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Post by phoenixphan87 on Mar 7, 2019 16:49:02 GMT -6
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on Mar 7, 2019 17:20:01 GMT -6
Is this really that great of a deal? Only 3 teams in their conference sdst ndsu and oral Roberts have any success that I can remember.
To me the horizon league is way better and should be playing the mvc or wac instead. Maybe I am still viewing the conference the way it was when it had Valpo idk.
Just seems like they could schedule these teams on their own without a contract. It’d be nice to see gb focus their attention on doing a 3 for 1 4 for 1 or even 5 for 1 with a Northwestern or Rutgers. A lower level power five that isn’t very good but could be in the next five years. Going after Purdue is cool but they will never come here. I feel like a DePaul or Northwestern might come here if we offer a 3 or 4 for 1. Some people might not think it’s a sexy matchup but I think those games could draw 4-5k at least here.
I remember when K state came here in like 2002 when they weren’t very good and I think that game got 4500ish. Just depressing that currently the best we can hope for each season is a MVC home game against a bottom tier team.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 8, 2019 6:47:26 GMT -6
I will take this to mean two bigger picture things.
One, Fort Wayne isn't part of HL expansion in the near future.
Two, the Summit League is going to 10 teams soon but hasn't announced their addition yet. UMKC makes so much sense though.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Mar 8, 2019 7:55:38 GMT -6
Is this really that great of a deal? Only 3 teams in their conference sdst ndsu and oral Roberts have any success that I can remember. To me the horizon league is way better and should be playing the mvc or wac instead. Maybe I am still viewing the conference the way it was when it had Valpo idk. Just seems like they could schedule these teams on their own without a contract. It’d be nice to see gb focus their attention on doing a 3 for 1 4 for 1 or even 5 for 1 with a Northwestern or Rutgers. A lower level power five that isn’t very good but could be in the next five years. Going after Purdue is cool but they will never come here. I feel like a DePaul or Northwestern might come here if we offer a 3 or 4 for 1. Some people might not think it’s a sexy matchup but I think those games could draw 4-5k at least here. I remember when K state came here in like 2002 when they weren’t very good and I think that game got 4500ish. Just depressing that currently the best we can hope for each season is a MVC home game against a bottom tier team. This isn't the Horizon league of the 2000s with Butler. As much as we want to believe that the Summit League is our little sister, we are now basically on level ground. Getting set dates for two known games to work around is a good thing. Mid major basketball has changed so much. With every P6 school gearing towards 20 conference games, those teams still want 15+ home dates. Throw in a MTE somewhere and its almost impossible to get a team to travel to a mid major. It is a step in the right direction to solve a problem.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 8, 2019 8:54:11 GMT -6
I know with almost 100% certainty that Northwestern and DePaul won't schedule GB in a buy game let alone some combination of 3 or more for 1 series.
The average budget per team in the MVC is 500k per season more than the HL. As much as I would like to think the two league's are on equal footing they are not. In that regard the Summit is a better fit. GB is currently not able to beat Indiana State and Evansville, I can't imagine they would fair better against Loyola at this time.
I don't love this series, in fact I have big concerns. However, I do see the idea and the coordination between league's as a positive thing. Getting that ball rolling hopefully leads to bigger/better things in the future.
One other big picture item. I take it that the Horizon League is no longer a part of Mark Adam's scheduling alliance. That would be a shame. That is a better version of what the league agreed to with the Summit IMO.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 8, 2019 10:10:53 GMT -6
Kind of interesting. Augusta University in Sioux Falls approved a switch to D1 in December. They just announced a partnership with the Sanford Pentagon for home hoops games. They appear to be angling to get in the Summit League. My guess is that they will be the 10th team when this is all said and done. They were D2 national champs 3 years ago in hoops.
Also, interesting is that they play football. This could give the Summit League 6 football teams which would give them enough to sponsor football as a conference. That might have other expansion impact.
This could be nothing and this could be a big change for mid major league's if Augustana does join the Summit. It is something to watch.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Mar 8, 2019 10:48:20 GMT -6
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on Mar 8, 2019 13:45:29 GMT -6
I know with almost 100% certainty that Northwestern and DePaul won't schedule GB in a buy game let alone some combination of 3 or more for 1 series. The average budget per team in the MVC is 500k per season more than the HL. As much as I would like to think the two league's are on equal footing they are not. In that regard the Summit is a better fit. GB is currently not able to beat Indiana State and Evansville, I can't imagine they would fair better against Loyola at this time. I don't love this series, in fact I have big concerns. However, I do see the idea and the coordination between league's as a positive thing. Getting that ball rolling hopefully leads to bigger/better things in the future. One other big picture item. I take it that the Horizon League is no longer a part of Mark Adam's scheduling alliance. That would be a shame. That is a better version of what the league agreed to with the Summit IMO. Why won’t they schedule gb for a buy game? Cause they compete for the same players? Shouldn’t the bigger school be able to easily get that player if they wanted him? I wouldn’t say they can’t beat Indiana St or Evansville either. Yes they lost to both this year but by under five points. That’s more execution than anything. I think with how down the mvc is this year they could beat any of those teams but I realize it won’t always be this down. They can compete most years with all but maybe one or two of those schools and even if they face them at home it would be a close game. I think the MVC already has a challenge with the WAC or Mountain West is the issue.
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Post by uscg2012 on Mar 8, 2019 14:09:42 GMT -6
I won’t complain about any games against Division 1 competition. The less D2’s and D’3 the better.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 8, 2019 15:19:12 GMT -6
GB got smoked by Indiana State last year at ISU. Evansville was in the middle of a total rebuild using a first year head coach with no real experience. I love GB but right now the MVC teams are just a touch better than the HL. In a challenge series I would imagine the MVC would win 7-3 or better.
The Mountain West discontinued their series with the MVC after this year. I believe the MWC started a new series now with the A10 staring in 2020.
I have that NU and DU scheduling item third hand. My guess is GB recruits the area and is good enough that they could occasionally beat those teams. If you are paying the same $80,000 or more and it doesn't impact the gate you might as well play teams you know you will beat. Plus I don't know if GB has any coaching connections with those teams. Marquette has coaches from outside of the area, they don't play GB. GB played Creighton, one of the GB coaches worked in Omaha for awhile. GB played Kansas State, Missouri and now Purdue where Darner has connections to the head coaches. If Virginia, Creighton, Kansas State, Missouri or Purdue aren't going to give GB a deal with a home game then I doubt anyone else will.
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on Mar 9, 2019 9:27:22 GMT -6
Those teams you mentioned have had success in the last ten years, Northwestern and DePaul have not save for a year or two. Illinois is another one that has been terrible for awhile what about them? If a Midwest team won’t how about Rutgers or Vanderbilt? Bryce Drew connection!
I wonder if they looked into the Ohio Valley? Morehead St Belmont and Murray St I like a lot better than the top 3 in the Summit and we already play a lot of those schools anyway.
I agree as long as these leads to no more d2 or d3 games I’ll take this all day heck I’ll take Chicago st and Grambling St every year if it means no non d-1 I just aim for and hope for higher for this team as gb is my one and only I hate Wisconsin and only root for Marquette cause my wife went there but I could really care less if they win or Lose.
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Post by indtjb on Mar 10, 2019 23:20:43 GMT -6
Just a note: IUPUI (8th in the Horizon end of season standings) beat Bradley during the 2018 - 2019 regular season. Bradley just won the Missouri Valley Tournament.
If you look at Ken Pom ratings, Green Bay and IUPUI are both listed above quite a few MVC schools such as Evansville, Indiana State, and Valparaiso.
I’d say the Horizon, MVC, Summit, and OVC are all pretty similar and should be playing more inter-conference games against schools from those conferences.
IUPUI played Bradley (MVC), Western IL (Summit), Purdue Ft Wayne (Summit), and Eastern IL (OVC) and went 3 - 1, losing only to Purdue Ft Wayne.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Mar 11, 2019 11:07:42 GMT -6
I won’t complain about any games against Division 1 competition. The less D2’s and D’3 the better. Agreed......I'll take games versus Nebraska-Omaha, SDSU, and NDSU instead of UW-Stout and Rockford College.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Mar 12, 2019 6:26:57 GMT -6
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Post by gbbrl97 on Mar 12, 2019 7:48:12 GMT -6
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