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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 30, 2013 13:12:23 GMT -6
By the way, who controls the KARMA on this site? Let me guess..... Karma is controlled by everyone on the site. You can give it or take it away. You can do it once per person I believe. If he was cited it was published in the paper under court documents. It sounds like Greg's disorderly was protecting his room mates and that's why the smoking charge against him was dropped? Greg's was in the paper under court records. Court records are open to the public and News Media. This may answer who else was in Mays room and got busted? The Police report I think said 3 people in the room. The numbers on transfers are high, but many Coaches in their first 4 years have similar numbers and high percentages. I wish Cole the best and hope he has success. I did think he showed something last year, but doing it game in and out is different than flashes. I also know that if he's hooked on smoking the down side is huge. I worked with many of these people and most were dead or disabled before they hit bottom. It was sad and took it's toll on everyone including me. It was very hard watching and knowing the probable out come.
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Post by wiscosports on May 30, 2013 14:39:27 GMT -6
Shooting the J is a little ridiculous in how he sees no problem with all the kids leaving. You've now had several players who were hand picked by Wardle transferring in (Terry Johnson, Cole Stefan as well as recruits) who it didn't work out for. I could see if when he first got here everyone transfered but it just seems like it never ends.
This leads to the kids not getting chemistry playing with eachother and how do they expect to stretch the floor. All the players listed are best around the rim, or driving.
I understand UWGB's campus is extremely boring for any player especially if they came from a big school and this could be frustrating but there has to be more to it that players keep leaving.
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Post by shooting the J on May 30, 2013 14:52:56 GMT -6
Shooting the J is a little ridiculous in how he sees no problem with all the kids leaving. You've now had several players who were hand picked by Wardle transferring in (Terry Johnson, Cole Stefan as well as recruits) who it didn't work out for. I could see if when he first got here everyone transfered but it just seems like it never ends. This leads to the kids not getting chemistry playing with eachother and how do they expect to stretch the floor. All the players listed are best around the rim, or driving. I understand UWGB's campus is extremely boring for any player especially if they came from a big school and this could be frustrating but there has to be more to it that players keep leaving. Wright State had 6 players transfer out following a 13-19 season 2 years ago. They followed that with a 23-13 season, and the coach won HL coach of the year. 5 of the 6 they lost were from the bottom of the roster. It's the top players that decide games, not the end of the bench. Roster movement allows for finding players that are the proper fit. Coach Wardle will be judged on his record next season, not by how many players from the bottom of the roster transfer. Milwaukee had a lot of continuity going into last season. How'd that work out for them?
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Post by shooting the J on May 30, 2013 15:02:24 GMT -6
This leads to the kids not getting chemistry playing with each other and how do they expect to stretch the floor. All the players listed are best around the rim, or driving. Just wanted to point out that even with the loss of all 3 of the supposed pure shooters from last year Green Bay still returns its top 2 3-point shooters. Neither came to GB billed as 3-point shooters. Shooters can be developed, and have been throughout Phoenix history. Cerroni and Stefan made just 35 and 33% of their 3s last year. Things won't fall apart without them. Their replacements will contribute in many other areas of the game that those 2 were non-factors in.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 30, 2013 15:37:05 GMT -6
Shooting the J is a little ridiculous in how he sees no problem with all the kids leaving. You've now had several players who were hand picked by Coach Wardle transferring in (Terry Johnson, Cole Stefan as well as recruits) who it didn't work out for. I could see if when he first got here everyone transfer ed but it just seems like it never ends. This leads to the kids not getting chemistry playing with each other and how do they expect to stretch the floor. All the players listed are best around the rim, or driving. I understand UWGB's campus is extremely boring for any player especially if they came from a big school and this could be frustrating but there has to be more to it that players keep leaving. No Shooting the J is realistic. Many recruits don't work out. Some are unhappy about lack of playing time. Statistics show transfers have been increasing over the last few years through out D1. Some mistakes are made in recruiting, some by impatient recruits not willing to wait their turn, and some just don't fit into the program. I'm just thankful we have keep all our core players. Realistically #8, 9, and 10 players don't contribute and end up going D2 or NAIA for playing time. I don't blame them I would want to play to. So the easy answer is transfer. It's got to be hard going from a star in H.S. to a bench warmer or reshirted in College.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 30, 2013 16:10:33 GMT -6
Per Demosky of the Press Gazette -- Alec Brown & Keifer Sykes have issued a strong statement of support for Wardle and the rest of the coaching staff. These guys were and are the student leads.
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Post by phearthephoenix on May 30, 2013 17:09:41 GMT -6
Here's the joint statement from Keifer Sykes and Alec Brown: We are really happy that the investigation is over, and we are excited about playing together next season for Coach Wardle and our other coaches. This has not been an easy couple of months for our team and coaches to go through and we are ready to move forward. The character and communication in our locker room is really good right now, and we are focused on getting better this offseason and contending for a championship next year.
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Post by can opener man on May 30, 2013 20:44:55 GMT -6
why do we say findlay and love for the 2 Guard, I wouldn't forget about Josh Humphries, he should get an opprtunity to start if he beats them out. With brown and sykes getting alot of the shots for the first team, it would be nice having a guy like findlay coming off the bench.
Sykes was an improved three point shooter, and alec brown was hitting the outside shot real good towards the end of the season, then if botz can come off the bench and put in some threes, we can get the three point shot at other positions other than the 2 guard. findlay as well would be some nice three point help.
==== i like when big v talks..
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 22:04:51 GMT -6
Stop the semantics about kids, men, boys,guys.....These are all young "men" in big adult/men bodies that have been babied all their lives and for the most part make the same stupid mistakes we all have made as we grow up......and let's really be honest, I still haven't grown up and I am 50! YES, I STILL MAKE MISTAKES! Should they be more accountable and more adult acting? Yes. But all they want to do is be successful and when it isn't working for you, what do you do? Stay in the same place and take it? It wasn't working for these guys, they decided to make a change.
There is obviously something going on to have all these guys make the decision to leave.
Remember Cerroni was THE BEST 3 point shooter in the league!!!!!!!! Now, some one said he is just a below average shooter? I watched Cole shoot at practices and at preseason events and he could match Kam shot for shot. Sultan was right on their tails. All 3 have their defficiencies that's why they are at a mid major. If the 3 shooting guards that left this year felt they where in a position for success why would they leave? With the 2 guys that are the studs on this team and with Jordan Fouse doing what he did as a freshman, this team has only huge upside atleast for 2014! But when you lose the players they have lost with the potential that this team has, where does the blame lye?
These guys made choices and decisions. Let them move on with out the negative bashing. Just like the the 2 guys who have made the decision to make a statement about this season and moving forward for next season.....this is great and that's what this team needs. IT IS WORKING FOR THEM SO THEY ARE STAYING AND MAKING A STATEMENT. These 2 Guys need to step up because the program and coaching staff is in turmoil.
Let's hope they figure it out, that's what this is all about. If they win and all is great, then the coaching staff will have been vindicated. But as it stands now, there are a lot of holes to fill and a lot to prove and chemistry to build.
Again, just my opinions and I am glad I have a forum to express them.
I am signing off again for I feel I bring too much negativity and bad "karma" to this site.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 31, 2013 7:36:56 GMT -6
I am curious if there was a follow up question to Cole about what was wrong with "that environment?" Is he referring to Wardle, is he referring to being close to home, or something else? The interview seems to stop at the sound bite. I am also curious to find out how he intends to stay D1? I can't imagine there are a lot of scholarships out there for a guy who can only play 1 season, 1 year from now. Is he going to walk on somewhere, hope for a waiver or other?
I am not sure what to make of calling Kam the best 3 point shooter in the league. Certainly he had a solid second year shooting. This past year he was lost a little bit. The 3 guys GB lost are certainly pure shooters, unguarded the shot should go down. The problem in an actual game is there are few ungaurded shots. Guys like Jason Calliste, Jordan Aaron, Forbes or Turk could actually get shots off and make them. In some sense that has to make them a better 3 point shooter than the guys GB lost.
Don't get me wrong, I think losing all of your shooters is a bad sign. I do believe other players will contribute in other ways but this can't help the offensive spacing and I would think it will make it even harder for Alec to get a clean post catch or for Kiefer to drive to the hoop.
I am not sure what to make of Humphrey. I like his size and hustle, just not sure I liked his skill set. He was easily the least impactful offensive player on the team his freshman year. I will be curious to see how the rehab impacts him and what skill improvement he was able to do. Free throw shooting should be a given since most players can only do that for part of the time their knee is recovering.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 31, 2013 9:16:57 GMT -6
Ironically, Sykes and Brown are the two best three point shooters on the team right now. At least the most proven outside shooters.
A couple of other thoughts:
Reading the online headlines in the PG you would think there is no support for Wardle and the coaching staff. The problem with that is most causal readers and basketball fans walk away with that impressions. Katz in his ESPN column gave the statement of support by Sykes and Brown strong play. It's ironic that the local paper didn't at least give it a headline. The Sykes/Brown statement was pretty powerful.
Also my bet is Tom Crean played a major role in connecting Wardle with Katz. The ESPN reporter gets an exclusive and does a follow up -- both getting wide national exposure. Crean is an even better marketing and PR guy than he is a coach. He did Coach Wardle and UWGB a major favor with his expertise.
Finally -- Anyone know where I can hand in my bobblehead from last season?
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Post by truth on Jun 1, 2013 18:09:11 GMT -6
People are talking about chemistry and losing too many players.
Let's be honest. I didn'tthink they had any chemistry the first half of last season, and I always thought that was because they were playing too many guys and trying to give everybody minutes.
It wasn't until a few guys got hurt or suspended and they were almost shorthanded that they started to really click as a team.
Maybe with Wardle,if he has fewer options on the bench, he'll let the same seven guys or eight at the most stay on the floor and develop together. It might not be bad if he's forced to let guys play, good or bad. That way they'll be better in the end.
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Post by Nix on Jun 1, 2013 19:45:50 GMT -6
People are talking about chemistry and losing too many players. Let's be honest. I didn'tthink they had any chemistry the first half of last season, and I always thought that was because they were playing too many guys and trying to give everybody minutes. It wasn't until a few guys got hurt or suspended and they were almost shorthanded that they started to really click as a team. Maybe with Wardle,if he has fewer options on the bench, he'll let the same seven guys or eight at the most stay on the floor and develop together. It might not be bad if he's forced to let guys play, good or bad. That way they'll be better in the end. I definitely agree with this. It certainly seems that the chemistry has been better under BW when their bench was limited.
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Post by barnzoboy on Jun 3, 2013 8:43:56 GMT -6
While of course I support the team and program, I find it a little unsettling when everytime a kid leaves there seems to be this sort of opinion and commentary on this board to the effect that: good riddance, he was a bad fit, he had a bad attitude, he does not belong on a Division 1 squad, etc. etc.
These players did not force their way in to the program - they were recruited, no? I view every kid leaving as a failure in recruiting. If a kid is a bad fit for the style of play, or has bad chemistry with the other guys already on the squad, then whose fault is that?? Shame on the staff for not being able to identify these things on the front end and to vet these things out to prevent them from happening.
We know that Cougill bounced around a bit prior to coming to UWGB, and if you Google Cole Stefan, you won't have to look hard to find some text questioning his background character/commitment even going back to Minnetonka High School days.
Kind of reminds me of the Oakland Raiders or other pro teams that sign players (see Randy Moss) that have some skeletons in their past, with the hope that THIS time they will turn the corner. I hope that's not what is going on here - it is not worth the gamble.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Jun 3, 2013 9:34:54 GMT -6
Recruiting is a gamble on both sides of the equation. It aint a science. The coaching staff hit home runs with Alec Brown, Sykes and Fouse -- three players that any past GB coach would have loved to have.
There have also been some good contributors under this coaching staff and the jury is out on those prospects.
Anyone have any ideas on what will be done with the last two scholarships? A three point specialist would be a nice addition. Are Garrett and Harris still possibilities?
Bottom line team chemistry has to be a priority.
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