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Post by fansincebuss on Dec 5, 2016 20:54:24 GMT -6
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Post by uscg2012 on Dec 5, 2016 21:28:59 GMT -6
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Post by uscg2012 on Dec 6, 2016 7:46:23 GMT -6
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Post by gbbrl97 on Dec 6, 2016 7:52:32 GMT -6
Maybe I'm confused here......Couldn't Cohen sit out the rest of this season and be eligible to play the last half of his junior season after January 2018, then play his entire senior year in 2018-2019?
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 6, 2016 8:51:02 GMT -6
Maybe I'm confused here......Couldn't Cohen sit out the rest of this season and be eligible to play the last half of his junior season after January 2018, then play his entire senior year in 2018-2019? I think its implying that he will be a junior when he joins the team, yes.
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Post by kricket755 on Dec 6, 2016 9:18:18 GMT -6
Maybe I'm confused here......Couldn't Cohen sit out the rest of this season and be eligible to play the last half of his junior season after January 2018, then play his entire senior year in 2018-2019? I don't see any reason why this wouldn't be the case, as we often see players become eligible 2nd semester/January. For example, Luke Fischer at Marquette. I'm not an expert, but I think the Milwaukee journal sentinel description was somewhere between confusing and incorrect.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Dec 6, 2016 9:23:04 GMT -6
I think there will be an appeal to the NCAA on the question of eligibility. As it stand now if he plays after the first semester next season he will have just half a year of eligibility. If he waits until the 2017-18 he would have a year and half of eligibility. I'm not sure what an appeal to the NCAA can achieve but it's worth a try.
Welcome to the team Sandy!
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 6, 2016 9:51:32 GMT -6
According to Mark Miller of the Wisconsin Basketball Yearbook, Sandy Cohen has committed to play for Green Bay after his departure from Marquette. The MJS article was not very clear as to how much eligibility he has remaining. He is/was a junior this season who saw a total of 13 minutes of action over three games. According to the article, he will be eligible for the second half of next season, but it remains unclear as to if he will still be a junior as opposed to a senior. One option he has is to request a waiver from the NCAA to grant him a full year of eligibility since he played so little this season and left so soon. The Marquette fans seem to not like him ( www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=52793.25 ) but I think they are blinded by the fact that Wojo really has no plans for him, regardless of skill, since he was not one of his recruits. Again, they are Marquette fans, and like Badger fans, are ruthless when it comes to defending their coaches, even when there are other valid sides to an argument. Sandy was a 4 star recruit coming out of Seymour High School and ranked 19th in the nation as an overall recruit for his class. He is undoubtedly the most highly touted player to join the Phoenix program. As kind of a combo guard, Sandy should fit nicely into a program that will be losing a plethora of guards and hopefully take a big leadership role. Welcome Sandy!
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Post by kricket755 on Dec 6, 2016 10:07:24 GMT -6
Let me make sure I am on the same wavelength, Tulsa. The two options we foresee for Cohen's eligibility are as follows:
1) Exhausted 1 semester of Junior eligibility by playing 3 games this year Winter '16. Follows NCAA transfer guideline by sitting Spring '17 and Winter '17 to be eligible Winter '18 and all of '18-'19.
'14/'15 Freshman-MU '15/'16 Soph-MU '16 winter-1st half junior MU '17 spring and '18 winter- NCAA mandated 1 year transfer window '18 spring- 2nd half Junior UWGB '18/'19- Senior UWG This abides by 5 years to play 4 and the full transfer window.
2) Files appeal to NCAA that 3 games played this year not count as full semester, thus giving him ability to be eligible for 2 full seasons of '17-'18 and '18-'19? I am not sure if this is the type of appeal you were referencing. I would guess the best case scenario would still force him to sit the 3 games to start next year to match the games he played at MU this year.
'14/'15- Freshman MU '15/'16- Soph MU '16/'17- 1 year transfer window per NCAA appeal? Must miss first 3 games of '17/'18 season? '17/'18- Junior UWGB '18/'19- Senior UWGB This abides by 5 years to play 4 but the NCAA policy of any appearance is a full semester of eligibility used would have to be appealed.
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Post by kricket755 on Dec 6, 2016 10:09:34 GMT -6
Also, Sandy Cohen probably needs his own thread. I would consider a former top 100 recruit with starting experience at "Major" conference bball school to be a huge move for UWGB.
Edited: thread was created. Thanks!
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Post by uscg2012 on Dec 6, 2016 10:15:36 GMT -6
If Fernandez for Valpo could get six years to play, surely the NCAA can grant Sandy at least a 1 1/2 years to play. How awesome would it be if the NCAA would just make Cohen sit out the first 3 games next season and be eligible for the rest of the season?
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 6, 2016 10:51:49 GMT -6
A repost from another thread, but I feel its important to share as this is a more coherent look at Sandy's eligibility than anything the MJS or the Marquette board is offering, credit to our friend, Kricket!
1) Exhausted 1 semester of Junior eligibility by playing 3 games this year Winter '16. Follows NCAA transfer guideline by sitting Spring '17 and Winter '17 to be eligible Winter '18 and all of '18-'19.
'14/'15 Freshman-MU '15/'16 Soph-MU '16 winter-1st half junior MU '17 spring and '18 winter- NCAA mandated 1 year transfer window '18 spring- 2nd half Junior UWGB '18/'19- Senior UWG This abides by 5 years to play 4 and the full transfer window.
2) Files appeal to NCAA that 3 games played this year not count as full semester, thus giving him ability to be eligible for 2 full seasons of '17-'18 and '18-'19? I am not sure if this is the type of appeal you were referencing. I would guess the best case scenario would still force him to sit the 3 games to start next year to match the games he played at MU this year.
'14/'15- Freshman MU '15/'16- Soph MU '16/'17- 1 year transfer window per NCAA appeal? Must miss first 3 games of '17/'18 season? '17/'18- Junior UWGB '18/'19- Senior UWGB This abides by 5 years to play 4 but the NCAA policy of any appearance is a full semester of eligibility used would have to be appealed.
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Post by kricket755 on Dec 6, 2016 11:00:09 GMT -6
This is big time. Great to have a skilled-athletic wing like Sandy. I have come away impressed with him a few times watching Marquette games. He may be the best athlete on the team next year, imo.
I don't want to derail the thread, but I believe Anderson, Small, Cohen, and Paul Turner (whose stock is skyrocketing this season, imo) will form a group of perimeter players that is excellent (potentially elite?) in the horizon in terms of offensive skill and the ability to shoot/drive. To think where this team was just 2 years ago in offensive skill and perimeter shooting(29% of 3s in '14/'15), Linc is getting close to what he needs to have more consistency on offense. Trust me, I am not sleeping on the rest of the guys. Browns', Hankerson, and the freshmen should make this a deep perimeter group, but I think that group of four could be special scoring the basketball in this system. I'd like to have Hankerson in that group by the end of this season. Now let's go get a JUCO big and see how this team looks in '17/'18. Im excited.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 6, 2016 11:03:10 GMT -6
Cohen is a tailor made player for RP40 and will fortunately be able to fill the gap left by Charles and Turner. This year's team I think still has a hint of end of the year magic in them and I ultimately believe they can get back to the tourney. Next year's team will be downright scary to play and should be the obvious favorite to win the conference.
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Post by fansincebuss on Dec 6, 2016 11:35:07 GMT -6
A repost from another thread, but I feel its important to share as this is a more coherent look at Sandy's eligibility than anything the MJS or the Marquette board is offering, credit to our friend, Kricket! 1) Exhausted 1 semester of Junior eligibility by playing 3 games this year Winter '16. Follows NCAA transfer guideline by sitting Spring '17 and Winter '17 to be eligible Winter '18 and all of '18-'19. '14/'15 Freshman-MU '15/'16 Soph-MU '16 winter-1st half junior MU '17 spring and '18 winter- NCAA mandated 1 year transfer window '18 spring- 2nd half Junior UWGB '18/'19- Senior UWG This abides by 5 years to play 4 and the full transfer window. 2) Files appeal to NCAA that 3 games played this year not count as full semester, thus giving him ability to be eligible for 2 full seasons of '17-'18 and '18-'19? I am not sure if this is the type of appeal you were referencing. I would guess the best case scenario would still force him to sit the 3 games to start next year to match the games he played at MU this year. '14/'15- Freshman MU '15/'16- Soph MU '16/'17- 1 year transfer window per NCAA appeal? Must miss first 3 games of '17/'18 season? '17/'18- Junior UWGB '18/'19- Senior UWGB This abides by 5 years to play 4 but the NCAA policy of any appearance is a full semester of eligibility used would have to be appealed. I like either of the scenarios you present, they both are very logical. Unfortunately the NCAA doesn't always use logic. From what I read the best case was sit out 1 1/2 year and get a full year of eligibility. Your first scenario makes perfect sense to me but is not how I interpret what has been written. Hopefully an appeal would result in at least 1 1/2 years of eligibility, I would regard 2 years as a bonus and I expect at least 1 year.
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