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Post by exithere on Apr 19, 2015 16:24:52 GMT -6
The problem with some here is that they wanted a local guy, specifically Gary Grezsk. Grezsk is a D3 coach in a bad conference and has never made if far in the post season, but has a decent amount of wins at St. Norberts College and a nice winning percentage. Grezsk was a player here, and some want those "old days" feelings when he played due to them being successful. Isn't this horse dead enough? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I had no dog in this fight. I have been a GB fans since the Division 2 days , but also follow Division 3 sports. To previously use terms like choked and highly favored about Saint Norbert in the playoffs is ridiculous and uninformed. The D3 tournament is all about regional rankings and geography. The NCAA wants as few teams as possible to travel farther than 500 miles (i.e. fly) so the brackets have no national structure. Due to the crappy conference they play in, SNC always gets a bad regional ranking. They only hosted this year because the St Thomas women were hosting so the men couldn't. Even with a home game they were the number 2 seed of the 4 teams. In their five playoff appearances they have never lost to anyone but a WIAC or CCIW team. In that time the WIAC has won 4 championships and the CCIW has had 3 final four teams. They lost to an eventual national champion on their own floor, a final four team on their own floor and an elite 8 team. Even this year at best that game against Elmhurst was a pickem. Here's a good quote about SNC this year and in general from D3Hoops.com (yes they actually know about D3 sports). "Emory and St. Norbert have the biggest challenges coming to their gymnasiums, although that’s a byproduct of Division III geography and Division III hosting rotations. The committee would rather have St. Norbert traveling to St. Thomas (or the most difficult opponent possible, based on how the committee has ranked St. Norbert in recent years), so in reality, St. Thomas is the highest seed in that pod." SNC is a mid to low major of the D3 world. Choking in March is losing in your conference tournament and not making the tournament. Would making the tournament 5 out of 6 years and advancing to the second round twice suck for GB. The question still persists though can he win in the postseason regardless of the reasons why he hasn't thus far. Its a hole in his resume. Going from low mid major D3 college with no post season experience to a D1 Mid Major program is a big jump. I would of been happy with several of these coaches including GG, but I think that zero post season success hurt his chances at getting the Job at UWGB.
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Post by knightlife920 on Apr 19, 2015 17:31:34 GMT -6
Isn't this horse dead enough? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I had no dog in this fight. I have been a GB fans since the Division 2 days , but also follow Division 3 sports. To previously use terms like choked and highly favored about Saint Norbert in the playoffs is ridiculous and uninformed. The D3 tournament is all about regional rankings and geography. The NCAA wants as few teams as possible to travel farther than 500 miles (i.e. fly) so the brackets have no national structure. Due to the crappy conference they play in, SNC always gets a bad regional ranking. They only hosted this year because the St Thomas women were hosting so the men couldn't. Even with a home game they were the number 2 seed of the 4 teams. In their five playoff appearances they have never lost to anyone but a WIAC or CCIW team. In that time the WIAC has won 4 championships and the CCIW has had 3 final four teams. They lost to an eventual national champion on their own floor, a final four team on their own floor and an elite 8 team. Even this year at best that game against Elmhurst was a pickem. Here's a good quote about SNC this year and in general from D3Hoops.com (yes they actually know about D3 sports). "Emory and St. Norbert have the biggest challenges coming to their gymnasiums, although that’s a byproduct of Division III geography and Division III hosting rotations. The committee would rather have St. Norbert traveling to St. Thomas (or the most difficult opponent possible, based on how the committee has ranked St. Norbert in recent years), so in reality, St. Thomas is the highest seed in that pod." SNC is a mid to low major of the D3 world. Choking in March is losing in your conference tournament and not making the tournament. Would making the tournament 5 out of 6 years and advancing to the second round twice suck for GB. The question still persists though can he win in the postseason regardless of the reasons why he hasn't thus far. Its a hole in his resume. Going from low mid major D3 college with no post season experience to a D1 Mid Major program is a big jump. I would of been happy with several of these coaches including GG, but I think that zero post season success hurt his chances at getting the Job at UWGB. You really cannot let it go can you?
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 19, 2015 21:07:37 GMT -6
The problem with some here is that they wanted a local guy, specifically Gary Grezsk. Grezsk is a D3 coach in a bad conference and has never made if far in the post season, but has a decent amount of wins at St. Norberts College and a nice winning percentage. Grezsk was a player here, and some want those "old days" feelings when he played due to them being successful. Isn't this horse dead enough? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I had no dog in this fight. I have been a GB fans since the Division 2 days , but also follow Division 3 sports. To previously use terms like choked and highly favored about Saint Norbert in the playoffs is ridiculous and uninformed. The D3 tournament is all about regional rankings and geography. The NCAA wants as few teams as possible to travel farther than 500 miles (i.e. fly) so the brackets have no national structure. Due to the crappy conference they play in, SNC always gets a bad regional ranking. They only hosted this year because the St Thomas women were hosting so the men couldn't. Even with a home game they were the number 2 seed of the 4 teams. In their five playoff appearances they have never lost to anyone but a WIAC or CCIW team. In that time the WIAC has won 4 championships and the CCIW has had 3 final four teams. They lost to an eventual national champion on their own floor, a final four team on their own floor and an elite 8 team. Even this year at best that game against Elmhurst was a pickem. Here's a good quote about SNC this year and in general from D3Hoops.com (yes they actually know about D3 sports). "Emory and St. Norbert have the biggest challenges coming to their gymnasiums, although that’s a byproduct of Division III geography and Division III hosting rotations. The committee would rather have St. Norbert traveling to St. Thomas (or the most difficult opponent possible, based on how the committee has ranked St. Norbert in recent years), so in reality, St. Thomas is the highest seed in that pod." SNC is a mid to low major of the D3 world. Choking in March is losing in your conference tournament and not making the tournament. Would making the tournament 5 out of 6 years and advancing to the second round twice suck for GB. First bolded: Yea I would consider them choking this year, since they hosted/were the higher seed and still couldn't get it done. That is the definition of a choke. You trolling? Second bolded: No it is not, it is getting eliminated damn near every year and you are consistently ranked in the top 10-15 all year. If UW-GB was ranked #10-#15 for those six years and could not get out of the first round, yeah, that would suck! You cannot compare a mid major team that is not ranked and losing in the first round, to a team that is always ranked high and losing in the first round. Just getting to the tournament is an accomplishment for mid majors because they are typically not ranked or thought of possibly winning a game. SNC was ranked high and still lost. Cannot compare the two, if you think you can, you have no clue bud! LOL @ you having no stake. Right!
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Post by exithere on Apr 19, 2015 21:51:01 GMT -6
The question still persists though can he win in the postseason regardless of the reasons why he hasn't thus far. Its a hole in his resume. Going from low mid major D3 college with no post season experience to a D1 Mid Major program is a big jump. I would of been happy with several of these coaches including GG, but I think that zero post season success hurt his chances at getting the Job at UWGB. You really cannot let it go can you? Let what go? I think i gave a fair assessment as to what i believe was the thought process of the AD. Would you rather have a guy with postseason success or none? In this case GG was going against several candidates with a resume with greater success in the post season. Its a hole in his resume, it doesn't make him a bad coach, its just hard not to notice when comparing him to guys with greater success in march. You are acting like I'm ragging on GG when I'm not. I think hes a good coach, but to reach D1 will need some sort of success in March.
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Post by knightlife920 on Apr 19, 2015 22:21:31 GMT -6
Isn't this horse dead enough? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I had no dog in this fight. I have been a GB fans since the Division 2 days , but also follow Division 3 sports. To previously use terms like choked and highly favored about Saint Norbert in the playoffs is ridiculous and uninformed. The D3 tournament is all about regional rankings and geography. The NCAA wants as few teams as possible to travel farther than 500 miles (i.e. fly) so the brackets have no national structure. Due to the crappy conference they play in, SNC always gets a bad regional ranking. They only hosted this year because the St Thomas women were hosting so the men couldn't. Even with a home game they were the number 2 seed of the 4 teams. In their five playoff appearances they have never lost to anyone but a WIAC or CCIW team. In that time the WIAC has won 4 championships and the CCIW has had 3 final four teams. They lost to an eventual national champion on their own floor, a final four team on their own floor and an elite 8 team. Even this year at best that game against Elmhurst was a pickem. Here's a good quote about SNC this year and in general from D3Hoops.com (yes they actually know about D3 sports). "Emory and St. Norbert have the biggest challenges coming to their gymnasiums, although that’s a byproduct of Division III geography and Division III hosting rotations. The committee would rather have St. Norbert traveling to St. Thomas (or the most difficult opponent possible, based on how the committee has ranked St. Norbert in recent years), so in reality, St. Thomas is the highest seed in that pod." SNC is a mid to low major of the D3 world. Choking in March is losing in your conference tournament and not making the tournament. Would making the tournament 5 out of 6 years and advancing to the second round twice suck for GB. First bolded: Yea I would consider them choking this year, since they hosted/were the higher seed and still couldn't get it done. That is the definition of a choke. You trolling? Second bolded: No it is not, it is getting eliminated damn near every year and you are consistently ranked in the top 10-15 all year. If UW-GB was ranked #10-#15 for those six years and could not get out of the first round, yeah, that would suck! You cannot compare a mid major team that is not ranked and losing in the first round, to a team that is always ranked high and losing in the first round. Just getting to the tournament is an accomplishment for mid majors because they are typically not ranked or thought of possibly winning a game. SNC was ranked high and still lost. Cannot compare the two, if you think you can, you have no clue bud! LOL @ you having no stake. Right! You honestly have no clue as to what you're talking about. Everything houdini said was spot on. The only reason SNC is ranked so high is because of their record, its not a reflection of their competition (think Princeton's women's team this year). Grzesk and SNC do the very best possible with what they've got. A choke job losing to Elmhurst after having a 9 point lead late, yes, a choke job as a conglomeration of all of their post season appearances, no. SNC plays in the SWAC of D3, they have limited resources and every win they get in the postseason should be celebrated, even if they are few and far between. Grzesk is essentially the Mike Davis at Texas Southern of the D3 level, and look, he's a hot commodity! Do your homework before posting such ignorant comments. I'm tired of this subject but the stupidity being spewed out in regards to this subject is getting ridiculous.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 20, 2015 3:44:54 GMT -6
First bolded: Yea I would consider them choking this year, since they hosted/were the higher seed and still couldn't get it done. That is the definition of a choke. You trolling? Second bolded: No it is not, it is getting eliminated damn near every year and you are consistently ranked in the top 10-15 all year. If UW-GB was ranked #10-#15 for those six years and could not get out of the first round, yeah, that would suck! You cannot compare a mid major team that is not ranked and losing in the first round, to a team that is always ranked high and losing in the first round. Just getting to the tournament is an accomplishment for mid majors because they are typically not ranked or thought of possibly winning a game. SNC was ranked high and still lost. Cannot compare the two, if you think you can, you have no clue bud! LOL @ you having no stake. Right! You honestly have no clue as to what you're talking about. Everything houdini said was spot on. The only reason SNC is ranked so high is because of their record, its not a reflection of their competition (think Princeton's women's team this year). Grzesk and SNC do the very best possible with what they've got. A choke job losing to Elmhurst after having a 9 point lead late, yes, a choke job as a conglomeration of all of their post season appearances, no. SNC plays in the SWAC of D3, they have limited resources and every win they get in the postseason should be celebrated, even if they are few and far between. Grzesk is essentially the Mike Davis at Texas Southern of the D3 level, and look, he's a hot commodity! Do your homework before posting such ignorant comments. I'm tired of this subject but the stupidity being spewed out in regards to this subject is getting ridiculous. I also find it interesting that he needs to exaggerate to back up his opinion. To say GG never wins in March is a lie. He has, it just hasn't been every year. The real folly of judging a coach based on March only is the sample size. Coach K had a terrible run in March in recent years. Did he suddenly forget how to coach? Of course not. Things even out, and he went on the huge run this year. GG will likely do the same.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 20, 2015 3:52:41 GMT -6
signed Bruce Pearl and Shaka Smart P.S. Also signed by the late Jerry Tarkanian, Rick Pitino (circa 1996), Paul Westhead (circa 1991), and Dr. Tom Davis......;-) Nice list, you scoured all of college basketball, and came up with 1 guy who did it successfully last year. That guy, Smart, is a Rhodes Scholar. Are we comparing Linc to a Rhodes Scholar? The game has evolved at the highest levels. Big men are now taught the complete game, which makes pressing much more difficult. I'm very pessimistic that this will be successful for Green Bay, and for good reason.
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Post by exithere on Apr 20, 2015 6:15:53 GMT -6
P.S. Also signed by the late Jerry Tarkanian, Rick Pitino (circa 1996), Paul Westhead (circa 1991), and Dr. Tom Davis......;-) Nice list, you scoured all of college basketball, and came up with 1 guy who did it successfully last year. That guy, Smart, is a Rhodes Scholar. Are we comparing Linc to a Rhodes Scholar? The game has evolved at the highest levels. Big men are now taught the complete game, which makes pressing much more difficult. I'm very pessimistic that this will be successful for Green Bay, and for good reason. Duke and kentucky picked up full court against a bunch of teams this past year too. Regardless he didn't say they would be running soley full court D, he did mention that they would be doing a lot of different things defensively.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 20, 2015 6:41:27 GMT -6
I think Linc also eluded to the notion that he will curtail his system based on what he has and not try to fit players in a 'system'. Good to know he won't be entirely dogmatic and not clutch on to a prized 'system' like my toddler son with his blanket....;-)
Now to find players who want to stay here or find more on the recruiting trail.......
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Post by FunDmentals on Apr 20, 2015 8:06:12 GMT -6
Grzesk and SNC do the very best possible with what they've got. a choke job as a conglomeration of all of their post season appearances, no. they have limited resources and every win they get in the postseason should be celebrated, even if they are few and far between. To say GG never wins in March is a lie. He has, it just hasn't been every year. The real folly of judging a coach based on March only is the sample size. All things that you could also say about Wardle, but I'm sure you aren't being hypocritical because you like one guy more than the other...
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 20, 2015 9:21:11 GMT -6
You honestly have no clue as to what you're talking about. Everything houdini said was spot on. The only reason SNC is ranked so high is because of their record, its not a reflection of their competition (think Princeton's women's team this year). Grzesk and SNC do the very best possible with what they've got. A choke job losing to Elmhurst after having a 9 point lead late, yes, a choke job as a conglomeration of all of their post season appearances, no. SNC plays in the SWAC of D3, they have limited resources and every win they get in the postseason should be celebrated, even if they are few and far between. Grzesk is essentially the Mike Davis at Texas Southern of the D3 level, and look, he's a hot commodity! Do your homework before posting such ignorant comments. I'm tired of this subject but the stupidity being spewed out in regards to this subject is getting ridiculous. I also find it interesting that he needs to exaggerate to back up his opinion. To say GG never wins in March is a lie. He has, it just hasn't been every year. The real folly of judging a coach based on March only is the sample size. Coach K had a terrible run in March in recent years. Did he suddenly forget how to coach? Of course not. Things even out, and he went on the huge run this year. GG will likely do the same. My deepest apologies! I should have put that Gary gets a win in the NCAA Tournament every 4 or so years and has a terrible record in the NCAA's.
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Post by FSCMocFan on Apr 20, 2015 10:07:22 GMT -6
Rion Rayfield... now that would be interesting.
Seth Evans was an assistant coach at FSC at the beginning of last season and then left - my father believes this was to play in Europe. He could be floating around, too.
Pretty sure Dan Turner is finished as a player, also. Unfortunately he finished injured/not playing, but he regularly worked out with the team (to the extent of his ability to do so). His brother Stephen is still with the Moc's.
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Post by FSCMocFan on Apr 20, 2015 10:09:33 GMT -6
gbbrl97 - I didn't forget about you. I haven't been feeling so well and unable to manage a long response. But I will answer your questions as soon as I can manage it.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 20, 2015 10:17:38 GMT -6
Get well Moc.....I'm sure we'll hear from you soon.
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Post by FSCMocFan on Apr 20, 2015 10:46:01 GMT -6
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