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Post by jonnyindepere on Mar 14, 2015 14:06:50 GMT -6
Oliver Purnell has resigned from DePaul, per Jeff Goodman. I wouldn't bet on BW landing that job, but it will be interesting to see how things shake out.
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 14, 2015 16:21:11 GMT -6
At least the first domino in my dream scenario has fallen!
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 15, 2015 8:48:57 GMT -6
I like Brian as a person and I like the job he and the staff are doing in Green Bay. With that said I would be stunned if he ended up at DePaul. I understand why he would want that job. I understand why he might make the short list. I understand that our AD and their AD have a working relationship of some sort.
There are other guys who make just as much sense or who have resumes/name brands. If you are DePaul fans talking about Bobby Hurley, Bryce Drew, Steve Masiello, Rod Strickland, Tyrone Corbin or Ben Howland I doubt Brian Wardle is going to rally the fan base right away. I think Brian could do well there, I just don't see him winning the PR test. Oliver Purnell never won an NCAA tournament game. Brian hasn't coached in one. That is a tough hurdle to overcome for the fans who will be judging with their wallets.
Now if the job at Bradley opened up I could see Brian Wardle being a good fit. They have a good budget, are in the MVC, pay a bigger salary and are 2 to 3 hours away from Milwaukee, Chicago, Indianapolis and St Louis for recruiting purposes. That is a job that puts him further ahead personally now and gives him a chance to spring up to the next level. That is also a job where the fan base likely would approve of his hiring.
I don't see UIC or NIU (if open) being a good fit at their current salary and budgets. He would have to rebuild, wouldn't be making much more money than he does now and wouldn't have much more in resources than he does now to win with. Those schools may get him closer to home if that is important but I don't see those jobs taking him to the big time anytime soon.
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Post by can opener man on Mar 15, 2015 10:08:15 GMT -6
Is knightly fee insane ? Wanting to get rid of Wardell so bad Let's not count dick Bennett for a second and look at wat other coaches did at uwgb at the d1 level. Heideman took bennetts players back to the ncaa's. Never again after that does he appear in the ncaa's or nit. Kowalcyk takes us to the cbi and cit level but fails to get us to even one nit. Wardell. Just graduates his first recruiting class. Back to back 20 win seasons. Back to back nit. A level only one other coach at this school could surpass at the d1 level. And this genius knightly fee wants to get rid of him. Cmon man with this garbage. The nit tourney has proven in the past to help raise the prestige of a program in the eyes of the recruits. Sometimes u gotta be patient and let things progress. Also I didn't read ur dream scenario cuz u put too much garbage on here. If Wardell leaves. Barone is likely the next head coach. Why do u think they gave him a raise and promoted him to associate head coach. Get some practical knowledge of college basketball landscape I would hate to see Brian leave. But I would have trust in barone.
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 15, 2015 13:17:28 GMT -6
Is knightly fee insane ? Wanting to get rid of Wardell so bad Let's not count dick Bennett for a second and look at wat other coaches did at uwgb at the d1 level. Heideman took bennetts players back to the ncaa's. Never again after that does he appear in the ncaa's or nit. Kowalcyk takes us to the cbi and cit level but fails to get us to even one nit. Wardell. Just graduates his first recruiting class. Back to back 20 win seasons. Back to back nit. A level only one other coach at this school could surpass at the d1 level. And this genius knightly fee wants to get rid of him. Cmon man with this garbage. The nit tourney has proven in the past to help raise the prestige of a program in the eyes of the recruits. Sometimes u gotta be patient and let things progress. Also I didn't read ur dream scenario cuz u put too much garbage on here. If Wardell leaves. Barone is likely the next head coach. Why do u think they gave him a raise and promoted him to associate head coach. Get some practical knowledge of college basketball landscape I would hate to see Brian leave. But I would have trust in barone. Saying Wardle is a great coach is like saying Erik Spoelstra is a great coach. The only problem is Wardle still can't win anything with the talent he has. Mediocrity is not something that should be applauded. You can talk up all the twenty win seasons you want but when you play in a conference like ours, 20 wins isn't that hard to come by when you play the YSUs and Wright States of the world twice per season. The fact of the matter is Wardle obviously cannot win the big game, plain and simple. When you have two NBA players on your team, the NCAA tournament should be more than attainable in four god damn years, but no. It crushes me more to see teams like Georgia State get into the tourney today even though we split with them. What is the difference between the two teams? A coach of course! Ron Hunter is an actual coach, Wardle is a timid micromanager who coaches teams out of games. Get someone who has had actual success in Wardle's role and I guarantee this team would be more successful. Once again, the NIT is NOT success.
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 15, 2015 14:09:11 GMT -6
Is knightly fee insane ? Wanting to get rid of Wardell so bad Let's not count dick Bennett for a second and look at wat other coaches did at uwgb at the d1 level. Heideman took bennetts players back to the ncaa's. Never again after that does he appear in the ncaa's or nit. Kowalcyk takes us to the cbi and cit level but fails to get us to even one nit. Wardell. Just graduates his first recruiting class. Back to back 20 win seasons. Back to back nit. A level only one other coach at this school could surpass at the d1 level. And this genius knightly fee wants to get rid of him. Cmon man with this garbage. The nit tourney has proven in the past to help raise the prestige of a program in the eyes of the recruits. Sometimes u gotta be patient and let things progress. Also I didn't read ur dream scenario cuz u put too much garbage on here. If Wardell leaves. Barone is likely the next head coach. Why do u think they gave him a raise and promoted him to associate head coach. Get some practical knowledge of college basketball landscape I would hate to see Brian leave. But I would have trust in barone. Saying Wardle is a great coach is like saying Erik Spoelstra is a great coach. The only problem is Wardle still can't win anything with the talent he has. Mediocrity is not something that should be applauded. You can talk up all the twenty win seasons you want but when you play in a conference like ours, 20 wins isn't that hard to come by when you play the YSUs and Wright States of the world twice per season. The fact of the matter is Wardle obviously cannot win the big game, plain and simple. When you have two NBA players on your team, the NCAA tournament should be more than attainable in four god damn years, but no. It crushes me more to see teams like Georgia State get into the tourney today even though we split with them. What is the difference between the two teams? A coach of course! Ron Hunter is an actual coach, Wardle is a timid micromanager who coaches teams out of games. Get someone who has had actual success in Wardle's role and I guarantee this team would be more successful. Once again, the NIT is NOT success. The Georgia State game in Green Bay was a big game. Wardle made all the adjustments needed to bring his team back and blow out Hunters team. Georgia State made the big dance because their conference didn't have a 2nd team the caliber of Valpo.
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Post by can opener man on Mar 15, 2015 14:34:13 GMT -6
Never said he was great knightly. Just said outside Bennett , no one else accomplished what Wardell did, would be a mistake to run the guy out of town after five season. You don't get it. With the budget he has access too, two top 60 rpi finishes and two nit is not a bad thing. You act like alec brown and Keifer Sykes were just handed to him, his staff and him went out recruited them and helped develop them. He's been here five years only. Barone is more likely to take over after he leaves than ur make believe option anyways.
You just don't get mid major basketball do you.
Valpo has way more history and prestige, higher budget, and better players, better coach. You can't compare valpo to Georgia southern
Again u don't know mid major college basketball.
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Post by can opener man on Mar 15, 2015 14:55:23 GMT -6
We hired a young inexperienced coach who can recruit real good. The downside is allowing him time to develop as an X's and O's guy. Just saying you prolly won't keep a complete package coach at the mid major level unless u got a big budget like Gonzaga or witch it's state. It's the guys fifth year. Once he leaves barone is likely the next head coach
You don't can a guy at the mid major level for going to back to back nit's
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 15, 2015 15:41:34 GMT -6
A question for Knight and Ram or anyone else for that matter. Should Murray State fire Steve Prohm? Why or why not?
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Post by ramsfan920 on Mar 15, 2015 15:51:35 GMT -6
He made the ncaa tourney bid first year on the job and he also hasn't had a keifer Skyes or an alec brown when he didn't make it did he? Canon was long gone
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Post by ramsfan920 on Mar 15, 2015 15:53:46 GMT -6
I'm not saying it's smart for gb to can Wardle but I do hope He leaves because I know his ceiling. A guy like grestzk I could see him staying here forever even if he makes the big dance
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 15, 2015 15:58:40 GMT -6
He made the ncaa tourney bid first year on the job and he also hasn't had a keifer Skyes or an alec brown when he didn't make it did he? Canon was long gone Exactly, more tourney appearances = more success. Hell, the selection show is just beginning and I think they have a decent case to make it back as an at-large this year. There is simply no comparing him to Wardle
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 15, 2015 16:07:33 GMT -6
He made the ncaa tourney bid first year on the job and he also hasn't had a keifer Skyes or an alec brown when he didn't make it did he? Canon was long gone en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Canaanen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_ProhmFact check. Isaiah Canaan was drafted in 2013. He played two seasons for Prohm, the first was the year they danced and lost to Marquette in the second round, the second they didn't dance. In Prohm's second and third years MSU didn't make the dance and most likely won't this year. If they do and GB didn't last year that is a load of BS. I share because sustained success is important and in a one bid league it is hard to dance. I don't see anyone calling for Prohm's head, quite the opposite. I don't know if Wardle is as good, better or worse. I just know that one guy is acclaimed to be a rising star despite not dancing with an senior and second round NBA pick and the other guy has people trying to run him out of town indicating a low ceiling. One guy took over a steady program, the other guy had to retool his to be in this position. A don't mind that you guys don't like Wardle, I just think you are blinded by what is going on. Offering lots in the way of criticism and little in solutions.
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 15, 2015 16:12:44 GMT -6
He made the ncaa tourney bid first year on the job and he also hasn't had a keifer Skyes or an alec brown when he didn't make it did he? Canon was long gone en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Canaanen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_ProhmFact check. Isaiah Canaan was drafted in 2013. He played two seasons for Prohm, the first was the year they danced and lost to Marquette in the second round, the second they didn't dance. In Prohm's second and third years MSU didn't make the dance and most likely won't this year. If they do and GB didn't last year that is a load of BS. I share because sustained success is important and in a one bid league it is hard to dance. I don't see anyone calling for Prohm's head, quite the opposite. I don't know if Wardle is as good, better or worse. I just know that one guy is acclaimed to be a rising star despite not dancing with an senior and second round NBA pick and the other guy has people trying to run him out of town indicating a low ceiling. One guy took over a steady program, the other guy had to retool his to be in this position. A don't mind that you guys don't like Wardle, I just think you are blinded by what is going on. Offering lots in the way of criticism and little in solutions. What is your definition of sustained success? A bunch of twenty win seasons coupled with a high RPI and yet 0 tourney appearances? Doesn't sound like success to me. I would rather go winless for two years, then make the tournament in the subsequent year if that's what it would take, rather than being good, only to get let down every March. As for a solution, I think I've made it pretty clear. We have an okay base to build on, so now is the best time for Wardle to get ousted so someone like Grezsk or whomever can put us over the hump that Wardle never could. It's delusional to think that in a league that is getting better, merely staying the course is going to deliver us a championship.
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Post by can opener man on Mar 15, 2015 16:55:17 GMT -6
We won the regular season championship last year
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