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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 8, 2015 15:10:49 GMT -6
I'm becoming increasing afraid she will opt for a beauty contest winner. GB needs someone who understands the institution from the get go, has recruiting contacts in the upper Midwest and can hit the ground without a massive new employee orientation session. "This is Wisconsin, this is the Fox River Valley, etc."
That does not limit the options to Barone but the talk of a current high major assistant is something that suggests a cluster disaster. The only except to that would be Greg Gard.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Apr 8, 2015 15:15:47 GMT -6
At this point i am tired of speculating on our next coach and want to find out who it is. I know KB took forever in naming BW but i anticipated knowing by now. Has anyone heard any rumors on who the clubhouse leader is? There really are a lot of good candidates to choose from and am excited for whoever gets the job, whether it be GG, BB, JW or Diener. It does not matter they all have positive attributes that could take our program to the next level. I also think it's getting old. I hope we have a announcement today or tomorrow? We may disagree on the order but you would think it's 1 of the 4. So MEG get a move on it so they can start targeting Asst. Coaches and recruits!. lol
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 8, 2015 15:34:57 GMT -6
I think there are multiple candidates that are better coaches with better resumes than Gary G. Linc Darner being one of them. Joe Wolf would be a slam dunk hire. I also think, Diener would be a successful hire (the person stating that Diener has more resources than Gary G is laughable). Gary G has the worst resume out of all the candidates. Pat Miller has more wins, NCAA wins, and ships.... as does Semling compared to Gary G. If nobody knew who Gary G was or had ties to GB, would he even be getting interviewed? I think it would be a horrible hire and a disgrace to other candidates to go with GG. 1) Diener 2) Darner 3) Barone 4) Wolf 5) Fife (if still interested) 6) Semling or Miller 7) Gary G. Hey! I'm supposed to be the guy everyone hates on here! Seriously though, you must either be a troll or you simply have no clue about anything resembling basketball. Grzesk embarrassing? His track record speaks for itself: 5 tourney appearances in the last 8 years after the school had been there once in four decades prior, two UNDEFEATED runs through conference play in a row, A couple of tourney wins (due to the awful seed they get as they receive no love from the selection committee), recruited and produced All-Americans back to back years at a school that has played second fiddle to the major UW schools and not to mention he has exactly 0 scholarships to work with. Plus, Grzesk has had his sights on this job for a while and I could not imagine him leaving unless it was for a monster payday. You literally have no idea what he has done with the minuscule amount of "resources" he has. You my friend are a joke. You clearly have a bias "Knightlife", assuming your handle has something to do with SNC Green Knights as well. I am very familiar with D3 basketball (probably a lot more than you). Out of Semling, GG, and Pat Miller...who has the most wins, conference ships, and national ships (list them in order for me) at the division three level? Since that is what you are raving GG winning so much at the division three level, how many national tournament games has he won at the division three level? I know that Miller and Semling have more national championships than GG has tournament freaking wins!! This is just at the D3 level! Diener has a ship at the NAIA level with less schollys compared to the other powerhouse NAIA schools. Darner has a National Championships at the NCAA Division two level! Do your research on the other candidates before you open your big pie hole spouting the least qualified candidate is the "man for the job". Would GG even get an interview without his ties? I highly doubt it and hope they do not hire him. Any of the other names on the list would make me happy (minus Barone).
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Post by carr34 on Apr 8, 2015 16:13:40 GMT -6
I think there are multiple candidates that are better coaches with better resumes than Gary G. Linc Darner being one of them. Joe Wolf would be a slam dunk hire. I also think, Diener would be a successful hire (the person stating that Diener has more resources than Gary G is laughable). Gary G has the worst resume out of all the candidates. Pat Miller has more wins, NCAA wins, and ships.... as does Semling compared to Gary G. If nobody knew who Gary G was or had ties to GB, would he even be getting interviewed? I think it would be a horrible hire and a disgrace to other candidates to go with GG. 1) Diener 2) Darner 3) Barone 4) Wolf 5) Fife (if still interested) 6) Semling or Miller 7) Gary G. Hey! I'm supposed to be the guy everyone hates on here! Seriously though, you must either be a troll or you simply have no clue about anything resembling basketball. Grzesk embarrassing? His track record speaks for itself: 5 tourney appearances in the last 8 years after the school had been there once in four decades prior, two UNDEFEATED runs through conference play in a row, A couple of tourney wins (due to the awful seed they get as they receive no love from the selection committee), recruited and produced All-Americans back to back years at a school that has played second fiddle to the major UW schools and not to mention he has exactly 0 scholarships to work with. Plus, Grzesk has had his sights on this job for a while and I could not imagine him leaving unless it was for a monster payday. You literally have no idea what he has done with the minuscule amount of "resources" he has. You my friend are a joke. I don't want to get in a pissing match with you Knight as I think it is very cool that you back Gary as much as you do. I also would never say anything bad about Gary as I have always found him to be a wonderful guy and he can clearly coach. My only argument with you is on the resources available between he and Diener. I know that you have never set foot in the Stritch gym because if you had you would understand that they have the worst facility in the country. They literally have 5 rows of bleachers on one side of the gym. There is an old school walking track above that is now filled with chairs and standing room for big games. And I don't think you understand how difficult it is to field a National Championship team when you have 2.5 scholarships vs. the 6 that the rest of your conference and national schools are afforded. While it is not an apples to apples comparison, imagine if Wisconsin had only 5 schollies to hand out compared to the 13 the rest of D1 has. Would you expectations for winning be less? I happen to believe that at a place like GB, not the biggest budget or most amazing campus etc that a guy that has won big with less would be a great pick. That makes Diener a very good choice.
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Post by fightphoe93 on Apr 8, 2015 17:49:32 GMT -6
I'm becoming increasing afraid she will opt for a beauty contest winner. GB needs someone who understands the institution from the get go, has recruiting contacts in the upper Midwest and can hit the ground without a massive new employee orientation session. "This is Wisconsin, this is the Fox River Valley, etc." That does not limit the options to Barone but the talk of a current high major assistant is something that suggests a cluster disaster. The only except to that would be Greg Gard. Tulsa, who is it that you are hearing is in the "lead" for the job right now?
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 8, 2015 18:20:08 GMT -6
My sources aren't as good as they once were. There's no inside information from me just a feeling she wants a beauty contest high level D1 assistant. Like I said unless it's Greg Gard at Wisconsin I wouldn't go that route. Gard might take the job because he has a nice retirement state package already and if he wants a high D1 level job like replacing Bo it would help to have a number of years of successful head coaching under his belt.
I think there are some outstanding candidates who could find the Resch Center and the Green Bay Campus without having to use a GPS. If you have Gillespie's attention tell her to call me I have decades of hiring experience and have learned, from making my share of mistakes. Green Bay can't afford a mistake.
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Post by knightlife920 on Apr 8, 2015 21:08:28 GMT -6
Hey! I'm supposed to be the guy everyone hates on here! Seriously though, you must either be a troll or you simply have no clue about anything resembling basketball. Grzesk embarrassing? His track record speaks for itself: 5 tourney appearances in the last 8 years after the school had been there once in four decades prior, two UNDEFEATED runs through conference play in a row, A couple of tourney wins (due to the awful seed they get as they receive no love from the selection committee), recruited and produced All-Americans back to back years at a school that has played second fiddle to the major UW schools and not to mention he has exactly 0 scholarships to work with. Plus, Grzesk has had his sights on this job for a while and I could not imagine him leaving unless it was for a monster payday. You literally have no idea what he has done with the minuscule amount of "resources" he has. You my friend are a joke. You clearly have a bias "Knightlife", assuming your handle has something to do with SNC Green Knights as well. I am very familiar with D3 basketball (probably a lot more than you). Out of Semling, GG, and Pat Miller...who has the most wins, conference ships, and national ships (list them in order for me) at the division three level? Since that is what you are raving GG winning so much at the division three level, how many national tournament games has he won at the division three level? I know that Miller and Semling have more national championships than GG has tournament freaking wins!! This is just at the D3 level! Diener has a ship at the NAIA level with less schollys compared to the other powerhouse NAIA schools. Darner has a National Championships at the NCAA Division two level! Do your research on the other candidates before you open your big pie hole spouting the least qualified candidate is the "man for the job". Would GG even get an interview without his ties? I highly doubt it and hope they do not hire him. Any of the other names on the list would make me happy (minus Barone). Its not that I have anything against Diener, its the fact that with absolutely no knowledge whatsoever, you bash Grzesk and would call his hire an embarrassment. I'm honestly not a huge fan of the Knights, I simply go there, but of all the candidates he has to be one of the top two. You must've ignored me when I said that I was impressed at how far he's brought this program along. I'm not going to repeat all of my reasons for wanting Gary, you'll have to actually read my posts to find them out but the fact is his success at all aspects of coaching cannot be ignored.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 8, 2015 21:54:51 GMT -6
The debate on who should be coach tells me one thing......This pool of candidates is the biggest since I have followed the GB program since my HS days in 1988. When TK was hired and to a lesser extent BW, it was 1-2 guys that were good candidates, but nothing that got fans into a frenzy. Once you got past the first couple candidates, the rest of the pool was underwhelming. There are 3-4 in this current pool that probably would get us excited, and maybe another 3 that we could probably say would be a solid hire. This will be a tough hire by MEG as this program is now in a crossroads. We began the slow, and sometimes painfully slow progression of this program under TK and BW after the Heideman Era, and although we are 19 years and counting since the last NCAA appearance, the program has improved.
However, we need a coach (a mid-major version of Tom Izzo in March, where no matter how his teams do in the regular season, they will make a push in March, as we saw this past season) who can get a team to peak in late February and March even if they struggled in the regular season. At this point I want to see a coach who has taken deep runs in the post-season (whether it is D1, D2, D3, or NAIA) and won championships. That leaves us with Darner, Deiner, Miller, and Semling. Since I havent' heard anything about Semling in this process, I think we can say that he's probably not in he group of finalists. Greszk has brought the SNC program from the doldrums, but he has not gotten SNC out of the first weekend of the D3 tourney.....where as Semling and Miller have and have championships to show for it. The same for Deiner and Darner.
Tulsa, I too am afraid that this is becoming a beauty contest......and dragging out. I will worry if we don't have a press conference with a new coach in place by Friday. Not only MEG needs to get this hire right, but it has to be done quickly. Her tenure as AD will depend on it.....
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Apr 8, 2015 22:31:27 GMT -6
I am not worried yet. It has only been one week since she has started to interview people. I don't think it should be a race. Make the right hire, don't rush to make a hire.
Besides not hiring anyone yet could tell us lots of different things, good or bad. Maybe they offered it to someone and they turned it down. Maybe they want to bring a few of the outsiders on campus first before they commit to make sure it is a fit. Maybe the person they are going to hire needs to get their ducks in a row with their current job. Maybe the person they want is a candidate for a different job and GB has to wait and see. Maybe their top candidate wants more money and she is trying to get it together quickly or something else in the contract negotiation is going on. Maybe they are doing formal back ground checks to make sure they don't get a Chris Jans or George O'Leary situation. Maybe she made a pick and the powers that be didn't bless it.
I have been leaning towards Barone. With Foster and Karius supposedly on their way to Bradley perhaps the delay is to allow him to get a staff organized so it can be announced at once. With that said the other one that would make sense based on the wait would be Joe Wolf. Over the last week the Nets played Friday, Saturday, Monday, Wednesday and Friday. They are pushing towards the playoffs so I don't think he can just bail.
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Post by basketballfan14 on Apr 9, 2015 7:46:51 GMT -6
The debate on who should be coach tells me one thing...... This pool of candidates is the biggest since I have followed the GB program since my HS days in 1988. When TK was hired and to a lesser extent BW, it was 1-2 guys that were good candidates, but nothing that got fans into a frenzy. Once you got past the first couple candidates, the rest of the pool was underwhelming. There are 3-4 in this current pool that probably would get us excited, and maybe another 3 that we could probably say would be a solid hire. This will be a tough hire by MEG as this program is now in a crossroads. We began the slow, and sometimes painfully slow progression of this program under TK and BW after the Heideman Era, and although we are 19 years and counting since the last NCAA appearance, the program has improved. However, we need a coach (a mid-major version of Tom Izzo in March, where no matter how his teams do in the regular season, they will make a push in March, as we saw this past season) who can get a team to peak in late February and March even if they struggled in the regular season. At this point I want to see a coach who has taken deep runs in the post-season (whether it is D1, D2, D3, or NAIA) and won championships. That leaves us with Darner, Deiner, Miller, and Semling. Since I havent' heard anything about Semling in this process, I think we can say that he's probably not in he group of finalists. Greszk has brought the SNC program from the doldrums, but he has not gotten SNC out of the first weekend of the D3 tourney.....where as Semling and Miller have and have championships to show for it. The same for Deiner and Darner. Tulsa, I too am afraid that this is becoming a beauty contest......and dragging out. I will worry if we don't have a press conference with a new coach in place by Friday. Not only MEG needs to get this hire right, but it has to be done quickly. Her tenure as AD will depend on it..... I agree with everything you are saying here especially in the bold. It is awesome to have a good mid major program where coaches WANT to coach here! This is definitely a deep pool of candidates. The other bold statements is basically what I was trying to get across to the "knightlife" guy on here, but obviously to no avail (clearly has ties with GG). All of the candidates that are coming from smaller schools, conferences, or divisions have won national tournaments. Diener, Darner, Semling, and Miller have all accomplished that feat with the exception of GG. I want somebody who wins in March! I still really like Joe Wolf as a candidate as well. I think he would bring huge name value with a lot of connections in the Wisky area. Who wouldn't want to go to a school and play for a guy who played in the NBA, and was successful and also was on the coaching bench in the NBA. As for Barone, I have cooled on him. Him and GG would be my least favorite choices.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 9, 2015 7:53:18 GMT -6
Those are all excellent points. That said if this is a money issue the AD has the wrong fit for GB. The time delay hurt Wardle when he was hired as Green Bay's head coach. At this point the new man needs to hit a grand slam at the introduction news conference and have key pieces of his operation in place from the get go.
A final thought -- is it better to pick the devil you know rather than the devil you don't know? The candidates that currently live in Wisconsin are a lot easier to get a solid read on than the beauty contest variety. The same would apply to someone MEG has had a working relationship with in the past.
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Post by shooting the J on Apr 9, 2015 8:18:32 GMT -6
It's time to make a decision. If one can't be made by now, then MEG wasn't as prepared for this as she needed to be, and I doubt that's true. The present coaching responsibilities of Joe Wolf is an uncommon issue that needs to be addressed if he's the choice.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 9, 2015 9:11:25 GMT -6
I have cooled on Gary based on his playoff records compared to Diener, Darner, Miller, and even Semling. This is what we railed on TK and more so with BW when they did in the conference tournament or a post season tourney (albeit the CBI, CIT or NIT). We failed at the moment of truth with a shot at the NCAA's. And when we got to the CBI, CIT, or NIT, we looked like we didn't want to be there. Look at teams we played this season and in recent years....Miami got to the NIT Final 4, Loyola won the CBI, and Evansville won the CIT. Not 'sexy' tournaments, but their respective teams picked up the pieces of a season that did not meet expectations and made the best of the situation at hand. This did not happen with TK and BW.
If Barone is hired, it may stop the mass exodus, but if he doesn't become the active face of the program I don't if he can take the program to places TK or BW could not. Basketball knowledge aside, if he isn't part salesman, not just with recruits, but disenchanted fans, I don't know if this program will continue to grow.
To answer Tulsa's question....At this point in the program's crossroads, I will take the devil we don't know. In the end, the devil is still the devil.....;-) 1. With what we do know with Gary versus the other top candidates, he is GB Basketball history and has name recognition at least in WI, we know he will have the pack-line defense and some form of the motion offense, he can build a program, but his lack of success in the D3 tourney it would only bring us to a point where BW got us. Now was it a function of SNC hitting a ceiling due to the small size of the program maxing it's ability (versus the WIAC: UWP, UWSP, UWW)? Or is it something in Gary's in-game coaching/adjustments that is not conducive to successful tourney basketball? 2. With Joe Wolf, if he is truly a candidate, we know that he can be a conduit for those players interested in playing a pro-style offense or playing in the NBA, NBA-D or even in Europe. He like Gary, also has name recognition, but other that one year at George Mason, he doesn't not have any significant college head coaching experience. How will he recruit? His staff composition would probably the most important versus the other candidates.....Also, would he (or can he) resign from the Nets immediately to take the GB job? If he can't come until mid to late May, then 2015-2016 is a lost season and if there is a mass exodus of the current roster and recruits, be prepared for a single-digit win total. Wolf, based on his name pull in this state and NBA experience has the highest ceiling for program success, but if this is done wrong, this has also the most potential for this program crashing and burning. 3. Deiner also has name recognition (especially with his dad and uncle) and has done more with less at Cardinal Stitch. He also has some D1 experience between UVA and DePaul and would underatsnd those pitfalls. He would have no problems with the budget constraints at GB, and be able to maximize results with fewer recourses in the mid-major D1 realm. My only question is where would he be able to pull legitimate D1-level talent? What we don't know is what kind of offensive/defensive system would he run? 4. With Miller, we do know he has been successful at UWW and has won a championship and gone deep into the D3 tourney. What we don't know however, other than a HS coaching stint, he has not coached anywhere else (at the D1, D2, D3, or NAIA). Would he be a deer in the headlights at the mid-major D1 level without experience somewhere else? Would he shortchange the program in recruiting by not shooting for the moon so to speak? If he's pulling guys in which GB is the only D1 offer, then I would begin to worry, unless he is a tactical genius like DB or Bo. 5. Although Semling is a long shot at best at this point, I know that he was a part of the downfall of the program under Heideman. Would MEG hire someone from the DB tree than was part of a sinking ship? It's not Semling's fault for the program downfall since he was not HC, and we do know that he has bounced back by helping to make UWSP a D3 powerhouse, but at his stage in his career how hard would he work to get mid-major D1 recruits to GB? The same recruiting concerns I have for Miller also apply to Semling. The HL is a different place than when Semling was here last time; recruiting is tougher now. 6. Darner: We do know that compared to the other candidates that Darner is highly successful in the D2 tourney. One championship this year, and a good number of deep tourney runs.....What we don't now is will he leave a plumb D2 job in FL for a low-budget D1 program in GB? We don know he has a good working relationship with MEG and one of her staffers, which will help. What we don't know is how and where this guy will recruit or what system he will run. If he's a hard-core Gene Keady guy, he would most likely run a variable motion offense (3 in, 2 out; and 1 in, and 4 out) and man defense. Also those Keady teams spent a lot of time in the weight room and played a brand of physical BB, which has been missing from this program. 7. For any other names thrown out there from the high-major D1 programs, I would be most leery. I did say I would rather have the devil we don't know, but most of these other guys, we REALLY don't know what we will get. GB is an outpost on the D1 trail; I think most of them would have some culture shock.....I would qualify my original answer by saying that each of these 'devils' as Tulsa described would need to have a little something we know.....at the end, the devil is still the devil. I just want that devil to win games and get back to the NCAA's and if not, make a deep run in the CBI, CIT, or NIT, and not just a guest appearance for 1 dreadful game.
My top 3 (in this order): Darner, Deiner, Wolf (if he can leave the Nets immediately)....If Wolf is not a serious candidate, the Gary would be #3.
Tp paraphrase NFL Commish, Roger Goodell, MEG is on the clock........
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Apr 9, 2015 10:27:23 GMT -6
Speaking of the devil you know versus the devil you don't know -- lets look back at history. When Mike Heideman was fired former AD, Ken Bothof had that choice. Tony Bennett came in for a perfunctory interview and was never considered seriously. Bothof went with Marquette assistant Tod Kolwalczyk. Despite disclaimers it was a complete divorce from the Bennett Days. Could Tony have turned things around with the help of his dad and the family connections in basketball? We'll never know. Bothof went for a guy who had a high major resume at several schools. Tod did turn things around from the direction the program had been under Heideman but not to what the fan base wanted.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 9, 2015 10:49:51 GMT -6
Good point. But Tony probably was a bit too young at that point in his career back in 2002 when he was 31-32, but the same thing was said about BW when he was 30 when hired. It was a divorce from the Bennett Era when TK was hired, since Mike Heideman drove that program into the ground.....The timing wasn't there for TB to take over the program. What if.......
With the pool this year, and who's near the top its a group of D2, D3, and NAIA head coaches, some of who have won championships, and most have in-state history to some degree, it's just a matter of MEG going off in a new direction and avoiding the Bennett and Crean/TK/BW trees (if we want to call it that), which would leave us with Deiner, Darner, and Wolf.
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