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Post by phoenixphan87 on Apr 9, 2015 11:29:22 GMT -6
For recruiting purposes, I sure hope the news of who the new coach is breaks by this weekend and we have the coach introduced early next week. If it isnt Barone there is a lot of work to do to assemble a full D1 roster for next year.
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Post by knightlife920 on Apr 9, 2015 12:52:35 GMT -6
Venci just said on Twitter that the search will continue for at least a few more days as they are interested in guys who couldn't make it to Indianapolis to interview this past weekend. That tells me that no one has blown them away at all so I would not be surprised if a dark horse emerged as a leading candidate in the coming days.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 9, 2015 13:49:25 GMT -6
Joe Wolf seems like the guy who couldn't make it to Indy last week...
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Post by Fanforever on Apr 9, 2015 13:49:46 GMT -6
Venci also tweeted that he checked the schedule of the Brooklyn Nets and they play in Milwaukee on Sunday. So she could be waiting to interview him.
He also stated that MEG has contacted some candidates for second interviews and will ask about further visions for the program.
I have to add that Venci has and continues to be a breath of fresh air on the reporting side of the Phoenix.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 9, 2015 14:33:56 GMT -6
Based on Wolf's resume he would need some pretty salty assistant coaches with strong JUCO, prep and AAU contacts. A hold over from the current staff would help tremendously. Recruiting is the life blood of a program. After that comes skill development and game coaching. The college game is radically different than the pro game.
Models for successful D1 coaching hires:
Dick Bennett, master teacher, success at the D3 level Nolan Richardson, JUCO coach who brought his starting five to Tulsa University and wins the NIT the next year, followed by years of NCAA runs. Al McGuire, super salesman, from a no name Catholic NAIA school in North Carolina
Are there lessons in those three examples for Green Bay.
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Post by carr34 on Apr 9, 2015 15:05:50 GMT -6
Based on Wolf's resume he would need some pretty salty assistant coaches with strong JUCO, prep and AAU contacts. A hold over from the current staff would help tremendously. Recruiting is the life blood of a program. After that comes skill development and game coaching. The college game is radically different than the pro game. Models for successful D1 coaching hires: Dick Bennett, master teacher, success at the D3 levelNolan Richardson, JUCO coach who brought his starting five to Tulsa University and wins the NIT the next year, followed by years of NCAA runs. Al McGuire, super salesman, from a no name Catholic NAIA school in North Carolina Are there lessons in those three examples for Green Bay. Actually Tulsa, Dick had success at the NAIA level. But point taken.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 9, 2015 19:37:41 GMT -6
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 9, 2015 19:57:20 GMT -6
Chris Roth pointed out that the search is in day 13. It took Bothof 16 days to figure out assistant Brian Wardle was the right pick as head coach. The delay cost Wardle prime recruiting time and at least one player who would have been huge for Green Bay. History seems to be repeating itself. A veteran AD would have a laundry list ahead of time for a situation like this. How much of a surprise was it that Wardle would leave?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 9, 2015 22:15:25 GMT -6
I have had the opportunity to get to know MEG a little bit over the last one year plus and I can write with no doubt that I am not worried about her ability to make this decision. If the coach hasn't been hired yet there is a good reason for it. We may never know the reason but she is not the type to sit back and be lazy.
I also think it is unfair to say the search is on day 13. If they end up hiring Barone or Gary G. then yes I would agree. To a lesser extent Diener as well since all are local and easy to interview. With GB's lack of resources and the simplicity of interviewing at the Final Four this search is really only one week old. She may have had her short list well before that but nothing matters until the interviews start and I don't think anyone thinks they should have used up money flying candidates in when they could meet them a few days later anyway at the coaching convention.
The more I think about it the more I think they are leaning towards Wolf or one of the D1 assistants. Wolf since he clearly couldn't interview last weekend or the others since they might want to come on campus first to check things out. It might be a waste of resources but one of the local media outlets should have had an intern sitting at the Kress all week to see who is coming in and out. If MEG isn't talking it wouldn't take much to see who is visiting and then report it.
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 10, 2015 8:43:27 GMT -6
IMO this is good news that it is taking this long. Means Barone nor GG really wow'd her and she is looking for better candidates (hopefully). I think Joe Wolf would be a great hire, but his college coaching "ties" will hold him back in the pool of qualified candidates. It does not look like Semling or Miller are serious candidates, which is too bad. Both have way more success at the d3 level than a guy like GG. In the end, I hope it comes down to Diener or Darner, with Wolf being the dark horse candidate.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 10, 2015 9:07:59 GMT -6
GBPhoenix1 -- I don't think MEG is lazy, from what I have seen she is hardworking, intelligent and creative. I do think she is inexperienced and that is hurting the process. She also is operating under a budget that would challenge any of us to maximize resources in the search effort. No matter how you slice it -- it wouldn't take a psychic to anticipate Wardle's exit and because of that you should already have a short list. The delays are already having an impact on recruiting. This needed to be wrapped up as soon as it was legally possible to make the hire. Here's an interesting link on the issue of hiring a coach. www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2717.0Timing can be everything in recruiting a coach. Marquette came within ten minutes of hiring Tony Bennett back when he was at Washington State. It's a heck of a story about offers on the table, deadlines and delaying a phone call
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 10, 2015 11:52:58 GMT -6
Tulsa GBPhoenix1 -- I don't think MEG is lazy, from what I have seen she is hardworking, intelligent and creative. I do think she is inexperienced and that is hurting the process. She also is operating under a budget that would challenge any of us to maximize resources in the search effort. No matter how you slice it -- it wouldn't take a psychic to anticipate Wardle's exit and because of that you should already have a short list. The delays are already having an impact on recruiting. This needed to be wrapped up as soon as it was legally possible to make the hire. Here's an interesting link on the issue of hiring a coach. www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2717.0Timing can be everything in recruiting a coach. Marquette came within ten minutes of hiring Tony Bennett back when he was at Washington State. It's a heck of a story about offers on the table, deadlines and delaying a phone call I think you're right Tulsa. I don't want it to hang on but I would rather get it right than hire the wrong Coach. I know this could hurt next year but I'm looking at the next 10+ years. The 1st year is always tough for a new Coach anyway. I think it points to J Wolf and I can see a lot of upside with him. Like someone said earlier what recruit would want to say no to him! Down side is he has to get the Asst. Coaches right. If he buys a house in the UWGB area it would be a 45 min. ride home to family. After all these years of traveling around the NBA and D League settling down close to family probably looks nice to him for 10-15 years. I still think there are 3-4 good Coaching candidates that want this job.
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Post by knightlife920 on Apr 10, 2015 12:01:48 GMT -6
If not Grzesk its got to be Wolf. My guess is by Monday or Tuesday (after the Nets are in town) we will have at least an announcement. I do not have a problem with Wolf, he seems like the type of guy with the killer instinct that Wardle did not possess. My vote is still for Grzesk but Wolf would be the best consolation for me.
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Post by carr34 on Apr 10, 2015 12:32:17 GMT -6
I don't want to come off as bashing Joe Wolf but have any of you ever talked with Joe for an extended period of time? I have and I would say that he is not exactly oozing charisma. I have to be honest, Joe would be at the bottom of any list I put together for this job. There is nothing in his background that would point to his being ready to run a D1 program much less a program like GB that will require a coach that is ready to grind and grind and grind. I am curious about some saying "a kid could not turn him down". What exactly would be his big selling point..."I played one year with MJ 15 years before you were born", I coached Larry Sanders for a year or two"? I would bet that most recruits have never heard of Joe Wolf.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 10, 2015 13:12:57 GMT -6
I don't want to come off as bashing Joe Wolf but have any of you ever talked with Joe for an extended period of time? I have and I would say that he is not exactly oozing charisma. I have to be honest, Joe would be at the bottom of any list I put together for this job. There is nothing in his background that would point to his being ready to run a D1 program much less a program like GB that will require a coach that is ready to grind and grind and grind. I am curious about some saying "a kid could not turn him down". What exactly would be his big selling point..."I played one year with MJ 15 years before you were born", I coached Larry Sanders for a year or two"? I would bet that most recruits have never heard of Joe Wolf. You are right I've never talked with Mr. Wolf. So I don't know his personality. Plus I've been wrong before lol. Most D1 recruits dream of making it to the NBA. But mostly what I know is just what I read. Seeing he has coached pros in the D league and the CBA give him credibility because his teams won the league or finished near the top? "Joseph James "Joe" Wolf (born December 17, 1964) is a retired American professional basketball player who played in the NBA. He was the 13th overall pick of the 1987 NBA Draft, selected by the Los Angeles Clippers. He played college basketball at the University of North Carolina. He averaged 4.2 points and 3.3 rebounds per game throughout an 11 year professional career. He is currently an assistant coach for the Brooklyn Nets of the National Basketball Association. In February 2005, a vote was conducted by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel to select the all-time Wisconsin high school boys basketball team. As a result of this vote, Joe Wolf was named Wisconsin's all-time greatest high school basketball player based on his dominant 4 year performance at Kohler High School.[1] Wolf and his wife, Jill, currently reside in Wisconsin.Wolf served as head coach of the Idaho Stampede of the CBA and the Colorado 14ers of the NBA Development League. He also worked 6 years with the Milwaukee Bucks as an assistant coach. For the 2014–15 season, Wolf was hired by the Brooklyn Nets as an assistant to new head coach Lionel Hollins."This is also why I said he would have to have very good Asst. Coaches and yes he didn't have a great NBA career.
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