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Post by gbtruther on Dec 6, 2022 19:49:43 GMT -6
As some one else said, it is a good thing we can't watch this shit show. This is not loyola with Cameron Krutwig. This loyola team is not good at all. What an absolute disaster this is. Too bad this game had to be scheduled one day after yesterdays so we could enjoy this win for a few days.
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Post by bucksin4 on Dec 6, 2022 19:50:16 GMT -6
It’s gotta be close to be time to move Nate Jenkins back to his role last year. Have him come off the bench, he succeeded in that spot last year. Who starts over him? There isn’t any better player that could start over him that would make a difference at this point. At least he doesn’t turn the ball over
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Post by gbtruther on Dec 6, 2022 19:50:16 GMT -6
Also, it appear the espn+ stream may be up and working.
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Post by uscg2012 on Dec 6, 2022 19:56:03 GMT -6
It’s gotta be close to be time to move Nate Jenkins back to his role last year. Have him come off the bench, he succeeded in that spot last year. Who starts over him? There isn’t any better player that could start over him that would make a difference at this point. At least he doesn’t turn the ball over Jack Rose when he’s back…what do you have to lose now. It’s a lost season and if Will Ryan sticks around he is going to need players for next year. Nate works hard but he’s just not cutting it.
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Post by kmell822 on Dec 6, 2022 20:02:17 GMT -6
Been 8 minutes since we have scored a field goal…. I guess the 19 point spread is accurate. But in a half?? OMG
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Post by kmell822 on Dec 6, 2022 20:13:47 GMT -6
Been 8 minutes since we have scored a field goal…. I guess the 19 point spread is accurate. But in a half?? OMG 50% from free throw line, 23 from the floor. Ouch
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Post by kmell822 on Dec 6, 2022 21:00:15 GMT -6
I guess the 19 point spread is accurate. But in a half?? OMG 50% from free throw line, 23 from the floor. Ouch after further review.... guard play is terrible, shooting from guards terrible, d is terrible - other team moves the ball freely around the court for open shots. GB doesnt do that very well. I think the two bigs are ok and can play. I am not clear that the athletic difference between the teams was that great - I am wondering about coaching the players. Being tough but it seems like either the coaching is suspect or the talent is suspect - or worse both. Given the fact that there are players who played for bigger programs I am questioning the coaching.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 6, 2022 21:04:47 GMT -6
50% from free throw line, 23 from the floor. Ouch after further review.... guard play is terrible, shooting from guards terrible, d is terrible - other team moves the ball freely around the court for open shots. GB doesnt do that very well. I think the two bigs are ok and can play. I am not clear that the athletic difference between the teams was that great - I am wondering about coaching the players. Being tough but it seems like either the coaching is suspect or the talent is suspect - or worse both. Given the fact that there are players who played for bigger programs I am questioning the coaching. Yeah, I think the split is about 65/35 in terms of coaching being at fault compared to the players. The kids are young, we know that, but there are a ton of mental mistakes that even coaching might not be able to iron out. Coaches also can't force the ball in the hoop, but they are responsible for scheming these guys open. I'm not crazy at all about our "talent" at this point, but I realize they can grow, so I will extend patience to the guys, to an extent. An actual coach maybe nets us a couple more wins this season, to this point. Financials aside, I am not sure how you can be Josh Moon and look at what is going on and be like, "welp, looks good to me!"
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Post by bucksin4 on Dec 6, 2022 21:35:50 GMT -6
This goes to show that the IUPUI win was a fluke..how does a team that’s consistently been bad at shooting from deep end up going 4-25 from behind the arc. Why not just play the inside game with Meyer/Short. The guard play has been horrible especially from some of the the JUCO guards (Davis and DZ mostly) to me that they’re looking to stat pad and get their own from the shots they take which works in junior college but not in D1 basketball.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 6, 2022 22:21:26 GMT -6
Well that wasn't pleasant. They got beat in pretty much every phase of the game.
It was a tall task on a short turn around. Unfortunately that just made it worse, base on what we saw it was still likely a 15 point loss if they are rested and at full strength.
The next two games they should be more competitive based on the rosters of each team.
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Post by cuchillo on Dec 7, 2022 6:57:16 GMT -6
Well that wasn't pleasant. They got beat in pretty much every phase of the game. It was a tall task on a short turn around. Unfortunately that just made it worse, base on what we saw it was still likely a 15 point loss if they are rested and at full strength. The next two games they should be more competitive based on the rosters of each team. By more competitive you mean a loss in the teens as opposed to a 26-point thrashing?
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Post by phearthephoenix on Dec 7, 2022 8:30:45 GMT -6
Well that wasn't pleasant. They got beat in pretty much every phase of the game. It was a tall task on a short turn around. Unfortunately that just made it worse, base on what we saw it was still likely a 15 point loss if they are rested and at full strength. The next two games they should be more competitive based on the rosters of each team. By more competitive you mean a loss in the teens as opposed to a 26-point thrashing? According to Torvik's site [ link] GB won't be favored to win a game the rest of the season, but the game on Saturday is one of their best chances to pick up another W. Looks like he has UMKC as a 4-ish point favorite with a 32% chance GB can pull the upset. It's also worth noting that, according to his "game score" metric, GB's performance against Loyola last night was their worst of the season.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 7, 2022 8:50:24 GMT -6
Well that wasn't pleasant. They got beat in pretty much every phase of the game. It was a tall task on a short turn around. Unfortunately that just made it worse, base on what we saw it was still likely a 15 point loss if they are rested and at full strength. The next two games they should be more competitive based on the rosters of each team. By more competitive you mean a loss in the teens as opposed to a 26-point thrashing? I am not going to predict any wins for GB until they play IUPUI again. However, that doesn't mean they can't win games against any other team. KC for example was way down to start the year. Had a good streak for like 3 games and is now kind of down again. The game is at home and KC isn't playing that well. I would anticipate a game that could go GB's way but to your question I wouldn't expect GB to be losing by 20 points at any time during the game.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 7, 2022 9:20:38 GMT -6
Much has been made of Will Ryan's recruiting ability and I do like the young guys that he has brought in to develop for the future. However, it is so frustrating to me how this team can have very little in the way of reliable three point shooting two years in a row even though they seem to generate open shots in most games. When I look at the stats of the players that had previous college experience most of them had not made 3's at a high level before. For as much as people say he can recruit he hasn't brought in a proven shooter since he arrived.
Against Loyola they went 4/25 from deep. That included Cade making one (not his strength) and Nate banking one in. Zae made a bunch of 3's to start the year. It will be interesting to see which way he goes because his career JUCO percentage is in the low 30's. To his credit Randy Tucker has persevered and is game over game the most reliable guy they seem to have making about 33%. Let that sink in.
I know they want to be a team that plays defense. It is darn near impossible to defend your way to a win when the team can only score 46 points in a game. They have the guys they have so no new help is coming. They haven't stopped very many teams on defense this year and they haven't scored in many games because they don't have many reliable shooters on the floor. The guys they do play either need to step up or they need to re-envision the kind of team they are and play other guys who might be able to shoot better than they can defend.
I might be overreacting to a loss but this wasn't any loss. This was the worst they have looked in a game. Yes they were short handed and not fresh but 4 for 25 from deep, something has to give.
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Post by cuchillo on Dec 7, 2022 10:39:19 GMT -6
By more competitive you mean a loss in the teens as opposed to a 26-point thrashing? I am not going to predict any wins for GB until they play IUPUI again. However, that doesn't mean they can't win games against any other team. KC for example was way down to start the year. Had a good streak for like 3 games and is now kind of down again. The game is at home and KC isn't playing that well. I would anticipate a game that could go GB's way but to your question I wouldn't expect GB to be losing by 20 points at any time during the game. Kansas City beat Indiana State and Toledo, which are two decent wins. KC has also played four guarantee games already.
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