Interesting article. From what Linc says, it sounds like the Resch does play an important part in recruiting, so totally going away from the Resch might not be the best idea simply for that alone. I still feel that if they can't get better teams to come to Green Bay, they can't continue to play their entire home schedule at the Resch. 2500 fans at the Kress feels WAY more full than 2500 fans at the Resch. The band/students will be right on the top of the action, and the crowd in general is much closer to the game at the Kress. Games at the Resch are a blast when the arena is full. I was at the Resch when they played Marquette, Wisconsin, Virginia, and UW-Milwaukee in the Horizon league tourney, those games were a ton of fun. Unfortunately, when only a third of the arena is full (which was the case for every home game this season), the atmosphere can feel kind of lame. Paying $6,000 to rent an arena is crazy when you bring in teams like Lakeland and Rockford. Those games have no business being at the Resch. The athletic department will have some tough decisions to make, but it should be interesting to see how this process plays out in the offseason. Personally, I think that games at the Kress would be more enjoyable, but I feel that using both arena's is what's best for the program.
Post by Amari D is the Next Tony B on Feb 15, 2018 18:12:52 GMT -6
This is a pretty easy answer.
In the new deal say you’ll play five games a year at the resch. Say you’ll do two Friday games and three Saturday and make them your best games.
All other games should be at the Kress. If they don’t agree to this deal you walk altogether. I think Green Bay has more leverage than the resch does because 6k a game is too much for a school with a d-3 budget. Attendance is down and will stay down unless this team has a winner. With the age of the internet there is no reason to go to games anymore on a cold blistery night during the week when you can watch on espn3 for free.
I went to two games this year. Bowling green cause it was sandy cohens first game and Oakland because at the time it was considered their best home game of the year. I wanted to go to wright st and northern Kentucky but couldn’t find anyone to want to go with me.
The bottom line is people won’t pay to see average or poor basketball. I went to badger game on Sunday and the kohl centers upper deck looked like the resch. Even the middle section had some empty seats. Your only as good as your current year and what you did in the past doesn’t matter to today’s add society. I still watch most of every game this year but I won’t spend anymore money on a losing program this year. Badger game I got free tickets which is why I went.
The current deal they have reminds me of the cbi tournament. Why would you pay someone to play when you can do it for free?
Post by thetulsawarrior on Feb 15, 2018 18:52:04 GMT -6
Scheduling problems at the Resch haven't done any favors for the Nix. That impacted the won loss record and overall team development. If PMI can't do better for the Phoenix I'd walk it to the Kress. (would the Kress Family or someone else be willing to pony up for a 2,000 seat expansion?) In the best of all worlds split the difference between Resch and Kress.
Post by GBPhoenix1 on Feb 15, 2018 23:02:36 GMT -6
I think 6k is a drop in bucket for a rental fee. Especially when they can make it back by actually putting fans in the seats. You have to keep in mind that the average ticket price they sell is north of $15. With 2500 people at $15 they make $37,500 minus the $6000. So they make $31,500 without having to do anything or take any risk. With 15 home games that is $562,500. If they get more fans in the stands they make more.
Moving to the Kress isn't all profit. Sure they gain more control over everything financial but they also have more expense. They pay the ushers, vendors, security, parking etc. Plus they run the risk of upsetting some bigger financial supporters of the program.
I did vote for the hybrid because I agree preseason or games against non D1 or barely D1 teams in the non conference shouldn't be played in a big empty arena. However, I think this debate centers on one thought. It isn't what your program is but rather what your program could be. Green Bay basketball is in a market that could easily support the bigger building. In Wardle's last two seasons the program had a combined 11 games where the crowd was too big for the Kress. In Darner's three seasons they have had a combined 4 games that the Kress couldn't fit. The difference IMO is winning. Right now Darner's claim to fame is making the dance but don't forget they did that as the #4 seed. Expectations weren't too high in any of his 3 seasons and it is reflected at the gate. If he gets this turned around the Kress will be too small.
Geno Ford wanted to spend a couple million dollars to get a home court advantage at Bradley in their on campus building. He wasn't getting the job done so fans stayed away and he wanted to create an atmosphere in a small building. Thankfully for Bradley Fans they canned Geno Ford and hired Brian Wardle. This year the average attendance is 5500 people and they have had multiple games over 7000. I don't see any reason GB can't get back to averaging 3500 plus and filling up more than 4018 people at least 5 or 6 times per year. They just need the wins or else people will watch from home on ESPN3.
2500 fans at the Kress feels WAY more full than 2500 fans at the Resch.
I guess my question is whether we'd get 2,500 people per game at the Kress. Look what happened at UWM when they moved their games back to campus, they lost a ton of season ticket holders. Now granted their men's basketball / athletic department was kind of a dumpster fire for a few years but surely the move back to campus contributed to their massive decline in attendance. Hopefully GB would take a survey of the season ticket holders before moving any games from the Resch.
I still think 3-5 games per year at the Kress is a good idea but they should play the majority at the Resch.
Post by stillaphoenixphan on Feb 16, 2018 13:41:16 GMT -6
If they do them as different packages no problem. But after paying for 5-8 season tickets for ~25 yrs I'm not paying for games at the Kress. I gave my tickets to my son for tonight. I just have no interest going to the Kress. I do go to The Bar sometimes because they donate ~$50k per year to the program. I don't know how sponsors feel about this idea?
Post by GBPhoenix1 on Feb 17, 2018 14:54:31 GMT -6
I will stick with my hybrid opinion but the Kress is small time compared to the Resch. The team is going up and down stairs to get to the locker room. The concession choices are weak. The bathrooms are small and tucked away. The parking could have been handled better. Personally my seats were much worse than what I have at the Resch. As someone else mentioned the courtside situation wasn't good. There are no suites either so the most expensive spots to watch, courtside and suites would be a downgrade.
So any preseason or junk non con games are fine for the Kress but any conference or marquee non conference games should be in the Resch.
Also, the HL needs to help GB out. This year was junk ending the home season early and having Milwaukee on a Monday night.
I would hope the league didn't screw GB because the AD spot was open.
The non con definitely needs someone to audit that. My guess though would have been adding more buy games because I know the new AD wants to increase revenue. He only seems focused on the very few people who he thinks or has been told matter. I know plenty of people in the top 100 Phoenix Fund donors who haven't heard from him. With a narrow scope of donors, the easy way to make money is to play buy games.
The video boards are a huge downgrade at the Kress from the Resch. Hard to see a replay and I have good vision.
-Highlights include 10 games at the Resch and 5 at the Kress- exhibition game vs Mich Tech, Both non D1 games, Indiana State game and one Horizon league game.
-It appears that Mr Guthrie was paying attention to our poll -The season opener vs Wisconsin Lutheran is an 11:30 am start. Have to assume that the women have a big time opponent that evening at home. We might have one of the first overall games of the season starting at that time
-Indiana State game time is at 3:30PM on Nov 9th (Friday). Going to guess this may be to accommodate ISU from paying huge $ for hotels during a Packer home weekend. The teams probably struggled to find a better date to play.
- Interesting to see what types of season ticket packages are available. Full packages along with Resch or Kress only? With 5 games at the Kress, the seat selection process for season ticket holders will need to be better than it was for the UIC game last year.