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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 15, 2015 22:07:04 GMT -6
In the end I would be surprised if Bradley is blocked. This is just my guess but this seems like an initial reaction from the athletic department to Wardle and Crew possibly tampering with players but not wanting to or being able to call him out. So they just did the next thing and prevented Wardle from getting what he wants. Daeshon is in the middle which isn't fair to him but if Wardle was actively recruiting that isn't fair to GB. So send a little message to Brian by making him sweat or be upset but in the end I doubt they take anything away from Daeshon. If it does stick well Brian and Daeshon want to be part of big time hoops, welcome to the game.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 15, 2015 22:23:10 GMT -6
In the end I would be surprised if Bradley is blocked. This is just my guess but this seems like an initial reaction from the athletic department to Wardle and Crew possibly tampering with players but not wanting to or being able to call him out. So they just did the next thing and prevented Wardle from getting what he wants. Daeshon is in the middle which isn't fair to him but if Wardle was actively recruiting that isn't fair to GB. So send a little message to Brian by making him sweat or be upset but in the end I doubt they take anything away from Daeshon. If it does stick well Brian and Daeshon want to be part of big time hoops, welcome to the game. There's nothing big time about forcing a kid into a unwanted situation. Darner and MEG are embarrassing themselves.
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Post by knightlife920 on Apr 15, 2015 22:27:13 GMT -6
In the end I would be surprised if Bradley is blocked. This is just my guess but this seems like an initial reaction from the athletic department to Wardle and Crew possibly tampering with players but not wanting to or being able to call him out. So they just did the next thing and prevented Wardle from getting what he wants. Daeshon is in the middle which isn't fair to him but if Wardle was actively recruiting that isn't fair to GB. So send a little message to Brian by making him sweat or be upset but in the end I doubt they take anything away from Daeshon. If it does stick well Brian and Daeshon want to be part of big time hoops, welcome to the game. There's nothing big time about forcing a kid into a unwanted situation. Darner and MEG are embarrassing themselves. I cannot agree more. This is extremely embarrassing and a poor showing of professionalism right out of the gate. Let the kid go where he wants to go. I don't agree with his decision to transfer but it is ultimately up to him and he shouldn't be impeded for doing so. Couldn't Francis get around this blockade by arguing that there is a program offered at one of these schools that GB doesn't offer or is that only the case for graduate students who look to be eligible right away?
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 15, 2015 22:31:01 GMT -6
I thought the Dougherty column was outstanding. I listened to Darner on 107.5 and thought he sounded rough. Difficult to listen to. A co-worker asked "who's this redneck?". Linc has a lot to prove. D1 teams don't press the whole game because it doesn't work. Maybe his organized fast breaks will be revolutionary. They'll need to be. Banning Francis from transfering to the school of his choice is a classless move. Bad opening move. I wish I was more excited for Linc. He was an interesting candidate. He'll need to wow me with his next few moves, because his first move was an embarrassment. Remember how Bo Ryan got roasted for restricting a kid? I'm not paying to see a coach who does it the wrong way. What in Pete's column was outstanding? I agree to an extent with the differences in budgets, but I assume Linc knows the difference. I assume you wanted GG for the job since you liked Pete's column. There is no logical reason that GG would have been chosen as the coach over the other top 3 or 4 candidates (resume speaking). He wins during the regular season in the Midwest conference (lowly D3 conference) but chokes in March every year. Do you want somebody who cannot win in March as the coach? If he does not win in D3, I doubt he wins in D1 basketball. There is a reason GG has been passed on twice now by two different administrations. Also, If Linc did not get the job, I could name at least 2 other candidates I would have rather seen get the nod (Diener or Miller). I think MEG made a solid hire, it is her butt on the line too, you think she would be dumb enough to put the wrong person in the driver seat? If you know anything about the D3 tournament, you'd realize private schools rarely win. The tuition difference versus publics is a huge obstacle. No matter, GG now has the athletes he needs to take St Norberts to the next level. Freshman Devalk and sophomore Terrance Garner are the type of athletes Gary needs to compete at the higest level. His resume will be ready by the time of the next Green Bay opening.
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Post by knightlife920 on Apr 15, 2015 23:38:18 GMT -6
What in Pete's column was outstanding? I agree to an extent with the differences in budgets, but I assume Linc knows the difference. I assume you wanted GG for the job since you liked Pete's column. There is no logical reason that GG would have been chosen as the coach over the other top 3 or 4 candidates (resume speaking). He wins during the regular season in the Midwest conference (lowly D3 conference) but chokes in March every year. Do you want somebody who cannot win in March as the coach? If he does not win in D3, I doubt he wins in D1 basketball. There is a reason GG has been passed on twice now by two different administrations. Also, If Linc did not get the job, I could name at least 2 other candidates I would have rather seen get the nod (Diener or Miller). I think MEG made a solid hire, it is her butt on the line too, you think she would be dumb enough to put the wrong person in the driver seat? If you know anything about the D3 tournament, you'd realize pric as team schools rarely win. The tuition difference versus publics is a huge obstacle. No matter, GG now has the athletes he needs to take St Norberts to the next level. Freshman Devalk and sophomore Terrance Garner are the type of athletes Gary needs to compete at the higest level. His resume will be ready by the time of the next Green Bay opening. Obviously no one actually understands where we are coming from. Just because SNC is an expensive private school doesn't mean they have the funds to even sustain most of their programs. All of their new athletic facilities were entirely donated, the school paid absolutely nothing for them, most sports, especially baseball and basketball, get the shaft. None of these people have even been to an SNC game so they have no place to naysay about the program and coach. For instance, they were NUMBER 3 in the nation this year, and barely got a higher seed than their highly touted opponent Elmhurst and they ended up playing to a 3OT loss. Last year, they were number 5 in the nation and were rewarded with an away game and second round matchup against powerhouse Illinois Wesleyan. Gary's lack of tourney success cannot solely be placed on him. If you go that route, then you have to blame Wardle exclusively for all of the conference and NIT tournament losses as well. His recruiting is the absolute best for what he has to work with. NO scholarships, $40k a year tuition, terrible facilities and a boring locale. However, Gary has been able to overcome that and land D1 caliber talent in Gries, Schwoerer, Cerroni (transfer) and Devalk as well as many others (Garner is okay but he is not elite, also one of the most arrogant people I have ever met). There is not much use in still talking about this topic but some people still cannot help but bash him so it is necessary to set the record straight. Like J said, the next coaching cycle may just see Grzesk at the helm as I don't see Darner lasting here terribly long, either due to a promotion or to flat out bombing the program, it will be one or the other.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 16, 2015 5:51:15 GMT -6
In the end I would be surprised if Bradley is blocked. This is just my guess but this seems like an initial reaction from the athletic department to Wardle and Crew possibly tampering with players but not wanting to or being able to call him out. So they just did the next thing and prevented Wardle from getting what he wants. Daeshon is in the middle which isn't fair to him but if Wardle was actively recruiting that isn't fair to GB. So send a little message to Brian by making him sweat or be upset but in the end I doubt they take anything away from Daeshon. If it does stick well Brian and Daeshon want to be part of big time hoops, welcome to the game. There's nothing big time about forcing a kid into a unwanted situation. Darner and MEG are embarrassing themselves. There are 351 D1 schools, he can only pick from 341...he is so screwed and will end up in a terribly unwanted situation...not. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. Just like he isn't giving GB a chance in the new era he isn't giving those other 341 schools a chance either. Plenty of schools do this but in the end I would be surprised if he does get blocked from Bradley.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 16, 2015 5:55:40 GMT -6
I know two students at SNC right now and neither one of them pays close to 40k per year. They don't have that many scholarships either but from what they both told me SNC finds a way to make the total cost a lot more affordable. Plus they try to graduate in 4 years vs. 4.5 or 5 in public schools so the total cost becomes more favorable. I am sure GG is talking that up.
I have been to an SNC game for the record. I am not super pumped about Linc for the record and I still don't think GG was the right guy. Take out his playing career and there is nothing else that says he should have been considered. Besides that is water under the bridge, I think we should all get on board or get out of the way with the new coach. I know I am working on that for myself.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 16, 2015 6:16:15 GMT -6
If Linc doesn't last long at GB it's because GB just finished an NCAA run or two.....It would be bad to see him leave, but that's the life of a mid-major program, especially if GB gets to the NCAA's as the Purdue job opens up ;-)....I'm sure Linc would jump on that ship in a nanosecond if the timing was right and he got GB back to the Big Dance.
If Linc doesn't last long because he has a Heideman-like record, MEG may get one more shot to get it right, and she will have a good pool to draw from again.....
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 16, 2015 6:26:35 GMT -6
D1 teams don't press the whole game because it doesn't work. signed Bruce Pearl and Shaka Smart P.S. Also signed by the late Jerry Tarkanian, Rick Pitino (circa 1996), Paul Westhead (circa 1991), and Dr. Tom Davis......;-)
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 16, 2015 7:25:58 GMT -6
What in Pete's column was outstanding? I agree to an extent with the differences in budgets, but I assume Linc knows the difference. I assume you wanted GG for the job since you liked Pete's column. There is no logical reason that GG would have been chosen as the coach over the other top 3 or 4 candidates (resume speaking). He wins during the regular season in the Midwest conference (lowly D3 conference) but chokes in March every year. Do you want somebody who cannot win in March as the coach? If he does not win in D3, I doubt he wins in D1 basketball. There is a reason GG has been passed on twice now by two different administrations. Also, If Linc did not get the job, I could name at least 2 other candidates I would have rather seen get the nod (Diener or Miller). I think MEG made a solid hire, it is her butt on the line too, you think she would be dumb enough to put the wrong person in the driver seat? If you know anything about the D3 tournament, you'd realize private schools rarely win. The tuition difference versus publics is a huge obstacle. No matter, GG now has the athletes he needs to take St Norberts to the next level. Freshman Devalk and sophomore Terrance Garner are the type of athletes Gary needs to compete at the higest level. His resume will be ready by the time of the next Green Bay opening. I know plenty about D3, and as somebody mentioned here, there are many ways to get around that "40k tuition" GG fanboys keep bringing up (GG fully knows that). GG will never be the right person for the job, take away his playing days and his resume is lower than most other candidates that are going to be in the running for the job. Do you really think, after passing GG once, MEG is going to hire him on his third try? There are reasons he is not getting chosen, one of them is his resume (March issues), and another is character issues. Anyways, I am pretty sure the "hillbilly" will do just fine at UW-GB and this GG topic is water under the bridge.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 16, 2015 8:24:47 GMT -6
A couple of footnotes: The block on a transfer to Bradley is probably a polite and temporary message to GB's former coach. Things would get nasty if there was a formal complaint to the NCAA. That's the line.
Grzesk is an outstanding coach but seems to have hurt his career by moving away from a D1 level assistant and or staying at the D3 level. To some, right or wrong, that projects the wrong imagine. Mid-major assistant coaches put in ungodly hours and like it or not the recruiting demands and time away from home can take a toll. Gary decided against that route and I suspect it was a balance between career and family.
Lost in this is former assistant Brian Barone. MEG had time to get a read on him but might never have viewed him as anything other than a holdover. She wanted her personal stamp on the department.
Dougherty had some validate points in the link I posted. The D3 route has worked several times -- specifically with Bennett and Ryan. Heideman was St. Nobert's head coach before being an assistant under Bennett. A nice man but it didn't workout.
MEG and Bothof both wanted their stamp on the program and had a balancing act to deal with because of the Bennett Legacy. How do you show respect to Dick and Tony while doing what you think is the right decision? MEG and Bothof were living the situation and doing the budget/personnel issues daily. They had access to information none of us had or have.
Bothof had a total mess to clean up and not just because of the athletic department. He hired two coaches who had no experience with the top job. Both grew on the job not as much as some wanted. Kowalczyk could never escape the shadow of the Bennett Era and while personable one on one -- he did not project strong PR in the community. Wardle did the PR at a higher level and was able to build on K's start. Frankly, I think there was a maturity issue that prevented him to take the next step as a coach. Perhaps he'll achieve that in the years to come.
Back to the future -- MEG picked a candidate she knew the most about and that clearly gave her a comfort level. Her top aid knew Linc Darner for years and MEG could rely on her contacts and years at Purdue for other background checks. To her that all added up to the safest and best candidate for the job.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 16, 2015 9:26:37 GMT -6
Are you referring the mess left by the incomparable (***cough, cough***) Mark Perkins?.....I was at GB during his tenure. That guy was more dirty politician than academic. He held GB athletics back IMO. The Resch/GB Sports Center expansion and renovation could have been done years earlier if it weren't for his (***insert sarcasm here***) leadership.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 16, 2015 9:47:27 GMT -6
An example of a PhD that stands for piled higher and deeper. During a pivotal time for the school there was a total administrative cluster %^$# up. Marquette faced a similar situation recently with Father P and their AD, the former Notre Dame football player, turned attorney, turned athletic director.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 16, 2015 10:24:18 GMT -6
When Bruce Sheppard took over and hired Ken Bohtof as AD soon after, they had establish a more structured professional environment in the Athletic Department. It also had to include the painful decision to fire Heideman who was the last link to the DB Era and they had to begin to distance themselves from it.....On a smaller scale it was like all of the coaches (who had mediocre seasons)who succeeded Bear Bryant at 'Bama after he retired.
Hopefully MEG and Chancellor Miller will be like the Bohtof/Sheppard in terms of the 'dynamic duo' leadership and elevating GB Athletics a little more.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 16, 2015 10:50:03 GMT -6
During the noozer yesterday Miller made a point to talk about the importance of D1 sports at GB, "the front porch of the school." He clearly understands the marketing value.
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