Diego St, the 7'1" kid from Creighton reminds me of Alec Brown and made me think. What would be the odds of keeping a player like Brown for 4 years in the era of easy transfers and NIL money? I would doubt that players like Nordgaard, Kiefer Sykes or Alec Brown would have stayed their entire playing career. Young kids and their families are not going to pass up getting paid. Money should not be the only driver in the college decision. Just looking at the best years for Wisconsin from the end of Bo's tenure to the start of Gard's, just about half of the final 4 rotation of players wouldn't have been on the roster. Ben Brust barley played as a freshman Same thing for Vitto Brown Duje Dukan didn't get enough minutes off the bench until his Senior year and knew going into his Junior year he was never going to start a game Dekker was annoyed with Bo and tuned him out as a Sophomore Frank was harassed at practice his first few years and for a period of time during practice Bo would yell at any player if they passed the ball to him on offense if the shot clock was under 10 seconds Chances are, all these players would have left and hit the portal. Depressing to think about but probably reality
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gbguy
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Post by gbguy on Mar 27, 2023 6:54:29 GMT -6
Watching Creighton and San Diego St, the 7'1" kid from Creighton reminds me of Alec Brown and made me think. What would be the odds of keeping a player like Brown for 4 years in the era of easy transfers and NIL money? I would doubt that players like Nordgaard, Kiefer Sykes or Alec Brown would have stayed their entire playing career. Young kids and their families are not going to pass up getting paid. Money should not be the only driver in the college decision. Just looking at the best years for Wisconsin from the end of Bo's tenure to the start of Gard's, just about half of the final 4 rotation of players wouldn't have been on the roster. Ben Brust barley played as a freshman Same thing for Vitto Brown Duje Dukan didn't get enough minutes off the bench until his Senior year and knew going into his Junior year he was never going to start a game Dekker was annoyed with Bo and tuned him out as a Sophomore Frank was harassed at practice his first few years and for a period of time during practice Bo would yell at any player if they passed the ball to him on offense if the shot clock was under 10 seconds Chances are, all these players would have left and hit the portal. Depressing to think about but probably reality I don't think its a given that players like Brust would leave just because they don't play much as freshmen. Good coaches are going to modify their styles and show players what they can grow to. The best coaches will retain those players and built a team from them.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Mar 27, 2023 15:30:24 GMT -6
Players have until may 11th to transfer. I would be shocked zane short is on next years team. But hey anything is possible. Just given what happened to Donovan. Who knows right? Unless people on here have insider information on the shorts? We might not know if Zane has transfer until may 11th? Or maybe we will know before then?
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Post by uscg2012 on Mar 27, 2023 15:33:51 GMT -6
Players have until may 11th to transfer. I would be shocked zane short is on next years team. But hey anything is possible. Just given what happened to Donovan. Who knows right? Unless people on here have insider information on the shorts? Zane wasn’t a scholarship player so what ever happens to him won’t affect our roster next year.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Mar 27, 2023 15:34:33 GMT -6
But he was or is still a walk on the team. He doesn’t affect scholarship numbers. But he could affect how well the team does. I am going to assume that no one else besides Zane would transfer. But who knows. Maybe everyone transfers all the scholarship guys and mac and Marcus.
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Post by bayballer on Mar 27, 2023 15:43:03 GMT -6
But he was or is still a walk on the team. He doesn’t affect scholarship numbers. But he could affect how well the team does. I am going to assume that no one else besides Zane would transfer. But who knows. Maybe everyone transfers all the scholarship guys and mac and Marcus. Walk on’s don’t affect how good a team is. They’re lucky if they see garbage time minutes.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Mar 27, 2023 15:51:19 GMT -6
May 11 is like 45 days that’s when the transfer portal window closes. and it’s like anything can happen before then. But with all the transfers that have already happened. You aren’t really starting from scratch. In the Green Bay press gazette. It said Clarence Cummings there was good possibility he is coming back. So that’s one old player. Does he want get rid of Zane short, Ryan Wade, brock heffner, Amari Jedkins, Jack Rose? The incoming freshman Marcus and mac?
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 27, 2023 17:21:59 GMT -6
But he was or is still a walk on the team. He doesn’t affect scholarship numbers. But he could affect how well the team does. I am going to assume that no one else besides Zane would transfer. But who knows. Maybe everyone transfers all the scholarship guys and mac and Marcus. Walk on’s don’t affect how good a team is. They’re lucky if they see garbage time minutes. True, but there's more than just game day production. Walk ons help produce useful practices,especially if the team is hit with injury, which has been the case the last few years.
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Post by bayballer on Mar 27, 2023 19:11:37 GMT -6
Walk on’s don’t affect how good a team is. They’re lucky if they see garbage time minutes. True, but there's more than just game day production. Walk ons help produce useful practices,especially if the team is hit with injury, which has been the case the last few years. I agree they have value, but I’m not at all concerned with who might be walk ons next season when we aren’t even close to having a full roster of scholarship players at the moment.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Mar 27, 2023 20:06:28 GMT -6
So does that mean Zane short is transferring?
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