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Post by can opener man on Mar 15, 2015 16:11:41 GMT -6
I'm not setting a dollar limit to be a worthy fan. I'm saying u can't say you spend so much on the team. When ur spending it at a bar. Lol
U can spend nothing and be s huge fan
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Mar 15, 2015 16:14:17 GMT -6
Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 15, 2015 16:14:17 GMT -6
Auto correct changes Bo to no and u can't comprehend the whole post ?? Not that I cannot comprehend, its just harder to take you seriously when you fail to type with proper grammar.
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Post by can opener man on Mar 15, 2015 16:19:26 GMT -6
It's hard to take u serious when u cry to get rid of a coach who built a team that contended for a conference title each of the last two years He recruited and help develop two of the best three players in school history. Lets not give him a chance to bring in more talented players. Let's can him right Then the other guy complains about how much he spends on the team and he's counting going out to eat at local restaurants and bars. You two can't be serious. Listen to ur selves
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 15, 2015 16:19:46 GMT -6
I despise the Badgers. Don't get me wrong they have a great program, I just can't stand that it has taken 10+ years for them to finally get competitive on the national scene. Not just win the Big 10 and make the dance but actually have a chance to win the whole thing. If fans are impatient with Wardle after 5 years, at the Badgers level not competing for national titles sooner is just as big of sin in my mind. I tolerate Marquette basketball. I go to a game or two a year if I am offered free tickets but I don't seek out Marquette hoops. I find some of their fans to be a little to high and mighty for my liking. GB basketball is my sporting passion. I donate to the Phoenix fund at over the MVP level, I have season tickets to men's hoops and I have traveled all over the country to see them play. Seeing them play other teams from other parts of the country is part of why I support Wardle so much. I see what he is doing, I know what he has to work and he is doing really well by comparison. He has a vision and he is sticking to it. Last year VCU couldn't buy a bucket in the big dance and lost to SFA. I am pretty sure VCU fans don't want to dump HAVOC. Instead you keep recruiting to and fine tuning that vision. I see what Brian is trying to do and he seems to be sticking to his plan. I don't mean to make this political because that is truly a giant can of worms to open, but saying you like Wardle because of his vision is like saying you support Walker for decimating the state. Sure, he has a "vision" but anyone with a brain can see that it is selfish lip-service. Wardle can talk about his program he has built all he wants but at the end of the day if the wins aren't there, nothing matters. Having no dog in the fight in the NCAA tourney is getting absolutely unbearable. I will leave the politics out because this isn't the forum for that. If it goes down that road I will have to tap out for awhile as I just want to talk hoops. Brian's vision is to have a team that plays hard, plays defense and rebounds. Are you suggesting that a team with those core values can't win? As GB wins more they will increase their talent pool. Pittman as an example picked GB over Nevada Reno. I have been on Nevada's campus, I know they play in the MWC, I see their recent history (Johnson and Fox, not Carter) and I can tell you that is a big win for GB. Pittman may or may not pan out but the point is stick to what you believe in, win games and recruit even more talented players to play that style. It is how GB is going to get over the hump and not be up and down every 3 to 5 years. Keeping coaches who win with their vision is how you become the next Butler, Gonzaga, VCU or Wichita State. Once the consistent wins come so to does the money to keep growing. It is a process. A process that hiring a D3 coach likely won't do. This isn't about just getting a taste of the dance, this is about becoming a bigger deal in the hierarchy of college hoops. I personally think Brian can get that job done. I would rather go down in flames with a vision than taste false success with getting to the big dance every once in awhile and then getting waxed. I have waited 19 years, I can wait a few more if that is what it takes to be consistent moving forward.
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Mar 15, 2015 16:25:21 GMT -6
Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 15, 2015 16:25:21 GMT -6
I don't mean to make this political because that is truly a giant can of worms to open, but saying you like Wardle because of his vision is like saying you support Walker for decimating the state. Sure, he has a "vision" but anyone with a brain can see that it is selfish lip-service. Wardle can talk about his program he has built all he wants but at the end of the day if the wins aren't there, nothing matters. Having no dog in the fight in the NCAA tourney is getting absolutely unbearable. I will leave the politics out because this isn't the forum for that. If it goes down that road I will have to tap out for awhile as I just want to talk hoops. Brian's vision is to have a team that plays hard, plays defense and rebounds. Are you suggesting that a team with those core values can't win? As GB wins more they will increase their talent pool. Pittman as an example picked GB over Nevada Reno. I have been on Nevada's campus, I know they play in the MWC, I see their recent history (Johnson and Fox, not Carter) and I can tell you that is a big win for GB. Pittman may or may not pan out but the point is stick to what you believe in, win games and recruit even more talented players to play that style. It is how GB is going to get over the hump and not be up and down every 3 to 5 years. Keeping coaches who win with their vision is how you become the next Butler, Gonzaga, VCU or Wichita State. Once the consistent wins come so to does the money to keep growing. It is a process. A process that hiring a D3 coach likely won't do. This isn't about just getting a taste of the dance, this is about becoming a bigger deal in the hierarchy of college hoops. I personally think Brian can get that job done. I would rather go down in flames with a vision than taste false success with getting to the big dance every once in awhile and then getting waxed. I have waited 19 years, I can wait a few more if that is what it takes to be consistent moving forward. I think waiting 19 years is the very definition of patience. My question is are you saying that all the pieces weren't there the last two years to make the dance? We had solid veteran leadership, great athletes and a pretty respectable skill set. The combination of those three should have been more than enough to get us a conference championship especially in our conference. What was missing was a fiery coach with a killer instinct that was capable of winning the big game. Wardle has had his chance(s) and proved that he simply can't do it, even with arguably the best team in program history. You can talk about development and recruiting all you want but the fact of the matter is that all of that goes out the window when your season is dependent upon putting the ball in the hoop. At what point does the NIT become not a success for you? At what point do twenty win seasons without a tourney appearance stop meaning something to you? If your answer is 19 more years, then I have nothing to say because you'd be a lost cause.
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 15, 2015 17:01:00 GMT -6
I will leave the politics out because this isn't the forum for that. If it goes down that road I will have to tap out for awhile as I just want to talk hoops. Brian's vision is to have a team that plays hard, plays defense and rebounds. Are you suggesting that a team with those core values can't win? As GB wins more they will increase their talent pool. Pittman as an example picked GB over Nevada Reno. I have been on Nevada's campus, I know they play in the MWC, I see their recent history (Johnson and Fox, not Carter) and I can tell you that is a big win for GB. Pittman may or may not pan out but the point is stick to what you believe in, win games and recruit even more talented players to play that style. It is how GB is going to get over the hump and not be up and down every 3 to 5 years. Keeping coaches who win with their vision is how you become the next Butler, Gonzaga, VCU or Wichita State. Once the consistent wins come so to does the money to keep growing. It is a process. A process that hiring a D3 coach likely won't do. This isn't about just getting a taste of the dance, this is about becoming a bigger deal in the hierarchy of college hoops. I personally think Brian can get that job done. I would rather go down in flames with a vision than taste false success with getting to the big dance every once in awhile and then getting waxed. I have waited 19 years, I can wait a few more if that is what it takes to be consistent moving forward. I think waiting 19 years is the very definition of patience. My question is are you saying that all the pieces weren't there the last two years to make the dance? We had solid veteran leadership, great athletes and a pretty respectable skill set. The combination of those three should have been more than enough to get us a conference championship especially in our conference. What was missing was a fiery coach with a killer instinct that was capable of winning the big game. Wardle has had his chance(s) and proved that he simply can't do it, even with arguably the best team in program history. You can talk about development and recruiting all you want but the fact of the matter is that all of that goes out the window when your season is dependent upon putting the ball in the hoop. At what point does the NIT become not a success for you? At what point do twenty win seasons without a tourney appearance stop meaning something to you? If your answer is 19 more years, then I have nothing to say because you'd be a lost cause. What happened the previous 14 years before Wardle took over had no bearing on him. The previous failures only put an exclamation point on the great success Wardle has had the last 2 years.
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Mar 15, 2015 17:03:27 GMT -6
Post by shooting the J on Mar 15, 2015 17:03:27 GMT -6
UCLA just earned an 11 seed in the big dance with a 2-8 record against the field. By comparison, Green Bay was 2-5 versus the field.
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Mar 15, 2015 17:07:52 GMT -6
Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 15, 2015 17:07:52 GMT -6
I think waiting 19 years is the very definition of patience. My question is are you saying that all the pieces weren't there the last two years to make the dance? We had solid veteran leadership, great athletes and a pretty respectable skill set. The combination of those three should have been more than enough to get us a conference championship especially in our conference. What was missing was a fiery coach with a killer instinct that was capable of winning the big game. Wardle has had his chance(s) and proved that he simply can't do it, even with arguably the best team in program history. You can talk about development and recruiting all you want but the fact of the matter is that all of that goes out the window when your season is dependent upon putting the ball in the hoop. At what point does the NIT become not a success for you? At what point do twenty win seasons without a tourney appearance stop meaning something to you? If your answer is 19 more years, then I have nothing to say because you'd be a lost cause. What happened the previous 14 years before Wardle took over had no bearing on him. The previous failures only put an exclamation point on the great success Wardle has had the last 2 years. Praise him all you want but the lack of tourney appearances speak for themselves. Honestly, do you actually see them making it back any time soon? Its going to be funny when people are calling for his head in a couple of years when they realize his "vision" hasn't panned out and has literally amounted to nothing.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 15, 2015 17:09:12 GMT -6
I think a healthy Sykes and Brown at 75% should have been enough last year to do the job but when it was big money time we didn't get a healthy Sykes and a 75% Brown. Lost opportunity but that wasn't from Wardle not being fiery. If anything he is too fiery and too competitive.
I also agree with J in this case. I have waited 19 years but only 5 for Wardle so yes I can be patient without being a lost cause. He got us close. If at the end of year 7 or 8 of Wardle we are in the same spot than yes I would be okay moving on. At that point he would have had 3 or 4 complete recruiting cycles to get the job done. Right now all signs point to he knows what it takes to build a winner.
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 15, 2015 17:12:20 GMT -6
Or maybe they get lucky and win the conference tourney next year as a 3 or 4 seed. Maybe they play a top team who's star point guard and star center get injured in a tournament game. I don't bank on luck, but it happens.
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Mar 15, 2015 17:12:28 GMT -6
Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 15, 2015 17:12:28 GMT -6
I think a healthy Sykes and Brown at 75% should have been enough last year to do the job but when it was big money time we didn't get a healthy Sykes and a 75% Brown. Lost opportunity but that wasn't from Wardle not being fiery. If anything he is too fiery and too competitive. I also agree with J in this case. I have waited 19 years but only 5 for Wardle so yes I can be patient without being a lost cause. He got us close. If at the end of year 7 or 8 of Wardle we are in the same spot than yes I would be okay moving on. At that point he would have had 3 or 4 complete recruiting cycles to get the job done. Right now all signs point to he knows what it takes to build a winner. Do you see the team actually being better and competing with the rising likes of Oakland and Valpo? Certainly not anytime in the foreseeable future. You can talk about having a strong base as a program but increased funds and a recruiting pipeline don't dribble the basketball.
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 15, 2015 17:14:38 GMT -6
This is the NIT thread, so let's save it to discuss the NIT. Nevermind, I'll just lock it and start a new one.
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Post by can opener man on Mar 15, 2015 17:41:09 GMT -6
I hope they make the nit
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Post by gbbrl97 on Apr 6, 2015 8:25:05 GMT -6
I other post-season tourney news.....
Loyola (IL) wins the CBI Evansville wins the CIT Stanford barely wins versus Miami (FL) in the NIT final
These are teams that GB has beaten recently. This tells me that although BW elevated the program a little more versus the TK era, the collapses in conference tourney or post-season tourney games under BW was concerning. We should have had more from this recruiting class.
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