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Post by shooting the J on Nov 17, 2014 8:41:45 GMT -6
Green Bay @ #3 Wisconsin
When: Wednesday, 11/19, 8:00 Where: The Kohl Center, Madison TV: Big Ten Network
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 17, 2014 9:58:23 GMT -6
Tall task ahead. Should be fun, I'm going to take this one in live, who else is going?
I'm sure the players have revenge on their minds after letting the game slip away last year. The Badgers are an outstanding offensive team filled with shooters, yet they're willing to pass. Tons of experience too. Will they take the Phoenix lightly and be feeling a bit fast and sassy after beating up on 2 lowly D1 teams? If so that could open the door for the Phoenix to shock the college basketball world. The Nix will need to speed this game up, and take advantage of their speed and quickness.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 17, 2014 18:07:29 GMT -6
I see no chance that UW overlooks GB. UW has super high expectations and the type of experienced guys who know what it takes to live up to that.
I think CLove, McKinnie and Mays all have to play much better to even be close. That assumes that Francis, Henry and Sykes have no drop off. I thought Lowe played well in game 1, I would love to seem him stay aggressive for longer in this game. I am curious to see what he can do against Hayes.
I agree with playing fast but also under control is key. I would say that UW has a lot of talent but they might not be the deepest and if playing fast can wear them down then maybe it opens a window for GB.
I will be heading to the game with a small group of Phoenix fans.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Nov 18, 2014 8:08:26 GMT -6
I remember last season, that Keifer put GB on his back to the tune of 34 points. UW did not have an answer defensively against him. However, the rest of the team was pedestrian offensively. Greg had an OK game but there was nobody else who was in double figures.
UW will have problems with GB's athleticism up front and their length on the permimeter. Greg and Al will need to have good games offensively. Keif won't need to score 34 again, but if UW lets him go off and shits down everyone else, then we may see a similar result once again and GB loses by 3-5 points. I also agree with GBPhoenix's assessment that they will need to play fast and under control. If GB starts off their first few possessions with unforced turnovers due to rushing the offense, then GB may be in for a tough night against UW's defense.
A lot will have to go well for GB offensively for them to stay within 5 points or less.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Nov 18, 2014 21:37:25 GMT -6
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Nov 19, 2014 9:07:41 GMT -6
GB has to be more agressive than last game. We have to go to the rim. Al and C Love can't sit at the 3 point line waiting for a pass. Most of the Ill. game we only had 1-2 people ready to rebound. If we do that against UW they will eat us alive. Our game is attacking not sitting waiting to take 3's or jump shots. I would love to see the FT average stay above 80%. FT's win games for aggressive Offensives.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 19, 2014 11:15:28 GMT -6
That is a great point about getting to the line and making free throws. As the article indicates the Badgers are most concerned about taking Sykes drives away. That could create a lot of opportunities for draw and kick to shooters, draw and dish to bigs finishing down low or just for Sykes to finish with contact for and 1.
I watched uwm vs auburn last week. Milwaukee played a way better team game than Auburn did. Yet down the stretch Auburn had the guys who could drive into the defense and create contact and finish at the line. The panther fans didn't like the calls but with the rules as they are if you can drive you can get to the line.
I am realistic but excited for the game tonight. I can't wait to see college hoops in person.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Nov 19, 2014 12:39:58 GMT -6
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Nov 19, 2014 18:13:23 GMT -6
Channel 333 on TWC.
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Post by fansincebuss on Nov 19, 2014 23:17:22 GMT -6
I am not certain if Wisconsin is that good or if Green Bay played that poor. We need more than one player step up for the big games. Foul trouble did take away some of Green Bays intensity. I think last year Wisconsin game planned for Brown and overlooked Sykes. This year they did not overlook Sykes, but no one else game up big.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 20, 2014 7:20:24 GMT -6
Well that was frustrating. As a fan I am realistic when playing teams as good as UW but to get 5 rebounds from Lowe, McKinnie, Mays and Hendo combined is not good. I have no clue why Love is allowed to keep chucking up shots, why not give someone else some minutes in his place last night? The stage was too big for him.
Mays and Fouse with wild early misses from deep as well, they seemed to have the jitters to start the game.
Thank goodness UW didn't make their free throws or this would have been a lot worse. As a side note Ted Valentine must be a UW alumni, he crushed GB with touch fouls and gave none in return.
Sykes showed he is a stud but we need more than just him to have a big year.
On to Florida, first up is ECU who hasn't played too well so far.
Lastly, congrats to the GB women for sneaking out a road victory against a top 25 team.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Nov 20, 2014 8:17:48 GMT -6
At best the game was a "humility bath" for the team and coaches. There's talent on the Green Bay squad but the team lacked patience and discipline. There were too many early jump shots. The refs didn't do the Nix any favors and lets face it -- the 2014-15 Badgers may be the best group of players in the history of the program. They have to be one of the favorites for an NCAA title.
For the Nix to have an NCAA Tournament team there needs to be more leadership than Sykes. Green Bay has to do a better job of running an offense and knowing when to pull the trigger on a shot. Use the shot clock guys if the higher percentage score is not there.
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Post by FunDmentals on Nov 20, 2014 8:18:46 GMT -6
The good news is that: 1. GB won't face a team with that combination of size and athleticism until the NCAA tournament. 2. Sykes looked phenomenal for most of the game, and I'm sure has now pushed himself into a mid-2nd round grade for next years draft. 3. I thought McKinnie looked very smooth. He got some real ticky-tack fouls that cost him minutes, but he looks like he will be a force in the Horizon. 4. Daeshon Francis was very impressive for a Freshman. Wasn't intimidated to go at the more experienced players in a hostile environment.
The bad news: 1. The Phoenix has no one outside of Sykes who could create their own shot. I know that the taller, longer defenders were giving Love, Lowe, and Mays fits, but at some point this team needs another scorer. 2. It looked like no one could shoot. On a D1 college team someone needs to be able to make a jumpshot. 3. Bo Ryan made a great adjustment in the second half to keep the ball out of Keifer's hands. Wardle had no answer to get him the ball. 4. Jordan Fouse continues to fail to impress me. He's a lockdown defender, but he's such a liability on offense it basically negates all the good he does on the other end. I'm actually concerned about his ability to dribble... 5. Carrington Love needs to play better than he did in nearly every facet of the game.
I would have loved for them to keep it close, but at the end of the day that's a game the Phoenix are probably going to lose. So it may as well serve as a wake up call to continue to work hard.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Nov 20, 2014 9:25:02 GMT -6
I'll repeat some of the things already said. 1. Wis. has a great team and the #3 ranking in the nation is right. 2. Sykes is as good as it gets. 3. Daeshon Francis should be a starter. 4. Jump shots and shotting 3 pointers probably won't hurt us as much in the HL but we have to get better and make better choices. 5. I'm not sure who our 2nd best player is right now? You might have to refer back to #3 an unproven true freshman who's fearless. 6. Since the middle of last season C Love has been a liability not a help at guard. 7. The only place we beat them was Sykes and FT %. Rebounding and 3 pt was horrible. We have to get better if we want to have any post season success. 8. We can play better but players have to play smarter. I said it before the game we had to attack the rim (our strong suit) not take fast 3 pointers and jumpers our weakness! 9. Kanter looked better last night than he did against Ill. So his 1st game may have been nerves and he does have a bigger upside that needs to be worked on.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Nov 20, 2014 11:52:31 GMT -6
I know past UWGB teams who went on to the NCAA's lost to UW, but this UW squad is a potential 2-time Final Four team (should have beaten UK in last season's National Semifinals) with lots of senior leadership, size up front, and 2 future NBA Draft picks in Kaminsky and Dekker. Typical UW teams would have their trademark team D, but would employ 3 guards and 2 bigs who are better shooters than post scorers and rely on the 3 point shot, but soft on the boards and would have trouble with more athletic teams. But with the emergence of Nigel Hayes (who is a load by himself) at the 4 spot, you can move Dekker to his natural position at the 3, and become a matchup nightmare; This on top of the typical strong perimeter shooting and strong team D. This is the most athletic team UW has had, and plays into the strengths of Bo Ryan's swing offense. I would like to see UW get revenge on UK (and Calipari's defacto NBA team) again.
GB did not utilize their advantage athletically, and you had guys who had no business being volume jump shooters and not slashing to the rim and crashing the offensive boards like they should have done; The number of defensive rebounds by UW tells the story. I also agree that Daeshon Francis is a potential starter in the making; He's the 2nd guard that is needed alongside Keif. C-Love is a good backup PG, that's it. BW needs to come to realization that C-Love is NOT a 2-guard. Al may need more minutes for his offense.
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