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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 21, 2022 17:43:16 GMT -6
There is a video clip on GB social media of the entire bench standing and cheering in the second half as Brock scored for an and one.
Yeah they went quiet when they got their butt kicked later. It doesn't mean they have all quit on the season.
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Post by cuchillo on Nov 21, 2022 17:48:18 GMT -6
The common fallacy amongst college sports fans is all guys their teams sign will be good to start and get better. It doesn't matter where you get the players from, some will be good and some won't. Some will get better and some won't. Will going the high school route is his core strategy for the long term yet in this season the three leading scorers are new to the team from JUCO ranks. UIC and UDM are two teams that come to mind that have gone with the new school methods and they've accomplished nothing. NKU and Northern Iowa do a lot with high school recruiting in this era and are very competitive. This is just more BS spreading to try and force this issue. The method of player acquisition is less important than what you do once you have the players. Yeah we don't have anything to prove he will get over the hump but even in 2022 there is nothing wrong with getting HS players. This is an excellent post. There is a difference between building a team and building a program. The problem many have is there is no tangible progress in the program-building department. Next year's recruiting class is solid but as freshmen that's a big ask to get them to carry most of the load.
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Post by cuchillo on Nov 21, 2022 17:49:37 GMT -6
There is a video clip on GB social media of the entire bench standing and cheering in the second half as Brock scored for an and one. Yeah they went quiet when they got their butt kicked later. It doesn't mean they have all quit on the season. Why is there no box score and recap on the website? Did UWGB and Utah Valley agree not to publicize statistics?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 21, 2022 17:57:21 GMT -6
Linc Darner was not fired so that the program could hire Will Ryan's kid. I repeat Linc Darner was not fired to hire Will Ryan's kid.
That is what happened but not what was intended. The over confidence of previous leadership to make a huge move late in the off season during a pandemic and without much in the way of outside help to drum of candidates put GB in a situation where a flyer on Will Ryan seemed like the best solution at the time.
We had a final candidate pool that included 3 other guys who have not interviewed for another D1 head job since.
The current results speak for themselves but this continual nepotism chatter is silly.
If you include Gary G the main candidates were two guys to please Dick Bennett backers, a throwback to Wardle era success and the athletic directors buddy.
Ernie Zeigler, Gregg Gottlieb and some D2 guy the knew the Bennett's we're other names floated. Literally nobody applied because they didn't want to lose to the local D3 guy. When he turned the job down the program had to pivot and make the best of a bad situation.
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Post by cuchillo on Nov 21, 2022 18:31:05 GMT -6
Linc Darner was not fired so that the program could hire Will Ryan's kid. I repeat Linc Darner was not fired to hire Will Ryan's kid. That is what happened but not what was intended. The over confidence of previous leadership to make a huge move late in the off season during a pandemic and without much in the way of outside help to drum of candidates put GB in a situation where a flyer on Will Ryan seemed like the best solution at the time. We had a final candidate pool that included 3 other guys who have not interviewed for another D1 head job since. The current results speak for themselves but this continual nepotism chatter is silly. If you include Gary G the main candidates were two guys to please Dick Bennett backers, a throwback to Wardle era success and the athletic directors buddy. Ernie Zeigler, Gregg Gottlieb and some D2 guy the knew the Bennett's we're other names floated. Literally nobody applied because they didn't want to lose to the local D3 guy. When he turned the job down the program had to pivot and make the best of a bad situation. Which speaks to Charles Guthrie's ability as an athletic director, or lack thereof. I'm pretty sure Owen Ryan isn't ready for the job. (I knew what you meant, but I couldn't resist.)
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 21, 2022 18:49:35 GMT -6
Would you believe I was speaking of William "Bo" Ryan? That might be the worst typo in the history of the board ha!
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Post by barnzoboy on Nov 21, 2022 19:05:43 GMT -6
The common fallacy amongst college sports fans is all guys their teams sign will be good to start and get better. It doesn't matter where you get the players from, some will be good and some won't. Some will get better and some won't. Will going the high school route is his core strategy for the long term yet in this season the three leading scorers are new to the team from JUCO ranks. UIC and UDM are two teams that come to mind that have gone with the new school methods and they've accomplished nothing. NKU and Northern Iowa do a lot with high school recruiting in this era and are very competitive. This is just more BS spreading to try and force this issue. The method of player acquisition is less important than what you do once you have the players. Yeah we don't have anything to prove he will get over the hump but even in 2022 there is nothing wrong with getting HS players. That sounds fair enough - hopefully we see more minutes from those high school recruits as the season goes on.
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Post by gbtruther on Nov 22, 2022 17:05:52 GMT -6
The common fallacy amongst college sports fans is all guys their teams sign will be good to start and get better. It doesn't matter where you get the players from, some will be good and some won't. Some will get better and some won't. Will going the high school route is his core strategy for the long term yet in this season the three leading scorers are new to the team from JUCO ranks. UIC and UDM are two teams that come to mind that have gone with the new school methods and they've accomplished nothing. NKU and Northern Iowa do a lot with high school recruiting in this era and are very competitive. This is just more BS spreading to try and force this issue. The method of player acquisition is less important than what you do once you have the players. Yeah we don't have anything to prove he will get over the hump but even in 2022 there is nothing wrong with getting HS players. This is an excellent post. There is a difference between building a team and building a program. The problem many have is there is no tangible progress in the program-building department. Next year's recruiting class is solid but as freshmen that's a big ask to get them to carry most of the load. I agree with everything GBPhoenix1 said as well. My problem is that no one that he brings in from the high school ranks is showing any progress or contributing much. IMO it doesnt really matter where you get talent from. Just put a good product on the court. All of these recruits would struggle to make a rotation on most mid major teams.
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Post by hudsonhawk on Nov 24, 2022 1:59:18 GMT -6
The biggest problem with this team is that the system doesn't fit the talent. they are not very good in the half court game. They don't space the floor and there is no movement, but they are good at running the fast break. Why not speed up the play. Play fast, up tempo for 40 minutes. I think that it will lead to better and maybe they will play better defense. If something is not working it is the coaches job to make adjustments or do what ever it takes to win or at least to be competitive,besides that is why they play the non conference to figure things out. maybe it is time he creates his own system. The choice is his, the team needs wins and he needs fans in the stands.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 28, 2022 10:48:23 GMT -6
I stand by my thoughts on it doesn’t matter where Will Ryan finds players from. However, one thing that is really hurting GB is that he hasn’t been able to find and retain many bigger and stronger impact guards. Here is the list of guys Will Ryan has given a scholarship to during his tenure:
Year One: Cem Kirciman Manny Ansong
Year Two: Lucas Steiber Ryan Claflin Nate Jenkins Mitch Listau Randy Tucker Kamari McGee Cade Meyer Brayden Dailey Don Ivory Tutu Majok
Year Three: Don Short Garren Davis Clarence Cummings Zae Blake Davin Zeigler Amari Jedkins Jack Rose Brock Heffner
Year Four: Cal Klesmit Mac Wrecke Marcus Hall
Ignoring the high majors so far, the other four teams usually had some bigger, stronger and highly skilled guards. The following guys fit that description and had very nice games against GB. UIC had Jace Carter. Utah Valley had Trey Woodbury and Cam Alford. Queens had Kenny Dye and AJ McKee. Indiana State had Trenton Gibson and Courvoisier McCauley.
Bringing this back to the scholarship list above, GB has had very few guys built like that. The guys they have had that are built like that either didn’t stay or are struggling overall right now. Down the road Klesmit and Wrecke probably help in this regard. However, if GB wants to start winning games soon they need to look no further than figuring out a way to solve this issue ASAP.
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Post by uscg2012 on Dec 29, 2022 21:16:03 GMT -6
I change my stance.
There is no way that Coach Ryan should be retained after this year. The university will need to find the money to buy the contract off and move on. WE NEED TO WIN NOW. No more excuses. If the University is serious about “Rising” then you they need to make a move. Sponsorships come a lot easier with a winning program.
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Post by gonix on Dec 29, 2022 23:12:15 GMT -6
The best thing for this program is to have this staff play all money games next year and build a small surplus of money to help hire a new coach. This is a bottom 10 program in the country with a coach that never deserved this job.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 29, 2022 23:54:40 GMT -6
I change my stance. There is no way that Coach Ryan should be retained after this year. The university will need to find the money to buy the contract off and move on. WE NEED TO WIN NOW. No more excuses. If the University is serious about “Rising” then you they need to make a move. Sponsorships come a lot easier with a winning program. I’m glad y’all are finally coming around. Why even wait till the end of the year?! Unless there is some massive financial penalty, just cut the cord now. Hell, we could all rotate and have a turn at coaching for a game, we quite literally couldn’t be any worse.
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Post by hudsonhawk on Dec 30, 2022 0:15:54 GMT -6
Who do you want hired as the new coach? It took Dick Bennett 5 years to get to the first post season. Dick Bennett had a plan and he stuck with it and every coach has a style of play. Bennett had the mover blocker offense and the pack line defense. Bo Ryan had the swing offense and I am not sure what kind of defense he used. What is Will Ryan's style of play? Dammed if I know. Kevin Borseth is a defensive first coach and he is successful and So was DB. Will Ryan is not and so far is a failure so far. Since the offense struggles to score 60 points a game that means they have to keep the game in the high to mid 50's to win. That is just the reality of this team moving forward. At least challenge the team to play better defense.
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Post by barnzoboy on Dec 30, 2022 9:23:00 GMT -6
I change my stance. There is no way that Coach Ryan should be retained after this year. The university will need to find the money to buy the contract off and move on. WE NEED TO WIN NOW. No more excuses. If the University is serious about “Rising” then you they need to make a move. Sponsorships come a lot easier with a winning program. I’m glad y’all are finally coming around. Why even wait till the end of the year?! Unless there is some massive financial penalty, just cut the cord now. Hell, we could all rotate and have a turn at coaching for a game, we quite literally couldn’t be any worse. I like this idea of each of us taking the helm for one game - I call dibs on the IUPUI game. If we cannot physically make it to the game site, we can set up a large monitor on the coaches chair and coach via a Zoom call. Also, since it will likely be meaningful in removing his name from the recordbooks as the worst season in program history, let's have Coach Dick Lien come in and coach the finale.
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