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Post by knightlife920 on Nov 22, 2015 23:24:00 GMT -6
I don't understand why people were so quick to back Wardle after poor game management, questionable recruiting and ridiculous antics, but they bash Darner immediately after three losses to good teams on the road. Give it some time, if Darner becomes the next Wardle then by all means I will be calling him out, but for Christ sake we are 4 games in. Sorry Wardle and his haircut aren't around anymore but he clearly couldn't put us over the hump. Give Linc at the very least a whole year, egregious mismanagement or misconduct before you all cast judgment. That's funny considering the impatience is coming directly from you. I was upset with how the last two games went but by no means am I calling for Linc's head. Shore up the defense and rebound better and we are fine. Please address my previous post, I am very curious
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 23, 2015 6:53:39 GMT -6
Here is where I am at with this season, Linc and the future. I don't care how much they win or lose this year. I believe progress has little to do with speed and a lot to with direction. If they play fast and eventually win big I am good with that. If they play slow and win big I am good with that too. I just want GB basketball to win big. My issue with the current direction of this season is that these guys are getting killed on the glass and offering up little resistance in the half court on defense. On the broadcast yesterday I heard Cordero quote Mark Jackson, "hands down, man down" after a UMD 3 pointer. I see Lowe and Kanter combine for 2 rebounds in 33 minutes. I read quote after quote from Linc about a lack of effort on defense, guy hanging their heads after missed shots and just not being able to rebound. It makes me wonder what is going on and what will it take to get this pointed in the right direction? I know he is limited but I keep calling for Hendo to play because he is so big the ball will come right to him just like it did on his one rebound in the 2 minutes he played. Plus he is a big body to eat space in the paint when GB has had trouble protecting the rim. Now as it turned out in the second half Botz started to rebound and Love and Findlay started to turn up the defensive pressure and it all worked out.
For now I can live with guards trying to leak out so they don't go after some loose balls that GB would have got in the past. I am just not sure I can live with lack of effort or execution in other areas. I mentioned this could snow ball in a hurry in another thread. For guys at this age winning and losing is contagious. Love mentioned his feelings after two loses in the press conference. If GB is losing because of a lack of effort I don't see that changing with practice time. So I want to see that effort get elevated so that losing mindset doesn't enter the locker room and hurt Linc's ability to coach his style and recruit his players over time.
As for the game itself I also had a laugh at the broadcast about Bill Scott saying maybe Botz is just a hustle guy and not a shooter at this level, which is funny since Scott pumped up his shooting in every interview on media day.
Tevin was great in all aspects of his game, he should be starting tomorrow night. FTF...FTF..FTF!
Hurdle has some athletic ability but just seems out of sync. Perhaps he is the definition of guy who needs the practice time to figure out how to implement his game.
Lowe disappeared and that was frustrating as he should have been able to destroy those guys.
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 23, 2015 7:32:53 GMT -6
Lowe disappeared and that was frustrating as he should have been able to destroy those guys. Lowe didn't rebound because he was always of of position because he had to help so much defensively. He contested almost every shot UMD took, and had 3 blocks. We will get out rebounded until the half defense gets fixed. He played well, but lacked opportunities because of poor play by teammates.
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Post by exithere on Nov 23, 2015 8:14:14 GMT -6
This thread is toxic...
Admins lashing out at posters and posters lashing out at admins is not a way to get more people to post around here...
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 23, 2015 8:58:14 GMT -6
Lowe disappeared and that was frustrating as he should have been able to destroy those guys. Lowe didn't rebound because he was always of of position because he had to help so much defensively. He contested almost every shot UMD took, and had 3 blocks. We will get out rebounded until the half defense gets fixed. He played well, but lacked opportunities because of poor play by teammates. I will agree that he was by far one of the most active defenders on the team in this game, way more noticeable than in past seasons. However, when I say he disappeared GB missed 36 shots in this game and 13 free throws (some of which were available for rebounds) and he didn't have a single offensive rebound and that doesn't have anything to do with his teammates defense. I don't expect him to get every rebound but in a game like this he didn't get one offensive rebound and that seems almost impossible to do with his athletic ability. I did notice he had a knee wrap on later in the game so maybe he wasn't 100%. He was so good at ETSU I think I am now holding him to a higher standard than what he showed in this game. For GB to start winning games he has to be one of the best players on both ends at all times in my opinion.
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 23, 2015 10:19:30 GMT -6
Lowe didn't rebound because he was always of of position because he had to help so much defensively. He contested almost every shot UMD took, and had 3 blocks. We will get out rebounded until the half defense gets fixed. He played well, but lacked opportunities because of poor play by teammates. I will agree that he was by far one of the most active defenders on the team in this game, way more noticeable than in past seasons. However, when I say he disappeared GB missed 36 shots in this game and 13 free throws (some of which were available for rebounds) and he didn't have a single offensive rebound and that doesn't have anything to do with his teammates defense. I don't expect him to get every rebound but in a game like this he didn't get one offensive rebound and that seems almost impossible to do with his athletic ability. I did notice he had a knee wrap on later in the game so maybe he wasn't 100%. He was so good at ETSU I think I am now holding him to a higher standard than what he showed in this game. For GB to start winning games he has to be one of the best players on both ends at all times in my opinion. Yeah I'll agree with that. He needs to have the mindset to dominate.
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Post by Fanforever on Nov 23, 2015 10:48:54 GMT -6
I attended the game on Sunday and was excited and disappointed at the same time. The style he wants to put in will be fun to watch but would agree with Linc in that some of the kids were not giving maximum effort. I see potential in some of the freshman as they can handle the ball and shoot it and will only get better. When all of our guards are more than capable shooters this will make the offense more efficient.
To me some of the negativity is coming from the fact we thought we were close to becoming a HL powerhouse. To be that the cupboard has to be stocked and Wardle left it almost empty. When wardle left he either took (recruits) or we lost (Francis) players that are difference makers. Also, he could not recruit post players with consistency and the after effects are showing through this year. Sykes covered up a lot of the height issues we have had. So we will need to stay positive and support Linc and the team as much as we can.
if you remember Linc had to put together a staff in short notice and recruit players to come in. The players he has brought in may not be the best but they are decent players that can fill a role. My hope is over the next year or two they will become better with the coaching staffs help.
As for Hendo, I watched him exclusively when he got in the game and feel if he were not tall he would be playing rec ball. It seems as though he does not know what is going on around him.
if Tevin F. can play like he did yesterday, we will be a better team this year. I thought is energy and passion were incredible. Also, his shot looked good as evidenced by his shooting percentage.
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Post by fansincebuss on Nov 23, 2015 14:22:11 GMT -6
Way too soon for all the negativity, I expected a bit of a downturn this season regardless of who the coach was. Lost too much over the past two years. Give the new staff a chance to implement their system and get their players. If they are still struggling after a couple of years, I will join in the chorus of discontent.
Just look to Bradley and Marquette to see that success does not come instantly with change.
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Post by kmell822 on Nov 23, 2015 18:52:48 GMT -6
Way too soon for all the negativity, I expected a bit of a downturn this season regardless of who the coach was. Lost too much over the past two years. Give the new staff a chance to implement their system and get their players. If they are still struggling after a couple of years, I will join in the chorus of discontent. Just look to Bradley and Marquette to see that success does not come instantly with change. exactly to expect more after the player losses the last two years and the new coach is hoping against hope. This year is to build the system, recruit peeps who can fit in and build. I remember my last year at UWGB (86) Dick Bennett did not win many games. I saw them win the last game and they improved in the years to follow. If a coach of Bennett's caliber cannot win in his first year how do you expect Linc to win.
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 23, 2015 19:17:49 GMT -6
Way too soon for all the negativity, I expected a bit of a downturn this season regardless of who the coach was. Lost too much over the past two years. Give the new staff a chance to implement their system and get their players. If they are still struggling after a couple of years, I will join in the chorus of discontent. Just look to Bradley and Marquette to see that success does not come instantly with change. exactly to expect more after the player losses the last two years and the new coach is hoping against hope. This year is to build the system, recruit peeps who can fit in and build. I remember my last year at UWGB (86) Dick Bennett did not win many games. I saw them win the last game and they improved in the years to follow. If a coach of Bennett's caliber cannot win in his first year how do you expect Linc to win. There's far more talent here than when Bennett took over. Bennett took over a 4-24 team. Linc took over a team with multiple returning starters from back to back NIT teams. The situations simply don't compare. Dick improved the teams win total in his first year. I'm not saying I expect a huge year, but if the team gets kicked around all year that doesn't project a well coached team anytime soon. I don't expect that though, they'll be OK.
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Post by kmell822 on Nov 23, 2015 19:37:04 GMT -6
exactly to expect more after the player losses the last two years and the new coach is hoping against hope. This year is to build the system, recruit peeps who can fit in and build. I remember my last year at UWGB (86) Dick Bennett did not win many games. I saw them win the last game and they improved in the years to follow. If a coach of Bennett's caliber cannot win in his first year how do you expect Linc to win. There's far more talent here than when Bennett took over. Bennett took over a 4-24 team. Linc took over a team with multiple returning starters from back to back NIT teams. The situations simply don't compare. Dick improved the teams win total in his first year. I'm not saying I expect a huge year, but if the team gets kicked around all year that doesn't project a well coached team anytime soon. I don't expect that though, they'll be OK. dude your comment about taking over a 4 and 24 team and improving them.... he went 5 and 23...... cmon man(don't let facts get in the way of a good story). 15-14 the next year. Not sure the returning starters warrant your enthusiasm. Fouse yes not sure after that. I hope they win some games this year but early returns suggest shooting and FT challenges. This to me is a transition year. 1985–86 Green Bay 5–23 3–11 T–7th 1986–87 Green Bay 15–14 8–6 4th 1987–88 Green Bay 18–9 9–5 3rd 1988–89 Green Bay 14–14 6–6 4th 1989–90 Green Bay 24–8 9–3 2nd NIT Second Round 1990–91 Green Bay 24–7 13–3 2nd NCAA First Round 1991–92 Green Bay 25–5 14–2 1st NIT First Round 1992–93 Green Bay 13–14 9–7 T–4th 1993–94 Green Bay 27–7 15–3 1st NCAA Second Round
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 23, 2015 20:11:27 GMT -6
There's far more talent here than when Bennett took over. Bennett took over a 4-24 team. Linc took over a team with multiple returning starters from back to back NIT teams. The situations simply don't compare. Dick improved the teams win total in his first year. I'm not saying I expect a huge year, but if the team gets kicked around all year that doesn't project a well coached team anytime soon. I don't expect that though, they'll be OK. dude your comment about taking over a 4 and 24 team and improving them.... he went 5 and 23...... cmon man(don't let facts get in the way of a good story). 15-14 the next year. Not sure the returning starters warrant your enthusiasm. Fouse yes not sure after that. I hope they win some games this year but early returns suggest shooting and FT challenges. This to me is a transition year. 1985–86 Green Bay 5–23 3–11 T–7th 1986–87 Green Bay 15–14 8–6 4th 1987–88 Green Bay 18–9 9–5 3rd 1988–89 Green Bay 14–14 6–6 4th 1989–90 Green Bay 24–8 9–3 2nd NIT Second Round 1990–91 Green Bay 24–7 13–3 2nd NCAA First Round 1991–92 Green Bay 25–5 14–2 1st NIT First Round 1992–93 Green Bay 13–14 9–7 T–4th 1993–94 Green Bay 27–7 15–3 1st NCAA Second Round Please tell me what I said that wasn't factual? Last I checked, 5 is more than 4. Carrington Love, now that he's a featured player, is having a great year. Don't discount him. This team is filled with juniors, next man up. Thats what strong programs do. This isn't a young team. Tevin Findlay is doing what 3rd year players are expected to do. Yes this year's team doesn't shoot well. Neither did last year's. They won with defense. They didn't lose great defenders. This team should be able to go .500 just by playing defense.
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Post by knightlife920 on Nov 23, 2015 20:54:51 GMT -6
I'm really confused as to who is on what side. The fact of the matter is that this team has a challenging year ahead of them and the wins may or may not be there. Can we please just wait and see before we jump off the cliff. One thing is for sure, I like how Linc handles himself on the sidelines better than Wardle so at least he has one thing going for him.
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Post by wolverinegbfan on Nov 24, 2015 13:27:12 GMT -6
What is so great about Shaka Smart's system and is so different ? They full court press all game and trap based on the EXACT same theory, possessions is the name of the game. Whoever has the most possessions and can tire the opponent down should win the possession battle and if the team can shoot half way decent, should win. Him being a Rhodes Scholar has absolutely ZERO with anything, and for that matter, Darner was a business major at Purdue and it is their 2nd toughest major, but, it is completely irrelevant. Smart is having the exact same issues as Darner, Bennett, and all new coaches. They are implementing a new system mainly with guys who have played in a completely different system than the one they are in now and for the main part, weren't recruited to play in so it will not be a smooth ride at all. Do you think a Rhodes Scholar would not implement his own system and just use the prior system of the prior coach ? No. Go to a basketball clinic for Shaka Smart and tell me how different his system is from Darner's or Pitino's. Not much at all, just nuances on where to trap and what to fall back into. Other than that, they all believe in the EXACT same premise, win the possession game, play your style (instead of theirs), and neutralize the opponents system. Based on your logic, Pitino must have went to MIT.
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Post by kmell822 on Nov 24, 2015 21:23:13 GMT -6
dude your comment about taking over a 4 and 24 team and improving them.... he went 5 and 23...... cmon man(don't let facts get in the way of a good story). 15-14 the next year. Not sure the returning starters warrant your enthusiasm. Fouse yes not sure after that. I hope they win some games this year but early returns suggest shooting and FT challenges. This to me is a transition year. 1985–86 Green Bay 5–23 3–11 T–7th 1986–87 Green Bay 15–14 8–6 4th 1987–88 Green Bay 18–9 9–5 3rd 1988–89 Green Bay 14–14 6–6 4th 1989–90 Green Bay 24–8 9–3 2nd NIT Second Round 1990–91 Green Bay 24–7 13–3 2nd NCAA First Round 1991–92 Green Bay 25–5 14–2 1st NIT First Round 1992–93 Green Bay 13–14 9–7 T–4th 1993–94 Green Bay 27–7 15–3 1st NCAA Second Round Please tell me what I said that wasn't factual? Last I checked, 5 is more than 4. Carrington Love, now that he's a featured player, is having a great year. Don't discount him. This team is filled with juniors, next man up. Thats what strong programs do. This isn't a young team. Tevin Findlay is doing what 3rd year players are expected to do. Yes this year's team doesn't shoot well. Neither did last year's. They won with defense. They didn't lose great defenders. This team should be able to go .500 just by playing defense. ok I will give you 5 is more than 4, in fact a 25% improvement.
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