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Post by shooting the J on Aug 26, 2014 14:31:05 GMT -6
The Phoenix have added 6'9" F/C Kerem Kanter. Yes he is the brother of Utah Jazz center Enes Kanter. Kerem had high major offers before reclassification to the 2014 class. Huge addition, put up very good numbers at IMG Academy.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Aug 26, 2014 16:00:27 GMT -6
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Post by fansincebuss on Aug 26, 2014 18:35:06 GMT -6
He looks very good around the basket, I don't know about an outside jumper. He has had success at the international level. This was very quiet, I never heard his name before today.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Aug 26, 2014 20:14:04 GMT -6
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Aug 26, 2014 20:20:04 GMT -6
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Post by shooting the J on Aug 26, 2014 21:14:52 GMT -6
Yes, that's what you get when you're the 3rd overall pick of the draft. Enes has a knack for using his body to finish around the basket and Kerem seems to have that too. Kerems group with IMG was outstanding this year.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Aug 27, 2014 6:10:04 GMT -6
At this point in the recruiting cycle I couldn't imagine GB landing a better prospect. Even though he doesn't seem to fit the mold of being a big time athlete that GB currently has up front, he does seem to be strong, skilled and fierce. I think he and Tiby from uwm might have some rumbles. I am reading a lot about him not being a legit 6'9" but if he can keep playing hard I don't think that will matter in the HL. Also, I did like his quotes about making some national noise this year!
Thinking of this year I am not sure what to think about the minutes up front. Is Al M. ready to go? Is Henry U. going to be able to contribute? The staff made a big deal about Kerem arriving so I would assume he is going to play a fair amount along with Lowe and Mays.
Moving forward does he duplicate the skill/position of recruits like Torres?
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Aug 27, 2014 6:55:31 GMT -6
The is the second time the Nix have landed a recruit from IMG -- both foreign players -- Findlay and Kanter. (Canada aint the U.S.and Turkey is really Asia Minor) Henry Uwadiae is from Nigeria and another recent recruit, Joel Okafor, is from Nigeria by way of Indiana. (got to wait a year for Okafor) This indicates GB is opening up some additional recruiting venues.
The addition of Kanter gives the team some muscle to deal with players like Tiby. Kenny Lowe and Kanter should be able to hold their own inside. Uwadiae with time might give the Nix a Chris Otule type presence in the post. (you never know with late blooming big men -- I think it will take time with Uwadiae before we know)
The 14-15 team has a nice blend of athletic guards, some quick bigs (Mays and McKinnie)and some muscle inside -- more muscle than in past years.
I'm impressed with the skill set I see on the roster. It's deep with the potential to mix and match. Injuries and match ups cost the Nix the conference tournament. Wardle and company have address the issue better than I thought was possible.
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Post by hoops on Aug 27, 2014 17:06:38 GMT -6
Why was he available to UWGB, and
why did it take till a week before classes begin for him to pick a school?
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Aug 27, 2014 17:15:57 GMT -6
Perhaps this was a done deal for some time but it wasn't announced until he was on campus. LOI's are not binnding if they are sign outside the signing period. FYI -- there's lot of additional paperwork for foreign players.
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Post by PantherU on Aug 28, 2014 10:35:27 GMT -6
The last I had heard on Kanter was that he was still talking to schools in June, and that was also the first time I heard that GB was on his radar.
You're going to see a lot more recruits sign during summer. With how much transferring is going on - more than one per team is now the D-I average - you have a lot of teams holding that final scholarship with hopes of adding an impact transfer at the break. I didn't know how prevalent it was until I had a discussion with some of the Valpo and Milwaukee coaches before our regular season game in Valpo this past winter; they think it's a trend that's going to continue.
We picked up Tiby as a semester transfer, although he was a walk-on while he sat for the spring semester in 2013. Most players don't have that luxury, so it's a big deal to be able to hold that scholarship.
WSU and UIC I believe have also added transfers at semester break. We were going to do that until Justin Jordan joined the squad. I'm guessing that like Justin, Kerem will be hungry to prove that he's more than just family to a famous name.
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Post by PantherU on Aug 28, 2014 10:38:39 GMT -6
Fixed. Attitude is much more important than history. Loyola has a winning history.
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Post by Fanforever on Aug 28, 2014 12:34:31 GMT -6
BlackPanther thank you for the insight on how college recruiting is changing and with all the transfering it makes sense. I think that is part of the reason for Kanter and I also read that he reclassified late to the 2014 class, which helps to explain the lateness of him signing. Also, the article I read stated he was being recruited by some high majors. If I can locate the artice again i will post the link.
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Post by PantherU on Aug 28, 2014 16:49:59 GMT -6
BlackPanther thank you for the insight on how college recruiting is changing and with all the transfering it makes sense. I think that is part of the reason for Kanter and I also read that he reclassified late to the 2014 class, which helps to explain the lateness of him signing. Also, the article I read stated he was being recruited by some high majors. If I can locate the artice again i will post the link. All I can see is interest, and if you follow recruiting heavily (I think Jay is pretty religious about following it), you know that interest means almost nothing unless there's a scheduled official visit that already happened or is happening. People who do recruiting news often get the school list from the players themselves, who will turn a short conversation with a coach into "Interest." For instance, when Shaq Boga had committed to Milwaukee, he told me that he had offers from Minnesota, Purdue and Nebraska out of the Big Ten, only Purdue told me that they did in fact have a scholarship offer. Minnesota and Nebraska told me that they were considering but had never gone past the "interest" stage. We've had players with "Interest" from elite programs when really all it was is them talking about walking on or something like that. Players themselves are in the business of promoting themselves. No more, no less. They want people to think they're great because they think it will influence the coaches. A lot of times they're right. If fans think this new freshman had offers from big name teams, they'll put pressure on message boards, in conversations and at games to "Put _____ in there!" when things are going wrong. I learned this lesson late; I was convinced that Shaq Boga was the future at PG, as was everyone else - and it had a lot to do with the offers they had, or said they had, and "interest" they had. Going through your roster, I'm guessing that most of your players are like ours and pretty honest about who is recruiting them. That's totally fine. As for Kanter, I sent a couple players around the conference the video and each of them said they'd already seen it. One of the guys said Kanter is a "known quantity." All three of them had said there is no way he is 6'9". I personally think he has Tiby's style without the emotion, polish or body. As a freshman, you don't expect them to have those. He's definitely a small forward, even if he doubles the muscle and goes nuts, so that Uwadiae kid is going to have everything falling on his shoulders to replace Alec Brown. I say this because Mays was already playing 25 minutes a game last year, and you can't expect him to take on many more minutes or else he's going to be a shadow in March. And that's the goal: March. Alec Brown's shadow is going to loom large early in the season, and Kanter isn't a post player. He will score in the post as small forwards tend to do, but is he going to bang down low with Horizon League post players? The video shows him scoring a lot of bunnies against terrible, smaller defenders. This isn't to say that Kanter isn't going to be a good player, I just expect him to play small forward rather than full-time post as the 6'9" phantom height would suggest. For as much a runaway favorite as Green Bay is heading into this season, they're remarkably thin on the depth chart. Alfonzo McKinnie and Keifer Sykes have to stay healthy, Mays has to increase his production as the starter without Alec Brown to draw defenders away (same goes for Fouse), and at least two of these recruits are going to have to pan out immediately if this is a Sweet 16 team - which it could be, Sykes is the real deal. And you won't have us to ruin your coronation this time By the way, here's the winning dunk from Daeshon Francis in the campus welcome dunk contest today: http://instagram.com/p/sQewv4ETcW
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Post by shooting the J on Aug 29, 2014 7:01:21 GMT -6
BlackPanther thank you for the insight on how college recruiting is changing and with all the transfering it makes sense. I think that is part of the reason for Kanter and I also read that he reclassified late to the 2014 class, which helps to explain the lateness of him signing. Also, the article I read stated he was being recruited by some high majors. If I can locate the artice again i will post the link. All I can see is interest, and if you follow recruiting heavily (I think Jay is pretty religious about following it), you know that interest means almost nothing unless there's a scheduled official visit that already happened or is happening. People who do recruiting news often get the school list from the players themselves, who will turn a short conversation with a coach into "Interest." For instance, when Shaq Boga had committed to Milwaukee, he told me that he had offers from Minnesota, Purdue and Nebraska out of the Big Ten, only Purdue told me that they did in fact have a scholarship offer. Minnesota and Nebraska told me that they were considering but had never gone past the "interest" stage. We've had players with "Interest" from elite programs when really all it was is them talking about walking on or something like that. Players themselves are in the business of promoting themselves. No more, no less. They want people to think they're great because they think it will influence the coaches. A lot of times they're right. If fans think this new freshman had offers from big name teams, they'll put pressure on message boards, in conversations and at games to "Put _____ in there!" when things are going wrong. I learned this lesson late; I was convinced that Shaq Boga was the future at PG, as was everyone else - and it had a lot to do with the offers they had, or said they had, and "interest" they had. Going through your roster, I'm guessing that most of your players are like ours and pretty honest about who is recruiting them. That's totally fine. As for Kanter, I sent a couple players around the conference the video and each of them said they'd already seen it. One of the guys said Kanter is a "known quantity." All three of them had said there is no way he is 6'9". I personally think he has Tiby's style without the emotion, polish or body. As a freshman, you don't expect them to have those. He's definitely a small forward, even if he doubles the muscle and goes nuts, so that Uwadiae kid is going to have everything falling on his shoulders to replace Alec Brown. I say this because Mays was already playing 25 minutes a game last year, and you can't expect him to take on many more minutes or else he's going to be a shadow in March. And that's the goal: March. Alec Brown's shadow is going to loom large early in the season, and Kanter isn't a post player. He will score in the post as small forwards tend to do, but is he going to bang down low with Horizon League post players? The video shows him scoring a lot of bunnies against terrible, smaller defenders. This isn't to say that Kanter isn't going to be a good player, I just expect him to play small forward rather than full-time post as the 6'9" phantom height would suggest. For as much a runaway favorite as Green Bay is heading into this season, they're remarkably thin on the depth chart. Alfonzo McKinnie and Keifer Sykes have to stay healthy, Mays has to increase his production as the starter without Alec Brown to draw defenders away (same goes for Fouse), and at least two of these recruits are going to have to pan out immediately if this is a Sweet 16 team - which it could be, Sykes is the real deal. And you won't have us to ruin your coronation this time By the way, here's the winning dunk from Daeshon Francis in the campus welcome dunk contest today: http://instagram.com/p/sQewv4ETcW Kanter at one point had not just interest, but offers from both Pitt and Boston College. His international schedule messed up his recruiting a bit. High majors don't need to wait, they can just move on to the next kid. Kanter put up very similar numbers as 6'10" teammate Chris Mccullough, a Syracuse recruit.
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