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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 7, 2022 11:00:42 GMT -6
I am not going to predict any wins for GB until they play IUPUI again. However, that doesn't mean they can't win games against any other team. KC for example was way down to start the year. Had a good streak for like 3 games and is now kind of down again. The game is at home and KC isn't playing that well. I would anticipate a game that could go GB's way but to your question I wouldn't expect GB to be losing by 20 points at any time during the game. Kansas City beat Indiana State and Toledo, which are two decent wins. KC has also played four guarantee games already. They immediately lost to an improved SIUE team at home and followed that up at home by giving Idaho St their only D1 win. They have been beaten easily by all of those high majors. KC can't score either. Like I wrote I am not picking GB to win games just stating this game is still winnable even for GB. Indiana State took them lightly and coughed up their only loss. When GB has games that are actually winnable they have to grasp them and this one is still winnable.
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Post by barnzoboy on Dec 7, 2022 11:25:54 GMT -6
That Torvik site is interesting. Very sad to me that he's projecting us to be 16 point underdogs at St. Thomas next Tuesday. There's a Summit League team not long in D1, playing fundamentally sharp ball, shooting 40% from the arc with a roster heavily weighted with suburban Minneapolis guys. Hard not to feel a bit envious there.
I'm not sure I buy in on comments stating that Coach Ryan is a good judge of talent and has recruited highly talented guys. Or that he has skill in "developing" players. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see a ton of evidence in either of those cases. And that just might be what you get when you are at the level we are at currently. Japannah Kellogg - recruited by Ryan, right? Last season for us he starts 21 of 27 games. He transfers to Albany, who is 331 on the KenPom, and he now rides the pines. Devin Zeigler was not a regular starter at Indian Hills CC. He did shoot 40% from the arc there, but not here.
To your point GBPhoenix1, I would hope we are running offensive and defensive schemes that are suited to our the strengths of our guys. But I've said it before, I don't know what are strengths really are.
So glad to see that Donovan Short got 27 minutes last night - that should be the norm. Also, when we're down by 20+, let's go ahead and put the subs in at the 4 or 5 minute mark and not when there's 90 seconds left.
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Post by gbtruther on Dec 7, 2022 11:39:27 GMT -6
I do not believe Kellogg was recruited by Will. His first year was Will's first year so if i remember right he was already committed before Will got the job in May.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 7, 2022 12:22:36 GMT -6
Kellogg was here under Coach Darner. He was a redshirt in his first year and played his freshman year of eligibility in Will Ryan's first year.
McGee, Meyer, Dailey, Rose, D Short, Hall, Klesmit and Wrecke are all top 10 in the WI high school player rankings. All of these classes have more than 10 kids that are going to the D1 level. My conclusion is that we are getting solid prospects and it is TBD to know how well the guys who are still here will develop as none of them have spent enough time here yet. We have two guys with less than 18 months in the program. Two guys with less than 6 months in the program. We have three guys that don't arrive for another 7 months.
The issue for the roster is that in portal and JUCO recruiting there has been a disconnect in finding guys that can consistently make shots and play defense. With more info available for these types of recruits I was hoping for more success.
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Post by fansincebuss on Dec 7, 2022 12:33:56 GMT -6
Kansas City beat Indiana State and Toledo, which are two decent wins. KC has also played four guarantee games already. They immediately lost to an improved SIUE team at home and followed that up at home by giving Idaho St their only D1 win. They have been beaten easily by all of those high majors. KC can't score either. Like I wrote I am not picking GB to win games just stating this game is still winnable even for GB. Indiana State took them lightly and coughed up their only loss. When GB has games that are actually winnable they have to grasp them and this one is still winnable. SIUE is coached by former GB assistant coach Barone, a Wardle assistant. He has done a nice job there; I wonder if GB would be considered a step up from SIUE. Former GB player Terrance Thompson plays for them but is just a spot contributor.
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Post by fansincebuss on Dec 7, 2022 12:43:24 GMT -6
Kellogg was here under Coach Darner. He was a redshirt in his first year and played his freshman year of eligibility in Will Ryan's first year. McGee, Meyer, Dailey, Rose, D Short, Hall, Klesmit and Wrecke are all top 10 in the WI high school player rankings. All of these classes have more than 10 kids that are going to the D1 level. My conclusion is that we are getting solid prospects and it is TBD to know how well the guys who are still here will develop as none of them have spent enough time here yet. We have two guys with less than 18 months in the program. Two guys with less than 6 months in the program. We have three guys that don't arrive for another 7 months. The issue for the roster is that in portal and JUCO recruiting there has been a disconnect in finding guys that can consistently make shots and play defense. With more info available for these types of recruits I was hoping for more success.[/quote Rohde and Wells are Wisconsin high school players starting for their teams, we will see both of them this year. I also expected more from our JUCO players this year especially Cummings and Ziegler. They have shown flashes but have been inconsistent.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 7, 2022 12:43:34 GMT -6
I'm not sure I buy in on comments stating that Coach Ryan is a good judge of talent and has recruited highly talented guys. Or that he has skill in "developing" players. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see a ton of evidence in either of those cases. I do not know how anyone could even believe that this is the case. Prime example is Brayden Dailey that was RAVED about on here and by "coach" Ryan, yet, he never sees the court. To this point, the only solid HS recruit he's brought in and kept is Cade, who even has his struggles.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Dec 7, 2022 13:24:12 GMT -6
I did not rave about Brayden Dailey think he is great right now. The only people who really know that are himself, the other players, managers, and coaches. What I have said about him is I was hoping he would replace Ryan Claflin like the 3 and d he was maybe someday he can. I have been to one game and in person Brayden Dailey is looks taller then 6’7 then high school recruiting profile would show. He needs to add strength still. Its interesting about ryan clafflin he grew into a guy that guy that could knock down 3’s he didn’t start that way. Brayden Dailey can knock down three his problem is defense its opposite maybe if you can’t play defense you won’t play for coach ryan even though Dailey was recruited by coach Ryan?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 7, 2022 13:28:38 GMT -6
They immediately lost to an improved SIUE team at home and followed that up at home by giving Idaho St their only D1 win. They have been beaten easily by all of those high majors. KC can't score either. Like I wrote I am not picking GB to win games just stating this game is still winnable even for GB. Indiana State took them lightly and coughed up their only loss. When GB has games that are actually winnable they have to grasp them and this one is still winnable. SIUE is coached by former GB assistant coach Barone, a Wardle assistant. He has done a nice job there; I wonder if GB would be considered a step up from SIUE. Former GB player Terrance Thompson plays for them but is just a spot contributor. Barone was 29-61 overall and 17-38 in the OVC during the past three years at SIUE. For the two years before he was the head coach he was the assistant coach there. He certainly has turned the corner this year. Nobody on here seems willing to wait 4 to 6 years for a coach to build a program up. The only thing we know is that Barone is further along in his process than Will Ryan is in his. Would anyone be willing to give Barone 4 to 6 years to rebuild GB?
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Dec 7, 2022 13:37:39 GMT -6
Jimmy foster was in the final four of candidates with no head coaching experience. Barone would be a decent choice. Former uwgb assistant and head coaching experience. That seems to make sense?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 7, 2022 13:39:46 GMT -6
I'm not sure I buy in on comments stating that Coach Ryan is a good judge of talent and has recruited highly talented guys. Or that he has skill in "developing" players. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see a ton of evidence in either of those cases. I do not know how anyone could even believe that this is the case. Prime example is Brayden Dailey that was RAVED about on here and by "coach" Ryan, yet, he never sees the court. To this point, the only solid HS recruit he's brought in and kept is Cade, who even has his struggles. The first high school recruiting class was McGee, Meyer and Dailey. Two good players for sure and if Brayden gets healthy perhaps two good players that they retain. The second high school recruiting class was Short, Rose and Jedkins. Short is getting better and making an impact already. Rose played a little. Jedkins is apparently red shirting this year. Out of the five guys they have retained they have two that make an impact, two that have some potential but it is undetermined and a wild card in Jedkins. Dailey can shoot. He also plays the same spot as Brock and Cade. Everyone clamors for more Short as well. The 4 & 5 position is a total of 80 minutes and has 3 guys sharing it that we actually know are capable D1 players. That is a long way of saying Dailey might actually be solid but he apparently isn't as solid as some of the better guys on the team. That doesn't mean he is a bad recruit. Also, he appears to be injured so who knows when he will be back.
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Post by fansincebuss on Dec 7, 2022 13:43:14 GMT -6
SIUE is coached by former GB assistant coach Barone, a Wardle assistant. He has done a nice job there; I wonder if GB would be considered a step up from SIUE. Former GB player Terrance Thompson plays for them but is just a spot contributor. Barone was 29-61 overall and 17-38 in the OVC during the past three years at SIUE. For the two years before he was the head coach he was the assistant coach there. He certainly has turned the corner this year. Nobody on here seems willing to wait 4 to 6 years for a coach to build a program up. The only thing we know is that Barone is further along in his process than Will Ryan is in his. Would anyone be willing to give Barone 4 to 6 years to rebuild GB? I am willing to give Ryan another year, the incoming class looks good. I thought they did not give Darner enough credit. Good points about Barone record before this year.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 7, 2022 13:50:54 GMT -6
Cade has had some struggles. From what I can see they have changed up the offense and he has responded. He has had his two best scoring games since they moved him into better positions to score down low. That is a big reason why I commented earlier in this thread about the inability to find a shooter. People say put guys in spots to be successful. They make changes to do that (which went unnoticed by some) and then the team goes and lays a bunch of bricks. They need someone to make a shot consistently and I can't understand how they didn't get a knock down guy in the portal or from a junior college.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Dec 7, 2022 14:14:48 GMT -6
Rand Tucker is a different three point shooter then he was last season. He’s mad like half of them which is a improvement from making like none of them. Getting the big time scorers in the transfer portal might have to stem from the coach you have. Klesmit, and wrecke hopefully will be big time shooting point guard shooting guard combo. Hall at the 3,4,5 positions scoring lots of buckets inside out with Brock and meyer.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 7, 2022 14:35:21 GMT -6
Rand Tucker is a different three point shooter then he was last season. He’s mad like half of them which is a improvement from making like none of them. Getting the big time scorers in the transfer portal might have to stem from the coach you have. Klesmit, and wrecke hopefully will be big time shooting point guard shooting guard combo. Hall at the 3,4,5 positions scoring lots of buckets inside out with Brock and meyer. Randy Tucker has come a far way from last year which is great to see. The team needs at least two more guys on the court alongside him that can also hit 33% or more from deep. I am not asking for a big time scorer, just someone to make an open shot every third time they take one. I didn't think that was an unrealistic ask. Having 3 guards/wings that can shoot at a reasonable D1 level combined with the two big guys working together should be enough to compete for some wins. Sadly there is no reason not to double the post and let GB clang away.
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