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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 14, 2024 9:26:55 GMT -6
The people screaming him down are giving off “we don’t want no big city smooth talker” vibes. Critique the lack of experience, absolutely. Critique him likely not being THE long term guy, obviously. But most of the critiques I see a little on here but mostly on Twitter is they just don’t like his personality. If you think he’s a snake oil salesman, he’d just be taking over Sunny’s carnival booth at worst.
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Post by gbguy on May 14, 2024 9:41:06 GMT -6
The people screaming him down are giving off “we don’t want no big city smooth talker” vibes. Critique the lack of experience, absolutely. Critique him likely not being THE long term guy, obviously. But most of the critiques I see a little on here but mostly on Twitter is they just don’t like his personality. If you think he’s a snake oil salesman, he’d just be taking over Sunny’s carnival booth at worst. I don't care about big city smooth talkers at all. He has no college coaching experience at even the assistant level. He seemingly has no coaching experience at all outside of the Maccabiah Games. What qualities does he bring to make people think he'd be successful? He hosts a radio show? I think if the best thing you can say is "he gives us exposure," then that is pretty insulting to the hard work that coaches have to do to build a modern college basketball program. Recruiting, retaining, fundraising, practices, game-time, etc. Exposure is but a small part of what makes a program successful. And that is why I worry that as soon as the work gets too hard, that he'll just move on. And where will we be then? |
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 14, 2024 9:49:52 GMT -6
If it is Doug, I can see what he brings and what he lacks.
I will wait to hear his whole plan and see who he brings in before passing judgement.
I will stay cautiously optimistic until further notice.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 14, 2024 9:54:13 GMT -6
The people screaming him down are giving off “we don’t want no big city smooth talker” vibes. Critique the lack of experience, absolutely. Critique him likely not being THE long term guy, obviously. But most of the critiques I see a little on here but mostly on Twitter is they just don’t like his personality. If you think he’s a snake oil salesman, he’d just be taking over Sunny’s carnival booth at worst. I don't care about big city smooth talkers at all. He has no college coaching experience at even the assistant level. He seemingly has no coaching experience at all outside of the Maccabiah Games. What qualities does he bring to make people think he'd be successful? He hosts a radio show? I think if the best thing you can say is "he gives us exposure," then that is pretty insulting to the hard work that coaches have to do to build a modern college basketball program. Recruiting, retaining, fundraising, practices, game-time, etc. Exposure is but a small part of what makes a program successful. And that is why I worry that as soon as the work gets too hard, that he'll just move on. And where will we be then? Treating D1 basketball as it was even 3 years ago is a fool’s errand. “Retaining players” is not a reality at the moment for low-major programs. Recruiting is done just as much, if not more, on social media than it is in person. Fundraising can come in droves with the right donor(s). You can say it’s an insult the game and the process has changed for those coaches, but it’s not insulting to say that the old playbook of slow buildup is mostly over, especially for teams that have been D1 for as long as GB has. Times change, adapt or perish |
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Post by PantherU on May 14, 2024 9:54:52 GMT -6
One of my twitter DM groups brought up Brian's post on this forum from last year where he talks about Gottlieb's radio show after Wicks got the job, he didn't seem too enthusiastic. Gottlieb sounded last year like he'd be a part time figurehead. How would that be good this time around? Perhaps he changed his pitch.
I mean...Pat Baldwin Sr. was an absolute nightmare for us and had decades of experience as an assistant coach. Gottlieb doesn't even have that.
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Post by pdf0427 on May 14, 2024 9:59:36 GMT -6
My preference in hiring a basketball coach would be to hire a basketball coach.
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Post by 2024 uwgb men’s manager will on May 14, 2024 10:17:35 GMT -6
One of my twitter DM groups brought up Brian's post on this forum from last year where he talks about Gottlieb's radio show after Wicks got the job, he didn't seem too enthusiastic. Gottlieb sounded last year like he'd be a part time figurehead. How would that be good this time around? Perhaps he changed his pitch. I mean...Pat Baldwin Sr. was an absolute nightmare for us and had decades of experience as an assistant coach. Gottlieb doesn't even have that. Sadly it’s not all about being a basketball coach. Last year it was between wicks and John Brannen. Darner who I was a manager for got fired because of people skills how he was with donors. Raising money you have to be able to do that or he would still be the head coach for what 10 years now. Uwgb had a disaster in Will Ryan you don’t know until you hire the guy. |
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Post by gbguy on May 14, 2024 10:18:10 GMT -6
I don't care about big city smooth talkers at all. He has no college coaching experience at even the assistant level. He seemingly has no coaching experience at all outside of the Maccabiah Games. What qualities does he bring to make people think he'd be successful? He hosts a radio show? I think if the best thing you can say is "he gives us exposure," then that is pretty insulting to the hard work that coaches have to do to build a modern college basketball program. Recruiting, retaining, fundraising, practices, game-time, etc. Exposure is but a small part of what makes a program successful. And that is why I worry that as soon as the work gets too hard, that he'll just move on. And where will we be then? Treating D1 basketball as it was even 3 years ago is a fool’s errand. “Retaining players” is not a reality at the moment for low-major programs. Recruiting is done just as much, if not more, on social media than it is in person. Fundraising can come in droves with the right donor(s). You can say it’s an insult the game and the process has changed for those coaches, but it’s not insulting to say that the old playbook of slow buildup is mostly over, especially for teams that have been D1 for as long as GB has. Times change, adapt or perish Who said anything about a slow build up? If anything a coach's job is harder now than it was before. But you still have to recruit (both high schoolers and the portal), you still have to try to retain your players and keep them out of the portal, and no I don't think "recruiting is done just as much" on social media. Coaches are still putting in the hard work of travelling to recruit and keep their players. I agree that any program has to "adapt" to these new times or else they will "perish." I just don't think the best way to adapt is to hire a coach who has never spent time on a college bench before. |
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Post by risingsince04 on May 14, 2024 10:41:37 GMT -6
I don’t know that I have any strong preference on who they select. All I know is that if I was doing the hiring it would be based mostly off of the interview and the plan they had in place for the first 90 days. I’d be paying close attention to the recruits they felt they could bring in, the coaching staff they’d expect to assemble, and their plan to maintain forward momentum with the fans and donors. I want names and specifics. I’d want to be feeling good about the product they were creating this year and worrying much less about the long term. I just don’t see many scenarios where we get someone that’s going to come in and be successful for even 5 years. I’d be upset if it was only 1, but it’s always a risk. I don’t like that philosophy, but I think it’s become the reality.
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Post by cuchillo on May 14, 2024 10:56:56 GMT -6
The Doug Gottlieb Show moving to Green Bay...? Gee...look at that. |
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Post by 24for3 on May 14, 2024 11:02:04 GMT -6
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Post by 24for3 on May 14, 2024 11:40:38 GMT -6
He has a 14-15 year old son who appears to be a BB prospect, and is very involved in his life.
He went through a divorce in the last year and am wondering if his son will move with him? This could be his dream of coaching him in 4 years?
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Post by yayphoenixyay on May 14, 2024 11:49:26 GMT -6
Could be a swing and a miss but at least the university is trying something different! I'm curious as to what the rest of the staff looks like now.
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 14, 2024 11:59:39 GMT -6
…..and so it begins.
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Post by appletonphoenixfan on May 14, 2024 12:00:32 GMT -6
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the interview, last year or this year. What is it about DG that made Josh Moon (and presumably the Chancellor and others) make this decision? Josh has done a pretty good job making decisions up to this point so I guess he deserves the benefit of the doubt, but the decision is still such a head scratcher.
One thing, for sure, will happen... GB men's basketball will be in the news on a regular basis and DG will be the face we see. He'll be a promoter of the program and he'll carry on "the juice" that Sunny started. Let's see if he can keep the players on the roster and be a recruiter to fill the remaining spots with talent.
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