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Post by gbbrl97 on Jun 1, 2020 14:53:01 GMT -6
They have $720k plus the immediate future of the program at stake here. I might be the only one crazy enough to believe this but I think they are going to pull off a big time hire. The reasons why this had to happen can be debated until all of the cows in Brown County come home. The future is what matters right now. This might be looked at as the time they lit a bunch of money on fire or it might be looked at as the time GB raised their own bar of expectations to gain a competitive advantage. In relation to what and who comes next I think GB is capable of more and people in GB need to be willing to think bigger than they have been. Hope you're right and CG surprises all of us. With what has transpired in May and the timing w/ COVID-19, the end of the tennis program, and Linc's contract, this does not look good for CG and the Chancellor right now.
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Post by fansincebuss on Jun 1, 2020 14:57:30 GMT -6
They have $720k plus the immediate future of the program at stake here. I might be the only one crazy enough to believe this but I think they are going to pull off a big time hire. The reasons why this had to happen can be debated until all of the cows in Brown County come home. The future is what matters right now. This might be looked at as the time they lit a bunch of money on fire or it might be looked at as the time GB raised their own bar of expectations to gain a competitive advantage. In relation to what and who comes next I think GB is capable of more and people in GB need to be willing to think bigger than they have been. I hope you are correct, but you are much more optimistic than I am. I have lost confidence in this administration, but hope to be proven wrong.
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on Jun 1, 2020 15:21:55 GMT -6
How is the UWL coach even being thrown out there as a name on Vencis tweet?
He is 7 games above 500 in two seasons. On what planet is that a good enough resume for a D-1 program?
Some people need to get real. GB is not IUPUI or Chicago St. They actually have a tradition of being a successful program despite a limited budget.
In my book they haven’t hit a dud in their past 3 hires. All 3 are capable d-1 coaches. Sometimes you just gotta move on.
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Post by cudahykid on Jun 1, 2020 15:53:00 GMT -6
They need to reach out to Julian Swartz. ACC assistant with tons of Wisconsin ties (In Wisconsin High School Hall of Fame). Played for Dick Bennett. Great recruiter! Simple Simple Simple
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jun 1, 2020 20:59:56 GMT -6
When I take a look at the financal reports of the university and athletics in particular I am optimistic for the D1 status and the sports offerings GB has.
The university provides tuition waivers (not scholarships) and provides money for operating expenses.
The tuition waiver is about half of the money the university provides. Think about that for a second. They are not actually providing money, they are not collecting all of the money that they could. If GB were operating at maximum student capacity with a waiting list well this would be a loss of revenue over a paying student. However that is not the case and as it is the campus life is mostly unaffected by this tuition waiver process. Without sports these students wouldn't be at GB. So the faculty and staff provide extra services for athletes that are baked into the cost of running the school anyway.
This is actually one of the reasons GB probably hasn't dropped down to D3 like some on twitter suggest they should. At the D3 level it is almost entirely university funded. They actually want 20+ teams with bloated rosters of athletes who do pay the full tuition. The univeristy collects more money because athletes are on campus that wouldn't normally be there. This gives many small schools enough to fund athletics and still have excess revenue for the university.
If GB ever dropped down to D3 a few things are likely to happen. NCAA tournament money is gone. Learfield marketing money is gone. That $1.5 million flowing into the Phoenix Fund is decimated. The ESPN money for ESPN+ content is gone. Bitching about buy game revenue is gone. What does GB pay Stout per year, $2500?? The 1800+ people for men's and women's hoops games paying $10+ each per game is gone. I can't imagine seg fees would stay as high as they do.
If you take out tuition waivers athletics spends well over $7,000,000 and less than half of it comes from university support and seg fees. GB would have a hell of a time running a D3 program that didn't fully depend on the university. I highly doubt a rapidly growing university in the third largest metro area in the state wants to add more programs that can't function on their own.
So my long story made short. The finances tell me they want to stay D1 because it actually makes sense to. The finances tell me that cutting tennis and reallocating the operating expenes while disappointing for the tennis players and alumni helps grow the D1 brand. It is a case of taking the money you have and strengthen what you have. They unfortunately don't need extra sports to be D1 so the decision that was apparently made was to have quality over quantity.
The times they are changing but from the information that is available to me online and being around sports my whole life I am confident not worried. That is why I think a big time hire is coming by next week.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Jun 2, 2020 16:41:49 GMT -6
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on Jun 2, 2020 18:17:00 GMT -6
Jimmie has to win out of these C listers right? Right? 🤔
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Post by cuchillo on Jun 2, 2020 18:33:32 GMT -6
Jimmie has to win out of these C listers right? Right? 🤔 C listers? But a poster a few posts ago has assured us a "big time hire" is on the Horizon...
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jun 2, 2020 22:03:31 GMT -6
I am not going to lie, this list doesn't back up my optimism.
Gregg Gotlieb and Andre Cook will require further research on my part before I completely rule them out.
The last 2 to 4 names better be big ones!
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Post by cuchillo on Jun 3, 2020 6:32:26 GMT -6
I am not going to lie, this list doesn't back up my optimism. Gregg Gotlieb and Andre Cook will require further research on my part before I completely rule them out. The last 2 to 4 names better be big ones! Andre Cook might have the best resume of that bunch but that would basically be hiring a guy similar to what they just got rid of.
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Post by gonix on Jun 3, 2020 8:04:04 GMT -6
Andre Cook has a conf record of 79-85 10 seasons. at least Linc won Nat Championship. Ernie was fired at a mid major with more resources than UWGB Gregg is special assistant to the head coach, doesn’t recruit, was he demoted from his assistant position? Jimmie, Zero head coaching experience at any level, wasn’t the main recruiting assistant at GB or Bradley. Only mentions he helped recruit, no direct acknowledgment in bio. Brad, his team regressed every year, with how this is shaping up, you don’t think his contact will be more one sided than Linc’s one clause that was disliked. Ben Johnson, I vote for him, he will bleed green! We need a loyal person who knows the landscape and up hill battle that GB faces every year!, especially now! He has experience post season play as a player and coach. He will relate well to people being from the area. Plus he has found some hidden gems that GB will need. His personality and values will excel at GB.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Jun 3, 2020 8:12:22 GMT -6
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Post by cuchillo on Jun 3, 2020 8:26:00 GMT -6
Andre Cook has a conf record of 79-85 10 seasons. at least Linc won Nat Championship. Ernie was fired at a mid major with more resources than UWGB Gregg is special assistant to the head coach, doesn’t recruit, was he demoted from his assistant position? Jimmie, Zero head coaching experience at any level, wasn’t the main recruiting assistant at GB or Bradley. Only mentions he helped recruit, no direct acknowledgment in bio. Brad, his team regressed every year, with how this is shaping up, you don’t think his contact will be more one sided than Linc’s one clause that was disliked. Ben Johnson, I vote for him, he will bleed green! We need a loyal person who knows the landscape and up hill battle that GB faces every year!, especially now! He has experience post season play as a player and coach. He will relate well to people being from the area. Plus he has found some hidden gems that GB will need. His personality and values will excel at GB. Portland is 37-92 in his four years there.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jun 3, 2020 8:32:16 GMT -6
Jimmie did directly recruit players to GB and Bradley. Jarvis Williams for example was his first recruit to GB. I know the big guy going to Bradley this year from Milwaukee is a Jimmie guy as well. Actual experience in the #1 chair is a legit question to pose.
Gottlieb is a wild card. He doesn't appear to have name recognition in the midwest. He is okay from a communication perspective. The special assistant thing is interesting. Did he want a year off the recruiting world? Was he not getting the job done? I will say that most of special assistants I see around D1 are usually really good X&O guys.
Cook carries himself in a way that I like in the interviews I have watched. His style is a mix of a slower version of what we have seen in the last 5 years with some other set plays. I appreciate the idea that he had to build his program up so his record isn't great. However, for my money I want guys who have deep tournament runs at the lower level. Spending a bunch of money to remove a guy who won a D2 title to hire a guy that hasn't made it out of the first weekend of the D2 tournament is an interesting optic.
Ben Johnson is one hell of a good person. I appreciate his contribution to GB. I am not sure he carries any weight in GB anymore though. I will admit though that liking Foster but not liking Johnson probably would be a recency bias on my part.
Ernie Zeigler can't be a real candidate. He is a good recruiter but if you can't do anything with that talent you shouldn't be GB's head coach.
Soderberg wouldn't suck, I mean he knows what he is doing. It is fair to say that nothing on his resume suggests GB will improve though. This hire has to be about getting better and not just staying the course with a style that some people will like better.
Also, this isn't the order I rank them, just the flow that it came out of my head. My actual rankings are different.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Jun 3, 2020 8:36:23 GMT -6
I think Joe Krabbenhoft is an interesting candidate (if he is actually a candidate / interviewing). He’s only 33 and probably has the energy that will be required to get the fan base back interested in GB basketball. Plus, it’s sad to say but casual fans in the area might pay more attention to the program if it’s led by a former Badger that is a household name. He knows the state basketball landscape and seems to be a highly regarded assistant - ESPN just named him one of the top 40 coaches under the age of 40 [ Link]. He has had some mid-major experience as an assistant at South Dakota State but lacks head coaching experience which is a drawback. But I think he’s a guy that would move the needle more than any of the other names that have been leaked so far.
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