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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 24, 2012 16:33:18 GMT -6
If Wichman is as a good of a shooter as RD says then GB needs to take a hard look, this current roster really struggles at times. With that said in the class that Wichman is in I think another big man and another point guard are more important. Heuer, Brown and Turner will be seniors so getting another big makes sense. Johnson will be a senior and sykes a junior so I can see getting another point guard. I don't agree with everything coach Wardle does but a 4 for 5 makes more sense for GB.
As for the attendance let me just add this. I didn't renew my tickets this year for two reasons:
First I kept getting moved back even though I renewed every year. I was told full season ticket holders had priority over partial. Makes sense I guess but I don't see how when overall attendance is down they can say season ticket holders are up. Then again I have Bucks and Brewers tickets for partial seasons and my seats never get down graded due to full season demand.
Second reason is nobody even asked me to renew. I never received a phone call or an email. It did get the brochure but for me I was already annoyed that I was being downgraded every year, so I wasn't going to go out of my way. I know the athletic department is limited on resources but ticket sales seems like a nice internship or part time student job. They have my name, address, phone number and email address. If you want attendance to grow then someone should be working this information. Right now they have ticket order takers but no ticket sales. rant over
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Post by can opener man on Jan 24, 2012 17:34:29 GMT -6
The low attendence has more to do with not winning. I don't think it has anything to do wiht the type of players we have. Just too young and inexpereinced.
The more TK won the better the attendence got.
BW has a young team this year, as they get better and win more, more people will go.
Basketball fans anxiously watch the box scores each year, waiting for the return of the Dick Bennett days.
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Is it just me or was that article written in a negative tone towards the current state of the mens team? In all of Kowalcycks years, I never seen a negative tone, even in the early years when they weren't winning.
Its a tough choice, Cole Stefan is the same position and how is the coaching staff evaluating his medical status and chance of stepping in, the answer to that must be playing a big factor. Maybe with the crowded sophomore class, someone will transfer. that usually happens when one class is too big.
As an armchair college basketball coach, I'm not sure I could pass on a talent like Cole Stefan, if the possiblity presented itself.
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Post by hoops on Jan 24, 2012 18:43:02 GMT -6
"The inability of GB to get the Koch brothers was squarely on TK and his disjointed recruiting philosophy versus the system he was trying to run....."
TK not getting the Koch brothers to even take an officical visit had nothing to do with his system he ran.
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Post by hoops on Jan 24, 2012 20:07:18 GMT -6
Besides Rob D, what do others think of the offer?
There is a lot to like about Wichman. I am partial to good, pure shooters and gym rats, both of which describe him. If your team is balanced or complete enough, having a couple of excellent shooters can be a tremendous asset. However, in today's landscape you really need have a roster full of as many complete players as possible.
IMO, after BW offered Wichman, he should have kept going down the hall and done the same to Brevin Pritzl.
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 25, 2012 7:03:36 GMT -6
The low attendence has more to do with not winning. I don't think it has anything to do with the type of players we have. Just too young and inexpereinced. I agree. Heideman had local talent, but the attendance took a nosedive during his tenure. Bringing in high-major teams also skews the attendance upward. With Marquette visiting next year and Wisconsin and Virginia visiting the year after, the last thing we should be worried about is attendance.
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 25, 2012 7:10:37 GMT -6
Is it just me or was that article written in a negative tone towards the current state of the mens team? In all of Kowalcycks years, I never seen a negative tone, even in the early years when they weren't winning. Yes, I've noticed that too. It's never comparing Wardle to the Bennett era either. It's always a comparison of Wardle to Kowalczyk. I'm surprised the writer continues to beat that drum. I wonder why he doesn't compare the GB team to TK's Toledo team? Both coaches took over rebuilding projects. Kowalczyk should be ahead because of the talent he stole from GB, but Wardle's team is clearly better, with a much brighter future.
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 25, 2012 7:16:38 GMT -6
Besides Rob D, what do others think of the offer? I like the offer, but I think I'm one of the few to see him play. I've seen him 3 times now. I really like him, he can do more than just shoot. He can handle it and pass too. I think everyone else will get a chance to see him play in the state tourney this year, as they've slid down to D2 this year. I could see a championship game of Wichman versus Nick Arenz and Matt Thomas.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Jan 25, 2012 9:35:15 GMT -6
I wouldn't call Rob D a reporter. As close as that gets is he works for the PG. GB BB is Back is correct. If he wants to compare programs then compare Toledo to GB. As most know I have strong respect for the Bennet's, Dick, Jack and Tony as coaches, but using any of them to compare Wardle to is unfair after 1 1/2 seasons. When we start to win consistly attendance will get better. But this program was gutted by TK and now is in it's infancy, young men need to grow and learn. They all came from winning programs and I hope they are upset with the results so far this year. I would be negative if they accepted losing as the norm. I'll be there Thursday cheering them on.
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Post by can opener man on Jan 25, 2012 11:12:28 GMT -6
My favorite part is that in the article the proposed recruiting issue was brought up.
lets look at it from a talent prospective, we have ESPN rated prospects on this roster, they just dont have 2 full years expereince yet.
------------------------------'12'13 yr Alec Brown 89....................jr Brennan Cougil 88..............sr Terry Johnson 88.................jr Arenz 86..............................fr Fouse 88..............................fr Cole 90................................so
the -11 class was filled with players with high ceilings
How many players did kowalcyzk get at that level.
Even the evans, tillema, schatner trio, didn't really emerge as a team, until their junior years. As a team that could be top 100 RPI.
With that said, it looks like certian data was put in that article to make the program "appear" a certain way, and the positive info was withheld.
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 25, 2012 12:20:24 GMT -6
In Rob Demovsky's defense, it's his job to write a column that gets a reaction from the reader that gets people talking. It appears he has succeeded. All publicity is good publicity. Slanting an article negatively when the readers are feeling upbeat works, just like positive slanted articles always brought a reaction during the Kowaczyk era.
A negatively slanted story actually seems to increase Phoenix fandom.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Jan 25, 2012 12:52:56 GMT -6
Well put robbiedee, we have some nice years coming up.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Jan 26, 2012 12:52:24 GMT -6
Programming note: Wichmann and Pulaski will be playing Green Bay Notre Dame tomorrow night on WACY in Green Bay (for me its channel 32, not sure about what it is on Time Warner or Charter)
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Post by siggy on Jan 31, 2012 17:18:00 GMT -6
Dont we have a remaining scholorship for the 2012 class that we could pocket and give to Wichman for the 2013 class? Granted we would loose out on having another player for next year, but we do have stefan not on scholorship starting in the 2nd semester that will play, assuming no setbacks happen to him. If wichman is such a must get then they should consider doing that.
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Post by markus31x on Jan 31, 2012 18:05:58 GMT -6
I think the X factor is Cole Stefan. Sounds like the coaching staff wants to give him a scholarship but it all depends on his concussion status.
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Post by hoops on Jan 31, 2012 21:18:14 GMT -6
I like Rob Demovsky a lot, but the "must get" tag was his and the Press-Gazette's opinion.
CW is a very good shooter, has a high IQ and loves the game. Would he contribute? Absolutely. The better the program becomes, and the talent level improves, the better career he would have.
There is no question Green Bay needs shooters, however he would not step on the floor for 2 1/2 more years, so he would not supplement that need for awhile. Should they be targeting a more complete player? That's the debate that usually plays out on message boards.
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