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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 24, 2013 11:32:53 GMT -6
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Post by shooting the J on May 24, 2013 11:41:08 GMT -6
Investigation finds that a basketball coach uses foul language. Shocking, and I say this in the most sarcastic tone possible.
Simply, the coach wasn't abusive to anyone, but I think anyone with a brain already knew that.
Congrats to Coach Wardle on surviving a witch hunt.
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Post by phearthephoenix on May 24, 2013 12:08:15 GMT -6
Fantastic news. What a relief. Hopefully everyone can put this behind us and focus on what should be an exciting 2013-2014 season
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Post by phearthephoenix on May 24, 2013 12:19:15 GMT -6
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 24, 2013 13:25:28 GMT -6
I think the ruling was fair and now it's time to go forward.
The release of the report and the Bross Family going outside the process to the media means they have had a chance to have their say more completely then Coach Wardle. Chancellor Harden did and outstanding job with the approach he took and should be commended. Wardle has had a learning opportunity without having a career ending finding. Going forward the coach needs to make sure he doesn't have a chip on his should toward the Press Gazette or anyone else. Making it really a growing experience and a way to build better team family.
It's time to wish Ryan Bross the best with his basketball career and his pursuit of a medical degree. It will be tougher then anything he has faced to his point in his life. We should congratulate Brennan Cougill on graduating and sticking it out through three different schools while he fought depression and other learning challenges. It's an achievement we should respect. I think he was a shot at playing ball over seasons. We should wish him all that he earns.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on May 24, 2013 14:01:12 GMT -6
Thank you for posting the report. I have read it and reached my own conclusions. Very similar to the Lawyer's conclusion. I agree it's time to move on and concentrate on BB. As far as the PG I think Mr. Gavin is the go to reporter and this has hurt Rob's feelings(he has made remarks to this on twitter). I think Rob had an in with Coach K and is not happy with the current arrangement. He needs to work this out or accept it as the way it is. Maybe BW knows Mr. Gavin and feels more comfortable talking with him?
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 24, 2013 14:25:23 GMT -6
There's no percentage in Wardle freezing out any reporter. It would be stupid and counter-productive.
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Post by phearthephoenix on May 24, 2013 15:33:42 GMT -6
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Post by gbbrl97 on May 25, 2013 6:33:47 GMT -6
Thank god this puppet show is over......A few comments:
1. Hope BW has learned a thing or two on how to conduct himself going forward. He doesn't need to make wholesale changes on who he is as a coach.....However, I would think he would pay more attention not only to a player's character and resiliency, but how the parents act as well.....This may change who BW recruits and what kids he may take a flyer on going forward...... 2. If Ryan Bross has designs on being a doctor, good luck to him. If he can't take hard coaching from BW right now, will he be able to take criticism from a distraught family as an MD on a medial course of action taken if said family may disagree? Hopefully age, med school, and residency will make him realize that. 3. Hope Cougs can get his depression under control; I lived through it......However, if he plays overseas and doesn't like what the coach is doing, will his mom complain to said coach too???
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Post by shooting the J on May 25, 2013 6:38:33 GMT -6
After reading the 39 page report, the most important statements given in the case were given by Daniel Turner, a young man with is much integrity as anyone I've ever meet, and Nick Arenz, who has already transfered and has no vested interest in the program. Their statements cleared the coach of abuse allegations. Bross and Cougill lied and exagerated.
Interesting to see Kam Cerroni complain about coach Wardle using the move the locker trick. Phoenix fans know that's an old Dick Bennett trick. Instead of whining, Cerroni should have quit being so damn stubbern and got the message. The player Bennett did that to called Dick years later because he wanted his son to play for Dick's son.
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Post by greenflyingmachine on May 25, 2013 7:06:12 GMT -6
There's no percentage in Wardle freezing out any reporter. It would be stupid and counter-productive. It would be beyond stupid if Wardle ever shared inside information with Demovsky again. Demovsky worked tirelessly to get Coach Wardle fired. He was incredibly biased throughout the investigation, and continues to attack the coach even after the investigation has been rendered. There's rumors that Demovsky didn't just report the news, that he helped create it. There is rumors that players families have complained he harassed them to try to get statements to slander the coach Demovsky assigned himself judge and jury in this case, and is obsessed with the result. It is highly unlikely Demovsky will be covering Green Bay basketball for the PG next season. His coverage has been a joke and he has completely embarrassed himself.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 26, 2013 15:11:42 GMT -6
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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 26, 2013 20:49:21 GMT -6
In the wake of the independent report PG Sports Editor Mike Vandermause took Wardle to task. *an easy holiday weekend piece) He says the coach needed to apologize and questions a lack of practice video available for the investigation. This was my response in the PG comment section.
I agree with you that Coach Wardle needs to acknowledge some level of wrong doing in this situation. His comments to the player in question do not reflect well on the school. They sound like what another player might say to a teammate. Wardle has to be the adult and role model. We will know going forward if he has grown.
I do disagree with the reporter in terms of the videos. As a former news director and someone who has worked in high ed I can tell you a few things about production challenges, audio and saving of video.
The semi automated system to pick up practice video would probably be a locked down wide shot camera with a condenser microphone. The audio would be muddy at best. I doubt if Wardle had a wireless mic on during practice unless they were producing a feature story. With the acoustics in a gym the audio off a condenser mic 40 feet away could give you headaches.
As a news director we did not save any video that was not used on air. When I moved into the academic world and managed media for a rather large college the video files I inherited were a disaster and talking with those at other institutions the same pretty much held true. We did much better during my time. That said we kept video only if it had a historic purpose for the school or if it was a unique lecture. (Normally with a nationally known speaker) Anything else got thrown away to make sure we were not drowning in unless files. Managing video files even in the digital era takes a lot of hours.
It's time to let things settle down. We will see soon what has been learned by the various parties. Grudges by Wardle, the 3 players or the Press Gazette would be a waste and disservice to the community.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 27, 2013 8:21:42 GMT -6
I was out of town camping this weekend so I missed a lot of the news.
Like everyone I am happy that UWGB, the players involved, the coaching staff and every supporter of the program can close this book and move on. I am sure Cougill's mom won't move on based on her comments about the existing players not having a safe system to tell their real feelings...
After reading the report it didn't put Coach Wardle in a favorable light. It cast him as a foul mouth with a temper but also a dog with more bark than bite.
In the report other players indicated he showed favortism to Coug's because he was a valueable player but a player the team thought was not motivated.
In the report the Bross hill running story made Bross look like a lot tougher kid than I gave him credit for and made it look like Wardle would have let him quit running. Not a bad thing, just different than how the picture was painted in the paper.
In the report many of the existing players seemed to indicated that they were receiving coaching that was more harsh at lower levels of basketball.
I thought it was interesting that Coach Wardle's behavior after the Idaho game was brought up. If anyone watched that game it was easily the least inspired effort of the season by the team, just a dud from start to finish. It doesn't excuse certain language but certainly a game where I wouldn't expect any praise to be handed out.
I know Rob D. has received a lot of negative feedback on his coverage of this story. I have two more items to pile on to this. Mr. Nicks had two other individuals that were key people in two of Bross's allegations. In the hill running Mr. Nicks talked about the role of the athletic trainer and how the trainer or Wardle should have stopped the running. In regard to the class schedule Mr. Nicks brought up Bross's interaction with the academic advisor and Wardle.
At no point did Rob D. ever mention these two people in the complaint. Now did he not know they existed in the story? If so what did he run the info for without all of the details? Did he not think they were important to the story because they were doing what Wardle wanted? He wouldn't have known that and I thought he was reporting allegations which is news but not creating the news. It seems like the reporting is incomplete. Did he not want to risk their reputation? He certainly didn't seem concerned about Coach Wardle's. Did it get in the way of the perceived witch hunt which was selling the paper and getting the online clicks?
Also, after reading the entire report I do find the issue with the class schedule to be incomplete. I thought that was the complaint that was least in line with the mission of the university. The complaint that could have Chancellor Harden most upset. Yet with little supporting info either way the report just throws it aside as more of a "he said she said" issue.
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Post by fightphoe93 on May 27, 2013 8:23:27 GMT -6
It seems like many coaches nowadays coach like they think they're on the Vince Lombardi track of treating players all "like dogs" as was quoted by one Packer player.
What they fail to remember about great coaches like Lombardi was that Lombardi knew when to back off. He'd tear a guy down, but just when that player was going to hit rock bottom, he knew how to get them back up.
Bringing discipline and toughness to your team is a good thing, but I think Wardle needs to learn the fine line of going too far to the point where you break a guy. That's counterproductive in the long run.
I didn't like what I heard about Wardle, but he didn't do anything that made him deserve to be fired. Hopefully he can learn something from all this.
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