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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 15, 2015 11:55:06 GMT -6
Sounds like Pete wanted GG as HC. I know many of us were pulling for him, but compared to the other candidates (with HC experience) like Deiner or even fringe candidates like Miller or Semling for example, GG has not solved the riddle of getting out of the first round of the D3 tourney. Dougherty also made it sound like the Midwest Conference is the Big Ten of D3.....more like the Big South of D3. He also tries to make comparisons with DB's and Bo's career in D3 before their jumps to D1......DB takes UWSP to the NAIA title game in '85, while Bo's career in D3 is unparalleled with 4 championships and deep D3 tourney runs each year.....GG's resume in D3 isn't even close to that yet regarding tourney success.
Like I said before GG may have to go up to a higher ceiling D3 program or D2 to build his resume. I think he's maxed out what he can do at SNC......If it's the same level if success at SNC in foreseeable future, he may also be a finalist who doesn't get the job at UWM if that opens up (assuming Rob Jeter doesn't get things on the upswing in the next couple years and GG goes for that job since he's from 'Tosa).
I was raised during the DB era and saw those early teams, went to GB during the DB era and saw GG play, but I think the romanticism with the DB Era by some needs to stop. Let Darner build his program as he sees fit. I know he's aware of the budgetary challenges but it's no different that what BW or TK had. GG could be the next DB or Bo, but he could also be the next Mike Heideman.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 15, 2015 15:12:43 GMT -6
Linc will be on 107.5 The Fan at 4:15.
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 15, 2015 15:29:03 GMT -6
We get it Pete, you wanted GG, sour grapes. I love how he brings up Pat Miller as a consolation prize, dude won more ships and games than GG (dumb comparison). I do admit Miller should have got a serious look though. The main concern with GG is that he could not get it done at the D3 level in March, how he is going to get it done at the D1 level where everything is intensified. Pete does bring up a couple valid points about resources but I am confident in Linc and MEG on this hire. I think Linc is going to bring in some solid recruits and I am excited for the next 3 to 4 years to see what happens!
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 15, 2015 15:30:20 GMT -6
Sounds like Pete wanted GG as HC. I know many of us were pulling for him, but compared to the other candidates (with HC experience) like Deiner or even fringe candidates like Miller or Semling for example, GG has not solved the riddle of getting out of the first round of the D3 tourney. Dougherty also made it sound like the Midwest Conference is the Big Ten of D3.....more like the Big South of D3. He also tries to make comparisons with DB's and Bo's career in D3 before their jumps to D1......DB takes UWSP to the NAIA title game in '85, while Bo's career in D3 is unparalleled with 4 championships and deep D3 tourney runs each year.....GG's resume in D3 isn't even close to that yet regarding tourney success. Like I said before GG may have to go up to a higher ceiling D3 program or D2 to build his resume. I think he's maxed out what he can do at SNC......If it's the same level if success at SNC in foreseeable future, he may also be a finalist who doesn't get the job at UWM if that opens up (assuming Rob Jeter doesn't get things on the upswing in the next couple years and GG goes for that job since he's from 'Tosa). I was raised during the DB era and saw those early teams, went to GB during the DB era and saw GG play, but I think the romanticism with the DB Era by some needs to stop. Let Darner build his program as he sees fit. I know he's aware of the budgetary challenges but it's no different that what BW or TK had. GG could be the next DB or Bo, but he could also be the next Mike Heideman. I agree with everything you said here! I tried to articulate it in my above post, but you nailed it sir!
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 15, 2015 17:04:48 GMT -6
I agree with bbfan14, 97 nailed it! Very well written!!
I just watched the press conference. I would say that Linc doesn't come across with the super high energy and polish but does seem to be very honest and likable. I think the community will embrace him. I think they will like his style if it wins. If it is a Jerry Slocum junk defense with tons of Juco's who don't win then the community will call for his head. Winning is important and being liked while winning is important as well. The difference in personality between DB and TK and how they were received says a lot.
I think Pete can stop guest writing for the GBPG, it is clear that his opinion is biased and kind of tired. Hiring Darner doesn't mean they aren't going to be able to recruit WI or that they don't want to. It just means that he has the system that has the highest ceiling in their opinion. Plus it was clear that having the relationship with Adam was super helpful in this hire.
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Post by gbalum2007 on Apr 15, 2015 18:10:52 GMT -6
I'm glad mostly everyone is on the same page with that Dougherty column, and completely agree with the sentiment that the "romanticism with the DB era" has to come to a close. I remember the teams (grew up in the Milwaukee area, so I wasn't as close to it as most here), but times have changed. I'm sure Grzesk is a nice guy and he's done well at SNC, but what makes him more qualified than any of the other candidates? The fact that he played here? Sorry, but there has to be a reason that two administrations have now passed on him.
Not sure if anyone saw this, but our favorite former beat writer tweeted that he will not be buying season tickets because his "buddy" Gary Grzesk didn't get hired. I would have viewed that as a strike against GG.
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Post by fansincebuss on Apr 15, 2015 18:18:04 GMT -6
I agree with bbfan14, 97 nailed it! Very well written!! I just watched the press conference. I would say that Linc doesn't come across with the super high energy and polish but does seem to be very honest and likable. I think the community will embrace him. I think they will like his style if it wins. If it is a Jerry Slocum junk defense with tons of Juco's who don't win then the community will call for his head. Winning is important and being liked while winning is important as well. The difference in personality between DB and TK and how they were received says a lot. I think Pete can stop guest writing for the GBPG, it is clear that his opinion is biased and kind of tired. Hiring Darner doesn't mean they aren't going to be able to recruit WI or that they don't want to. It just means that he has the system that has the highest ceiling in their opinion. Plus it was clear that having the relationship with Adam was super helpful in this hire. I like Pete as a Packer reporter, but he seems to be struggling as a columnist.
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Post by fansincebuss on Apr 15, 2015 18:19:30 GMT -6
I'm glad mostly everyone is on the same page with that Dougherty column, and completely agree with the sentiment that the "romanticism with the DB era" has to come to a close. I remember the teams (grew up in the Milwaukee area, so I wasn't as close to it as most here), but times have changed. I'm sure Grzesk is a nice guy and he's done well at SNC, but what makes him more qualified than any of the other candidates? The fact that he played here? Sorry, but there has to be a reason that two administrations have now passed on him. Not sure if anyone saw this, but our favorite former beat writer tweeted that he will not be buying season tickets because his "buddy" Gary Grzesk didn't get hired. I would have viewed that as a strike against GG. I is not like he was actually going to pay for a ticket anyway.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 15, 2015 18:54:21 GMT -6
I thought the Dougherty column was outstanding. I listened to Darner on 107.5 and thought he sounded rough. Difficult to listen to. A co-worker asked "who's this redneck?".
Linc has a lot to prove. D1 teams don't press the whole game because it doesn't work. Maybe his organized fast breaks will be revolutionary. They'll need to be. Banning Francis from transfering to the school of his choice is a classless move. Bad opening move.
I wish I was more excited for Linc. He was an interesting candidate. He'll need to wow me with his next few moves, because his first move was an embarrassment. Remember how Bo Ryan got roasted for restricting a kid? I'm not paying to see a coach who does it the wrong way.
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Post by exithere on Apr 15, 2015 19:41:05 GMT -6
I thought the Dougherty column was outstanding. I listened to Darner on 107.5 and thought he sounded rough. Difficult to listen to. A co-worker asked "who's this redneck?". Linc has a lot to prove. D1 teams don't press the whole game because it doesn't work. Maybe his organized fast breaks will be revolutionary. They'll need to be. Banning Francis from transfering to the school of his choice is a classless move. Bad opening move. Doesn't have anymore to prove than any of the other candidates. And listening to 107.5 i didn't get the impression he sounded rough. He has a southern drawl big deal....
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 15, 2015 19:57:54 GMT -6
I think Pete needs to realize that per the quote below my avatar...."Dick Bennett isn't coming through that door."
For every Vince Lombardi there is a Phil Bengston and for every Mike Krzyzewski there is a Quinn Snyder.......and for every Dick Bennett there is a Mike Heidemnan. Not to say GG can be DB or Heideman, but based on who he was up against this time around and the desire of MEG and Chancellor Miller to elevate this program, this was a good hire. MEG's tenure as AD will be tied to Darner.
Now let's if Darner and his staff can get this group of guys to shoot 3's without having them air ball or hit the side of the backboard. ;-)
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Post by fightphoe93 on Apr 15, 2015 20:18:24 GMT -6
Yeah, hearing about the transfer blocks for Francis is disappointing. I can understand blocking the Horizon league teams, but let him go to Bradley and follow the coach he signed with. I guess it means Darner is certainly putting his foot down as a tough guy, but I think this is kind of a jerk move. Hopefully there won't be many more things like this to occur.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 15, 2015 21:38:24 GMT -6
I'm a bit torn on the issue of transfer blocks. I can see blocking within the conference, but this also sends the message that the players committed to UWGB and should honor that commitment. I think there are many coaches will still say that a player should commit to the school and not the coach......but we all know in this day and age in college basketball, that simply is BS and an ideal that is from the past and something that Darner may hold on (good or bad).
There are coaches that will block players from leaving for any school that is on the schedule.....That is a bigger jerk move. With the specter of unionization and the demand for more rights by student athletes by college athletes and the fact that coaches can leave at any time, I can see transfer rules being relaxed even more in the future. Drives us crazy as fans, but from a free-market point of view, I can see their point. Until there are guaranteed scholarships (and not renewable every year), D1 players will go to a school they feel they can play the most in a system that will showcase their talents. If coaches can leave at anytime, why not players.
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 15, 2015 21:57:57 GMT -6
I thought the Dougherty column was outstanding. I listened to Darner on 107.5 and thought he sounded rough. Difficult to listen to. A co-worker asked "who's this redneck?". Linc has a lot to prove. D1 teams don't press the whole game because it doesn't work. Maybe his organized fast breaks will be revolutionary. They'll need to be. Banning Francis from transfering to the school of his choice is a classless move. Bad opening move. I wish I was more excited for Linc. He was an interesting candidate. He'll need to wow me with his next few moves, because his first move was an embarrassment. Remember how Bo Ryan got roasted for restricting a kid? I'm not paying to see a coach who does it the wrong way. What in Pete's column was outstanding? I agree to an extent with the differences in budgets, but I assume Linc knows the difference. I assume you wanted GG for the job since you liked Pete's column. There is no logical reason that GG would have been chosen as the coach over the other top 3 or 4 candidates (resume speaking). He wins during the regular season in the Midwest conference (lowly D3 conference) but chokes in March every year. Do you want somebody who cannot win in March as the coach? If he does not win in D3, I doubt he wins in D1 basketball. There is a reason GG has been passed on twice now by two different administrations. Also, If Linc did not get the job, I could name at least 2 other candidates I would have rather seen get the nod (Diener or Miller). I think MEG made a solid hire, it is her butt on the line too, you think she would be dumb enough to put the wrong person in the driver seat?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 15, 2015 21:59:53 GMT -6
D1 teams don't press the whole game because it doesn't work. signed Bruce Pearl and Shaka Smart
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