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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jun 3, 2020 8:46:30 GMT -6
I know I gave Gary a hard time on here. I know that looks really stupid to some, especially now.
I talked to people around the team, people who work for the university, donors, a lot of my fellow alumni and even some of my neighbors and co-workers who don't care about GB but do like basketball about Gary. Mix in what I have read here and in the newspaper and I have easily had 100 different discussions about this.
All of the reasons were the same. He's an alum, he would get the community, he is the kidd stopper or he is a Bennett.
Not one person told me Gary would be able to recruit high level players, develop those players and win big games consistently.
I want someone in this job we can look at and all say that guy is going to get the job done in all phases and is going to be a big winner.
In the 1800's Henry Ford's customers wanted faster horses. This isn't about giving the people what they want, this is about giving them what they need. What we need is a bigtime winner.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Jun 3, 2020 9:04:51 GMT -6
I would love Ben or Jimmie at GB...... Ben could bring in a few players from Australia/NZ where he spent a big chunk of his post-UWGB life. However, the money we will be still paying Linc, as well as the overall athletic and BB budget, will Ben have the ability to do this? I'm sure he can recruit in WI, and his recent history shows that he's been on the west coast and maybe pull a player or two from there. But who in their right mind (recruit-wise) would trade the beauty and climate of WA/OR/CA for the harsh winters of Green Bay? With Jimmie, he has a track record of solid recruiting, but he will be a first time head coach. Has he taken mental notes and will take what worked (and din't work) under BW, but maybe incorporate other ideas based on the roster he will inherit? BW's teams at GB were good at defense and rebounding. As far as offense......it was scattershot unless Keifer Sykes and Alec Brown were healthy and on their game. Those teams were not great at shooting the 3, and your best 3 point shooter was also your tallest guy. With Sodeberg, there will be that one season of Bennett-esque reminiscence (memories of Soderberg playing under Dick, coaching under Dick, and being an assistant under Tony). His teams usually start well but year over year, there seems to be regression; Why is this? Also, if Sodeberg ends up sicking to the hard core pack-line defense and deliberate half-court offense, there will be a LOT of roster turnover. That equates to a BIG bottoming out record-wise. Will a fan base that has already been in a general malaise under Linc be patient enough to see this through.....and ends up only being a 4th place finish (on average)? I know nothing about Gottlieb.....He's spent his playing and coaching career on the west coast. Why make the move to GB now in an area he's not familiar with? Is he running from something? I remember Zeigler from his days at CMU. He got good talent but could not get them to the NCAA's. Andre Cook....Know even less about him. Didn't we just shove another former D2 coach out the door? This does not scream 'big time hire'. At least Linc won D2 championships. I didn't see Joe Krabbenhoft on this list....He would also be very intriguing.
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Post by cuchillo on Jun 3, 2020 9:09:57 GMT -6
I know I gave Gary a hard time on here. I know that looks really stupid to some, especially now. I talked to people around the team, people who work for the university, donors, a lot of my fellow alumni and even some of my neighbors and co-workers who don't care about GB but do like basketball about Gary. Mix in what I have read here and in the newspaper and I have easily had 100 different discussions about this. All of the reasons were the same. He's an alum, he would get the community, he is the kidd stopper or he is a Bennett. Not one person told me Gary would be able to recruit high level players, develop those players and win big games consistently. I want someone in this job we can look at and all say that guy is going to get the job done in all phases and is going to be a big winner. In the 1800's Henry Ford's customers wanted faster horses. This isn't about giving the people what they want, this is about giving them what they need. What we need is a bigtime winner. I get what you are saying. But a wise man once said "you get what you pay for." If the money isn't there for the staff...good luck. You can't make a big-time hire on a small-time budget. Does anyone know if Krabbenhoft has even applied? If he had I would think his name would have been leaked since that would have been somewhat of an attention-getter. My guess is that the names you see are the best of the rest unless someone gets in late.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jun 3, 2020 11:13:02 GMT -6
I guess big time is a relative term. I think each of the last 3 hires was big time at the time they were made.
All 3 guys delivered good results in their tenures.
All 3 guys had carried themselves in a way that indicated to me they would be competitors in the league.
All 3 guys had a resume that made you say yeah that makes sense when they got the job.
If they hire a Dernbach type people are going to say wtf. If they hire a Krabbenhoft type people would likely say that hire makes sense.
I'm expecting someone that makes sense and is a winner. I think that is possible.
I also think the names released are the bottom tier of candidates. Almost to make you appreciate the remaining candidates more when their names come out.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jun 3, 2020 11:22:03 GMT -6
Also, this is my call to action for all Gary supporters who have stayed away over the last 5 years.
He had his opportunity and apparently turned it down. I am sure there are things on both sides that weren't a perfect fit.
With that said it's time to reengage in the program if that has been a factor in staying away. The legitimate attempt has been made to resolve your concern.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Jun 5, 2020 9:03:07 GMT -6
Four “primary candidates” according to Jeff Goodman:
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Post by phearthephoenix on Jun 5, 2020 9:21:18 GMT -6
No Krabbenhoft so it seems like he probably didn't even apply / interview. Venci just put out an article on Will Ryan and I think he'd be my favorite right now of the four available options followed by Jimmie Foster. www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/2020/06/05/ryan-son-hall-famer-bo-ryan-finalist-uwgb-job/3145083001/It doesn't scream "upgrade" on the surface going from a fairly successful coach in Darner to a Division II coach that went .500 but he has lots of experience as a mid-major Division I assistant and obviously is familiar with basketball in the state of Wisconsin. Sounds like it was actually pretty impressive that Ryan went .500 last season given he was hired in July and had to throw a roster together quickly, which could be the case here as well. I don't know much about Balanis. No thanks to Soderberg.
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Post by gonix on Jun 5, 2020 9:32:25 GMT -6
Will would be a great choice and gain a lot of respect from the boosters and alumi due to his petagree. I think people in the community would really like him and he is a home grown Wisconsin guy. He would be loyal and bleed green!
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Post by cuchillo on Jun 5, 2020 9:37:46 GMT -6
Now we know why Phillips didn't apply, and why Krabbenhoft likely didn't either. This looks to be a no-brainer now. Ryan is the only guy on that list who will give the program some buzz in the community.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Jun 5, 2020 9:45:20 GMT -6
How would the Bennetts feel about this?
How would returning players and recruits feel about the Swing offense if that's what Ryan would bring to town?
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Jun 5, 2020 9:54:21 GMT -6
Will would be a great choice and gain a lot of respect from the boosters and alumi due to his petagree. I think people in the community would really like him and he is a home grown Wisconsin guy. He would be loyal and bleed green! How would he be a “great choice in the eyes of boosters and alumni?” Ryan went to Platteville and his dad coached at WI. There’s no “green” in that blood. Admittedly, I don’t know a whole lot about the guy, but he doesn’t have a connection to Green Bay. Should we see if Vince Lombardis son wants to switch sports? After all, he’s a “Green Bay guy!”
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Post by gbbrl97 on Jun 5, 2020 9:54:59 GMT -6
I didn't even think of Will Ryan as a candidate......He would bring some buzz to the program and the community.
Jimmie would be a strong candidate. Hope he didn't learn any bad habits from BW during his time at GB and BU.
Rod Balanis is interesting. He is a long time assistant and has an ACC background. Why make the move to a mid-major program that isn't awash in booster cash and paying off the last head coach? Hope he is prepared to do more with less.
Although the fans/alums of the 90's would love the Soderberg, I get a Mike Heideman vibe from him. I think our recruiting would drop off a cliff, and we would see massive roster turnover which equates to this program bottoming out for a couple years only to rise to that middle of the pack finish CG just pushed Linc out the door for. We may get a sugar high from a Soderberg hire but we will also get the crash as well, like many of the teams Soderberg coached as a HC.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Jun 5, 2020 9:59:55 GMT -6
I’m not crazy about the remaining candidates, but if I had to narrow it down, I’d rather have Foster or Balanis. At least Balanis could be an intriguing hire of he can pull in recruits from out east. I don’t care what anyone says, fans will turn out for teams that win, no matter where they come from. Getting a coach who will “recruit local” just for the sake of it is and always will be absurd to me.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Jun 5, 2020 10:08:12 GMT -6
I have a gut feeling it will be Ryan. You get a wealth of recruiting contacts. The cachet of the Ryan name. (forget dad's awkward exit in Madison) Also the situation in Green Bay dictates someone who is young enough to work his a#! off to build the program.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jun 5, 2020 10:15:22 GMT -6
Will Ryan. Just pull the trigger.
Wheeling was a mess financially. He took over in June and had 5 players committed on the roster. He re-recuited or recruited another 16 guys to build a roster on the fly. He had a very young team and they were very competitive.
He has Bennett connections, I can almost guarantee that. He is the only guy on the list that is young, has recruited the state previously and has a pedigree that will appeal to the two traditional basketball families in the state.
Think of it this way. Which guy would have a chance of moving up in the future? Which guy would have a chance to be the next Badgers coach for example?
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