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Post by PantherU on Mar 25, 2015 17:38:05 GMT -6
Thanks for spin on UWM's arena situation blackpanthermke. Looks like you guys will keep your home for a while. Hopefully UWM as a program will be a consistent winner again and hope the UWM-GB rivalry will always have conference title implications year in and year out, and make it that much more intense. Our long term ability to be one of the top 3 programs every year in the Horizon League (a relatively attainable goal) hinges on the basketball practice facility. The draw of it is undeniable. The Kress Center, which admittedly for men's basketball is a private practice court close to training, weight and locker rooms (the former two communal with all sports), has been a huge boon for recruiting. GB has pulled in much better players in the past eight years than they did in the previous eight (not to knock guys like Ryan Evanochko, just recruiting as a whole). We have the worst practice situation in the country. If we're going to hold up our end of that bargain, we're going to need to fix that problem. Since GB has been a 4-year institution since 1969, I don't think there has been enough time to develop the university historically. IMO, we should be the 3rd largest university in the UW-System (Madison @ 43-44K students), UWM (27-28K students), while GB is under 7K and smaller than most of the WIAC schools (except for Superior and River Falls) and UW-Parkside. I think UW-Oshkosh is the 3rs largest school in the UW system with 12-13K students. That's definitely a possibility. I also think that we just flat-out have too many campuses. There's no need for there to be 13 four-year schools. In the age of the internet, the state would save a whole lot of money by closing as much as half of the UW campuses (2-year and 4-year) and putting some money into getting internet access to every corner of the state, to maximize the UW System online degree that this liberal thinks is the best thing the Walker administration has done. A few of those two-year schools should have their operations absorbed by GB and Oshkosh. We should absorb UW-Waukesha, which has already been discussed at length. However, you look at a school like Wright State (founded in 1967, so not that much older than GB), but has 17-18K students and has grown much more quickly. I'm not saying that GB should be that large, but should at least be twice the size it is currently. I would like to point out that Ohio is significantly larger than Wisconsin. They have only one more four-year school than Wisconsin has. That might be the problem right there.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 25, 2015 18:10:48 GMT -6
I'm starting to think as the days go by that the Bucks are less and less likely to even be building a new arena at all. The funding has huge question marks, and everyone says they're all in. I disagree. These guys won't make any money if they don't build an arena. They aren't in this to break even. They just want the maximum from other sources but in the end it will get done. It is just in the delicate dance of them wanting more and the public not wanting to seem like it caved in without some push back to lessen the cost. Well, they wouldn't be breaking even regardless. Just because the NBA has given them the option to get their money back doesn't mean they'll take it. They bought the franchise and it's value skyrocketed. They'll make a lot more selling it. Selling it may mean moving. They have no obligation to Milwaukee. I hope you're right.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 25, 2015 18:27:41 GMT -6
I disagree. These guys won't make any money if they don't build an arena. They aren't in this to break even. They just want the maximum from other sources but in the end it will get done. It is just in the delicate dance of them wanting more and the public not wanting to seem like it caved in without some push back to lessen the cost. Well, they wouldn't be breaking even regardless. Just because the NBA has given them the option to get their money back doesn't mean they'll take it. They bought the franchise and it's value skyrocketed. They'll make a lot more selling it. Selling it may mean moving. They have no obligation to Milwaukee. I hope you're right. They have a provision to sell the team back to the league for 575 million if they don't have an arena or progress towards an arena by 2017. They paid 550 million. These guys won't make much money to them, 25 million, if they don't get the arena. The league however could buy it back and then sell it for a huge profit to an owner in another city. I don't see hedge fund billionaires letting an opportunity like that be missed. They are going to make money on the team and the development around the new building. They have a huge incentive to get this done.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Mar 26, 2015 7:10:02 GMT -6
Hey blackpanthermke, I can talk my head off about UW-System contraction. We definitely don't need 13 4-year institutions (maybe this is a debate we may want to continue on another thread??).....When you look at the state of AZ, which has 1 mil more people than WI (granted the population is more concentrated and not as spread out as WI) they only have 3 public universities (ASU, UA, and N. Arizona). The state of Iowa has also followed this model for their public universities (although their population is more spread out, but much less than WI).
You're right (obviously) about OH. They are twice the population of WI. I think I was trying to make the point that a relatively young university like WSU has grown very quickly, while UWGB is in the 3rd largest area in WI has not grown as quickly as it should have IMO. Expanding GB's STEM and Business programs to meet current job demands needs to happen. Also (as with most UW schools), they have lagged in online offerings. I'm tinkering in getting another master's degree and want to go exclusively online (due to raising a young son) and UW has NOTHING I want to pursue.
Like you, and for the sake of maximizing UWGB's rivalry with UWM, I want them to get the practice facility they need. Is expanding the Klotche Center a possibility? Or is the footprint not conducive to any further growth?
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Post by PantherU on Mar 27, 2015 10:27:53 GMT -6
Hey blackpanthermke, I can talk my head off about UW-System contraction. We definitely don't need 13 4-year institutions (maybe this is a debate we may want to continue on another thread??).....When you look at the state of AZ, which has 1 mil more people than WI (granted the population is more concentrated and not as spread out as WI) they only have 3 public universities (ASU, UA, and N. Arizona). The state of Iowa has also followed this model for their public universities (although their population is more spread out, but much less than WI). You're right (obviously) about OH. They are twice the population of WI. I think I was trying to make the point that a relatively young university like WSU has grown very quickly, while UWGB is in the 3rd largest area in WI has not grown as quickly as it should have IMO. Expanding GB's STEM and Business programs to meet current job demands needs to happen. Also (as with most UW schools), they have lagged in online offerings. I'm tinkering in getting another master's degree and want to go exclusively online (due to raising a young son) and UW has NOTHING I want to pursue. Like you, and for the sake of maximizing UWGB's rivalry with UWM, I want them to get the practice facility they need. Is expanding the Klotche Center a possibility? Or is the footprint not conducive to any further growth? The practice facility would essentially be an expansion of the Klotsche Center. It would be a two-story building connected to the Klotsche Center by a pedestrian bridge, eliminating the need for training tables in the building. I refer you to our story that broke the news on the facility last November: pantheru.com/2014/11/panthers-to-get-new-practice-home-mkebb-hlmbb/
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Post by phearthephoenix on Dec 28, 2018 16:18:06 GMT -6
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Post by gonix on Jan 3, 2019 18:57:30 GMT -6
I believe that the program was ranked 7th, bottom of the league, any finish in the top half or top three would be a tremendous accomplishment given the recruiting ground (Northern Wisconsin) and budget! The university and administration couldn't even afford to put the first first games online because of faulty equipment. They don't they fund-raise for this stuff? Sorry, just make the Men's team play more paid games (5Gms) than the previous head coaches (2Gm)
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Post by uscg2012 on Jan 4, 2019 7:58:08 GMT -6
I agree the faulty equipment thing shouldnt of happened and could of been avoided. Although I do think the fundraising has increased over the past few years and the University of Green Bay is continually growing. It was the only state school to see an increase in students this past year.
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Post by fangb on Jan 4, 2019 9:03:25 GMT -6
7th in league, I would assume the budget is also right around there. The staff has done a good job going and getting players from Chicago and close surrounding areas to come to Green Bay.
The guarantee games have increased and with that the money has increased, I am curious where that extra money goes? Does the Men’s program get any of it, or does it go into a general account to make up for the other sports?
I agree with gonix in above post that finishing in the top half of the league is an accomplishment, from what I hear in interviews it’s not for Linc
I mean UDM has “8”, yes I said “8” coaches on staff.
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Post by gonix on Jan 4, 2019 11:26:11 GMT -6
The budget is actually ranked lower 8th and the recruiting base ranked dead last at 10th. To my understanding they get to utilize some of the guarantee money to help balance their budget and the renaming amount goes to cover rest of athletics. The staff is not allowed to buy any home games with the guaranteed money! Why that is is, I have no idea!
Increased enrollment at the University has absolutely noting to do with Athletics, especially the budgets! If that was the case then men's basketball should have to play less guarantees instead of more! They must do a tremendous job fundraising when you can't even pay $30,000 to fix your online broadcast before the season starts!
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Post by uscg2012 on Jan 4, 2019 11:53:34 GMT -6
Electronic Parts don’t grow on trees.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 4, 2019 12:05:51 GMT -6
I think this job is better than 7th but not top 3.
MEG had a different view on the money than the new AD does. I sense five buy games next year but the men's hoops spending has increased as the buy games have so it's not all going to the department.
The video equipment was used in the fall, likely for soccer. It was unexpected that it didn't work at the Resch. You could argue they should test it first, lesson learned.
Students pay segregated fees to athletics. Let's say its $200/yr (I doubt it is that high) and the enrollment goes up by 500 the department gets $100,000 more. That helps but it's not going to change that much. Enrollment needs to grow by 10,000 to meet the rest of the league for this to really matter.
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Post by gonix on Jan 6, 2019 20:47:34 GMT -6
Correct! Electronic Parts don't grow on trees! Never said they did, but I'm sure it would have helped!
Feeling that the job is better than 7th, maybe. But the facts don't support that, reality is that UWGB job is in the bottom 1/3) Recruiting area 10th (Last) Buy Games (8th, might as well be last, because they are not allowed to buy any, cost too much money, instead make them play more) Budget (8th, enough said) Facilities (4th, maybe, but I feel thats a little high
Agree that cost will increase, that part goes up every year. If you want a top 1/2 of the league program then the fundraising efforts will need to increase instead of adding more buy games that have a pretty good chance of leading to an (L)
What would really help the budget is if Wisconsin and Marquette would play GB in the pay games. Instead they want to play the Savannah St (going D3, next year) & North Dakota, among a few others!! Instead GB has to fly across country to get paid, extra cost, huge difference. Someone needs to get with the Wisconsin State Journal and call them out on it! They should be keeping some of that Money in state!
Off UWGB website: * Non allocable segregated fee provides funding for Kress Center, Union, Athletics, Health, Student Life, Dean of Students, Phoenix Pep Band, Alcohol Education, and Municipal Services.
Looks like a lot of hands in the cookies jar for those fees, and the student gov't allocate those fees. It would not be a inconsistent dollar amount to bank on for any programs budget to increase. I'm sure it would be a good resume builder for some one's fundraising success
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Post by fangb on Jan 7, 2019 8:05:07 GMT -6
GB Phoenix1 thanks for the insight please share any difference between MEG and Charles as far as fundraising? I see more guarantee games $, awesome new screen in the Resch Center, new logo design, and updated equipment
Screen is awesome, logo is just ok(hope they didn’t pay to much for that), equipment was a must.
Wonder if the money was in the budget or if GB fundraised for that? Or possibly guarantee money was used for all three.
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Post by uscg2012 on Jan 7, 2019 8:28:54 GMT -6
I wonder if the Horizon League had any part in paying for the streaming system mishap?
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