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Post by kmell822 on Nov 18, 2022 20:33:30 GMT -6
The sad reality is that Will Ryan is not going anywhere anytime soon. As much as i would like to see this disaster end, we are going to have to deal with it. Its amazing that the program had a problem with Linc Darner finishing top half of the horizon every year, so lets just bring in a guy to finish bottom 3. Lets hope we are all wrong and he can somehow turn it around but it isnt promising with them continuing to get worse each year. agreed on all counts
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Nov 18, 2022 23:13:21 GMT -6
Two things that make this type of talk silly at this time. 1. Let's just say they made a change when the plane lands in the USA. They aren't hiring a new coach until the spring. The replacement would just be one of the existing coaches who will likely be coaching the same thing. 2. Lots of the lurkers on this board are players, family or friends of players and people in the athletic department. So you aren't venting without it directly reaching the people who need the support. I've posted it in two different threads already. Scream your head off in March if things don't get better. Self-censorship, by fans of all people, for the sake of prospective players and their family’s feelings, is a bit much. It’s part of being a high profile athlete/coach. If you can’t take critiques, you probably shouldn’t be in this business. My brother, many moons ago, played professional baseball in the minor leagues. I can tell you that he would read Twitter and other forums online but not once, ever, did some random person’s opinion ever get to him. In this case, majority of the criticism is aimed at the coach, who is a grown man, making a very good salary, on public funds, and is not performing. Holding back, honestly, is just tacit approval of mediocrity, which would hurt the program in the long run. I’ll also say, I know a handful of former recent players, one being a good friend of mine, and they think the direction the program is headed in is an absolute joke.
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Post by cuchillo on Nov 18, 2022 23:28:49 GMT -6
Earning positive support is fine. However, there is a middle ground you skipped past. You could just say nothing. You went straight to blow up the season posting and I think that's gross. I think if nothing else the guys on the team deserve better than that. I've been critical of the direction things are going - anyone could see that this was possible already in the St. Norbert game. However, I agree with the point that Ryan isn't likely to be fired after this season. While the criticisms of the current state of affairs are valid, going George Steinbrenner all the time and axing coaches capriciously isn't going to get you very far, either.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 19, 2022 5:17:09 GMT -6
Two things that make this type of talk silly at this time. 1. Let's just say they made a change when the plane lands in the USA. They aren't hiring a new coach until the spring. The replacement would just be one of the existing coaches who will likely be coaching the same thing. 2. Lots of the lurkers on this board are players, family or friends of players and people in the athletic department. So you aren't venting without it directly reaching the people who need the support. I've posted it in two different threads already. Scream your head off in March if things don't get better. Self-censorship, by fans of all people, for the sake of prospective players and their family’s feelings, is a bit much. It’s part of being a high profile athlete/coach. If you can’t take critiques, you probably shouldn’t be in this business. My brother, many moons ago, played professional baseball in the minor leagues. I can tell you that he would read Twitter and other forums online but not once, ever, did some random person’s opinion ever get to him. In this case, majority of the criticism is aimed at the coach, who is a grown man, making a very good salary, on public funds, and is not performing. Holding back, honestly, is just tacit approval of mediocrity, which would hurt the program in the long run. I’ll also say, I know a handful of former recent players, one being a good friend of mine, and they think the direction the program is headed in is an absolute joke. Your brother many moons ago says it all. People believe what they read. In today's era players have easy access to departing. There isn't much in the way of coverage for this program. The current narrative you are creating is fire the coach and start over. Which is signaling to anyone involved I need to look out for me. That is telling guys get ready to leave. That is telling guys to go JUCO mode and put up stats above anything. In it's simplest form it is telling guys you don't support them. If that is the kind of fan you are well then we might need some new fans. Everyone knows that losing isn't acceptable, it is a performance business and expectations of winning are already understood. Having this discussion drag on after any loss is a nuclear option that isn't helpful. The only people it helps at this time are a few adults behind a keyboard vent their frustration. That is the bigger joke than what Paris Taylor thinks of the program.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Nov 19, 2022 7:53:43 GMT -6
What is parris Taylor’s username? He did play for Will Ryan so his opinion should matter.
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Post by kmell822 on Nov 19, 2022 8:05:32 GMT -6
Earning positive support is fine. However, there is a middle ground you skipped past. You could just say nothing. You went straight to blow up the season posting and I think that's gross. I think if nothing else the guys on the team deserve better than that. Unfortunately potential recruits are reading this also. In fairness to the other posters who are half empty people(realists?), the recruits can read the scores and come to their own conclusions.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Nov 19, 2022 8:32:23 GMT -6
What is parris Taylor’s username? He did play for Will Ryan so his opinion should matter. He’s trying to have a “gotcha moment.” I’ve spoken to Paris about this, but he’s not who I was referencing as a good friend in my other post.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Nov 19, 2022 9:07:08 GMT -6
So parris Taylor doesn’t post on here?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 19, 2022 9:21:23 GMT -6
It's not a gotcha moment. I was told in this thread it's okay to throw shade at grown adults and they should be able take any heat regardless of its fact or fiction. I was going with the flow.
The only player opinions that really matter are the 14 guys on the team.
I respect the contributions of all of the players that have come before and yet those guys aren't here everyday now and know what's going on now.
Saying former guys are concerned is a cheap way to try and add credit to a position in this discussion. It doesn't provide context of their involvement level with the program now, if they left on good terms or were here for a different staff. Yeah everyone wants more than 13 wins in the last two plus seasons. You don't have to have been a former star or scrub to want that and see that needs to improve by a lot.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 19, 2022 9:26:56 GMT -6
I read on this board that the new GB offensive system crowds one side of the floor.
Yet I don't see anyone commenting that Queens was using that same offense for parts of the game.
GB has 14 guys new to the offense vs a bunch of guys in the same system. Like I keep saying let's see what happens as the season goes on and the guys get better at reading the defense. The offense isn't a set play, it has principles and guys need to get used to what to do in situations. I see layers being added but it's important to remember they don't have any continuity carrying over from last year in this system.
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Post by cuchillo on Nov 19, 2022 9:46:48 GMT -6
I read on this board that the new GB offensive system crowds one side of the floor. Yet I don't see anyone commenting that Queens was using that same offense for parts of the game. GB has 14 guys new to the offense vs a bunch of guys in the same system. Like I keep saying let's see what happens as the season goes on and the guys get better at reading the defense. The offense isn't a set play, it has principles and guys need to get used to what to do in situations. I see layers being added but it's important to remember they don't have any continuity carrying over from last year in this system. Your point is valid, but no matter what offense you are running you have to knock down open looks on a fairly consistent basis if you want to win games.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 19, 2022 10:12:17 GMT -6
No doubt they have to make shots.
The coaches need to keep teaching on how the guys can get open in shots they feel confident with. The players then have to make the shots. I highly doubt either part of the equation want something less. I am patiently waiting to see if that happens. I am encouraging everyone else here to be as well.
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Post by uscg2012 on Nov 19, 2022 11:17:59 GMT -6
Sure I’ll play along. Just to lead off, I believe Coach Ryan is safe this year and then next year as well. If things are still bad then I believe we will move on. I really hope we can turn it around and that starts trmw against a tough Utah Valley squad.
So to my candidate if we have to get to that point. Josh Moon just came from Northern State University and while he was there he hired Saul Phillips former Ohio head coach. Has ties to Wisconsin and has a proven to be a winner at the D1 level. This is just my guess on what would happen. (Yes I know Coach Ryan was an assistant under Coach Phillips, talk about awkward lol)
This has been a tough 2 1/2 years for me as a Green Bay fan. I want to see us turn it around under Coach Ryan cause if we don’t then we start another rebuild process which will take another 3 years.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Nov 19, 2022 14:48:31 GMT -6
Coach Ryan is safe next year- only due to the Covid situation setting him back two years. Is he safe after next year? Hell no. This team now has plenty of pieces he is fully responsible for and by spring 2024, a glimpse of what can be needs to be established. IMO this team getting close or getting to double digit wins will go a long ways for this staff- IMO, they might not get to the 5 wins the team last year did. He is recruiting the state better but is he recruiting at a level to compete at the mid major level? We will know much more in a year plus.
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Post by bayballer on Nov 19, 2022 16:36:31 GMT -6
All I’m looking for this season is to see improvement. Even if that only means 8-10 wins. Then next season hopefully we can finish in the top 5 in the horizon and continue building upon that for the following season. As much as I hate bringing his name up, a great example is Wardle at Bradley. He only won 5 games his first season there, but his teams kept improving and by year four he took them to the ncaa tournament. That’s what I’m looking for from Ryan, show me we’re heading in the right direction and I’ll be satisfied. This season hasn’t gotten off to a good start and things seem to look the same, but almost all the remaining games (except for the pac 12 games) should be winnable. He’ll have plenty of chances to improve on last years win total, but if he only finishes around 5 wins again, it will just about confirm to me that he’s not the guy for this program.
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