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Post by FSCMocFan on Apr 24, 2015 13:47:56 GMT -6
I've seen two youtube clips on Joe Mooney in full now including the one I linked before.
He needs an offer and soon. Definitely a "Linc" style player with much potential.
(It's O.K. with me if you want to move the Joe Mooney posts over to a different thread.)
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 24, 2015 15:33:56 GMT -6
I guess i don't see the mobility or athleticism you do in Riley. I thought he looked very average in that department, combine that with a 5'6 frame and I think he would have an extremely hard time making shots over average sized guards that are a half foot taller than him. Seemed to me like he has no problem doing the exact same thing in HS, guys were a foot taller and still couldn't guard him. His near 40 PPG isn't a fluke, it's a very telling stat that cannot be overlooked.Clearly it can be overlooked since he has no D1 offers. He is tiny and I don't mean Kiefer Sykes tiny, I mean boyishly tiny. Weak frame would get beat up at the D1 level. Again, city conference plays zero defense so those stats are enhance quite a bit. Lets get on board with the Mooney brothers!
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Post by knightlife920 on Apr 24, 2015 20:04:38 GMT -6
Seemed to me like he has no problem doing the exact same thing in HS, guys were a foot taller and still couldn't guard him. His near 40 PPG isn't a fluke, it's a very telling stat that cannot be overlooked.Clearly it can be overlooked since he has no D1 offers. He is tiny and I don't mean Kiefer Sykes tiny, I mean boyishly tiny. Weak frame would get beat up at the D1 level. Again, city conference plays zero defense so those stats are enhance quite a bit. Lets get on board with the Mooney brothers! It has been overlooked but it shouldn't. If his scoring was merely a product of his conference then why were there no other guys near his average? Give the guy a chance, we have 5 open scholarships for gods sake, I'm sure he could be productive. The kid can do more than shoot too... The Mooneys don't really excite me. Sure a decent shooter wouldn't be the worst thing to add to the team, but to add two guys who can only shoot doesn't do a whole lot. It's odd because you want athleticism and scoring but you're the first to pass up Riley and the first to jump on board with the Mooneys. I don't understand how adding a slow lanky kid like Joe Mooney would be any better than Riley. You honestly make no sense. I think you simply want to just contradict whatever I say which makes you look like a fool.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 24, 2015 20:25:55 GMT -6
Clearly it can be overlooked since he has no D1 offers. He is tiny and I don't mean Kiefer Sykes tiny, I mean boyishly tiny. Weak frame would get beat up at the D1 level. Again, city conference plays zero defense so those stats are enhance quite a bit. Lets get on board with the Mooney brothers! It has been overlooked but it shouldn't. If his scoring was merely a product of his conference then why were there no other guys near his average? Give the guy a chance, we have 5 open scholarships for gods sake, I'm sure he could be productive. The kid can do more than shoot too... The Mooneys don't really excite me. Sure a decent shooter wouldn't be the worst thing to add to the team, but to add two guys who can only shoot doesn't do a whole lot. It's odd because you want athleticism and scoring but you're the first to pass up Riley and the first to jump on board with the Mooneys. I don't understand how adding a slow lanky kid like Joe Mooney would be any better than Riley. You honestly make no sense. I think you simply want to just contradict whatever I say which makes you look like a fool. Riley was fun to watch, but he doesn't have a D2 offer yet.
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Post by exithere on Apr 24, 2015 21:04:09 GMT -6
Clearly it can be overlooked since he has no D1 offers. He is tiny and I don't mean Kiefer Sykes tiny, I mean boyishly tiny. Weak frame would get beat up at the D1 level. Again, city conference plays zero defense so those stats are enhance quite a bit. Lets get on board with the Mooney brothers! It has been overlooked but it shouldn't. If his scoring was merely a product of his conference then why were there no other guys near his average? Give the guy a chance, we have 5 open scholarships for gods sake, I'm sure he could be productive. The kid can do more than shoot too... The Mooneys don't really excite me. Sure a decent shooter wouldn't be the worst thing to add to the team, but to add two guys who can only shoot doesn't do a whole lot. It's odd because you want athleticism and scoring but you're the first to pass up Riley and the first to jump on board with the Mooneys. I don't understand how adding a slow lanky kid like Joe Mooney would be any better than Riley. You honestly make no sense. I think you simply want to just contradict whatever I say which makes you look like a fool. Mooney is also a good rebounder for his position. Hes as good a shooter if not better than Riley, yet isn't the liability on the defensive side of the ball. Theres a reason why Riley doesn't have an offer from really any college in any division hes simply too small right now. And Mooney isn't slow hes an Average D1 Athlete with an above average outside shot. How do you expect Riley to get his shot over 6'2+ guards or penetrate the lane with 6'9+ big men all over him many of which are going to be more athletic than him? If Riley wants to walk on GREAT id be full support, maybe he can grow a few inches and put on a bunch of weight and be a scholarship player down the road. On top of this all Mooney has been playing better competition than that of Riley and is still proving to be extremely productive. Mooney is simply the better prospect.
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Post by FSCMocFan on Apr 24, 2015 21:50:27 GMT -6
I don't see how these two players equate or relate to each other in any way. Apples and oranges.
One's badly in need of a scholarship so he can play ball and get an education.
The other had a mid-major D1 offer and an upper-major D2 offer in hand in the fall, plus other offers later, plus further interest.
There could be other reasons why Riley isn't getting much of a look in addition to his stature.
Meanwhile, the Linc game is one of aggressive defense. How is a player who's <5'9" and can't jump coming from a league where defense isn't instilled going to play man defense full court, trap when required or get a board?
FSC Moc's have a 5'9" player, Mike Volovic. He's 165, athletic, a good shooter and able defender. He's also a transfer from Butler and a significant player on a D2 National Championship team. Big difference.
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 25, 2015 8:08:03 GMT -6
Clearly it can be overlooked since he has no D1 offers. He is tiny and I don't mean Kiefer Sykes tiny, I mean boyishly tiny. Weak frame would get beat up at the D1 level. Again, city conference plays zero defense so those stats are enhance quite a bit. Lets get on board with the Mooney brothers! It has been overlooked but it shouldn't. If his scoring was merely a product of his conference then why were there no other guys near his average? Give the guy a chance, we have 5 open scholarships for gods sake, I'm sure he could be productive. The kid can do more than shoot too... The Mooneys don't really excite me. Sure a decent shooter wouldn't be the worst thing to add to the team, but to add two guys who can only shoot doesn't do a whole lot. It's odd because you want athleticism and scoring but you're the first to pass up Riley and the first to jump on board with the Mooneys. I don't understand how adding a slow lanky kid like Joe Mooney would be any better than Riley. You honestly make no sense. I think you simply want to just contradict whatever I say which makes you look like a fool.Not at all man! You are the ONLY person in this thread preaching Riley and trying to make this personal. Read through the pages, everybody is dismissing your insisting rant of extending Riley a scholly. Comparison: Riley: 0 D1 offers, 0 D2 offers and it is not because he cannot qualify(3.6 gpa). Joe Mooney: UC-Davis, Air Force, New Hampshire, Western Michigan, South Alabama, and Marist D1 Scholly offers. Plus if we can land Joe Mooney, we might be able to add his brother Matt Mooney who averaged 6.9 ppg, 1.8 apg, and 1.9 rpg in the Mountain West Conference.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 26, 2015 9:09:19 GMT -6
In fairness to Knight I did mention that I don't think Riley is a terrible use of a scholarship. Now don't get me wrong I am not in love with Riley but he is an interesting player and one that may be worth a look on a make good basis. GB has scholarships to fill and I am not convinced they have enough time to fill them all so I am willing to take chances but usually coaches are not.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 26, 2015 9:18:39 GMT -6
I watched that video on Mooney. He was a different player than I was expecting. He looked at least as good as Benzinger from WSU. I thought he could work on his ball handling a lit bit more but his shooting touch was good, made smart passes and he was active in the passing lanes on defense. I don't think Cerroni is a good comparison, as Cerroni could shoot on the move more. Mooney was pretty set on most of those shots. I see a guy like Wichmann planted in spots on the court for Milwaukee making shots that others create for him and it wouldn't be a leap to think Mooney could do the same thing.
The hardest part for me is that I see a recruit like Cooper and I prefer the Wardle style of getting 13 guys like that. Getting a Cooper and a Mooney looks more like the Jeter style of having a mix of guys with different skills. I think the ceiling is higher when a team has one style and identity rather than a mix mash of players and then try to fit a style around them. When it works it is fine but when it doesn't the team will be bad. In the other way you know what the team is going to do and they can usually grind out more consistent seasons. To put it in a different light you don't see Bo Ryan going with a mix mash of high athletic and high IQ. He usually goes high IQ and nobody complains about the results.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 26, 2015 9:41:01 GMT -6
Yesterday Venci had a tweet that GB likely will lose Daeshon Francis. I was surprised that the word likely was used as I thought he was gone for sure. Does anyone know if he might change his mind and stay in GB?
If he does leave I am going to throw a random destination out for him. Jacksonville University is coached by a Tony Jansick who has strong Indiana ties. Is anyone hearing anything with more substance than my totally random based in no facts guess?
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