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Post by jonnyindepere on Nov 20, 2014 13:29:45 GMT -6
UW is loaded, from scouts I was able to talk to they said UW is the real deal our of all the teams that they've gone to see. They told me we'd be lucky to keep it under the spread, which I believe was set right around 15. So I kind of expected a beat down, but the way in which we lost really frustrated me. Something needs to be said about the lack of discipline of this team and the non-exsistint half court offense. After watching Fouse and Love I would have no idea that they are third year starters. Francis as multiple people have mentioned, is what looks to be the next "big thing" for UWGB. The kid is fearless and attacked the rim with the few opportunities he had, due to in my opinion a lack of passing from teammates. In every game there are going to be calls that go against your team that you don't agree with and we as fans are too often blind to bad fouls that go our way, against the opposing team. I thought the game was called fine, it's ridiculous to see Mays, Mckinnie, and Henry trying to go up and block every shot in the lane. Get yourself planted and get your hands up, there is no defensive discipline and I put that on the shoulders of BW. Yes, GB is athletic, but we we were playing the freaking Badgers, quit going up for a block every time, sure it'll work in the Horizon League and we will all be amazed by the balls sent in to the crowd, but the fact of the matter is, if we want to actually compete with high caliber teams then we need to play fundamentally sound defense. Last night was an embarrassment on the defensive end and there is no excuse for that. Sure, shots weren't falling and some nights that's just how it goes. However, why does it seem like there is no set plays ever being run? We have guys who are close to seven feet tall and we have them spotting up out by the three point line. We have guys to shoot if need be, we don't need air balls and bricks getting tossed up by our bigs. Hopefully this humbled the "Pho Slamma Jamma" and showed them what a hard working, fundamentally sound, cohesive unit looks like. Not a single guy did anything outside of Sykes and that to me is ridiculous, we have the most electrifying player in the nation on our team in which the opposing teams are focusing their entire defensive game plan around and we can't get another guy to step up. If it's a freshman that's going to be the second option then so be it, but our experienced players need to do a lot more. I'm glad it's over, on to the next one. Because as they say, the least important game, is your last one.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 21, 2014 20:49:21 GMT -6
I have had a chance to think about the game more and take things in. I was down on the guys for taking some bad shots and not rebounding the ball at all. Yet as they head to Florida and as the season moves along I think this team will continue to grow together. Guys are still learning to step up and replace Alec. They have some guys who are pretty tough and talented but still growing into their expanded roles. I would imagine we will look back on this game later in the year and think two things. One, the Badgers are really good. Two, guys like Love and Mays really improved in their role. Also, I don't blame the refs for the loss but watching the highlights you could just see the look in the eyes of the GB players wasn't a killer instinct. I think some guys may have been negatively impacted in their heads by the foul trouble. That toughness is something I believe they get back.
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 23, 2014 9:56:31 GMT -6
The Phoenix had this game circled on the calender for a long time, and I thought they looked like they played extremely tight. They knew they had to play perfect to win and played extremely hesitant trying to avoid mistakes. They missed wide open shots on the perimeter.
Wisconsin is an awesome team, they'll be #2 in the country next week. They'd have an excellent shot at the national championship in any other year, but this years Kentucky will be something to behold come March. How experienced is Wisconsin? When the Milwaukee Bucks play the lineup of Brandon Knight, Kris Middleton, Giannis Antentokounpo, Jabari Parker, and John Henson, a common and effective lineup that includes 3 -3rd year players, they are younger than the Badgers starting 5!!!
Nigel Hayes was amazing. He is the player Sam Dekker is hyped to be.
I had no problem with the Phoenix putting up wide open 3s early in the clock. It's not like if you work the clock UW is going to break down and give up an easy layup. The problem was simply with the misses.
Daeshon Francis continues to excite. Kenneth Lowe is off to a terrible start. He needs to realize his starting job hinges on his rebounding ability. Turner Botz continues to be a defensive liability. He didn't foul, but didn't contest shots either and was an easy tartget all night. Jordan Fouse is still a stud defender, we needed 3 of him in this game.
Disappointing, but it could be worse. We could have been the in-state teams that lost at home to IUPUI or Nebraska-Omaha this week.
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Post by jonnyindepere on Nov 23, 2014 13:46:26 GMT -6
The Phoenix had this game circled on the calender for a long time, and I thought they looked like they played extremely tight. They knew they had to play perfect to win and played extremely hesitant trying to avoid mistakes. They missed wide open shots on the perimeter. Wisconsin is an awesome team, they'll be #2 in the country next week. They'd have an excellent shot at the national championship in any other year, but this years Kentucky will be something to behold come March. How experienced is Wisconsin? When the Milwaukee Bucks play the lineup of Brandon Knight, Kris Middleton, Giannis Antentokounpo, Jabari Parker, and John Henson, a common and effective lineup that includes 3 -3rd year players, they are younger than the Badgers starting 5!!! Nigel Hayes was amazing. He is the player Sam Dekker is hyped to be. I had no problem with the Phoenix putting up wide open 3s early in the clock. It's not like if you work the clock UW is going to break down and give up an easy layup. The problem was simply with the misses. Daeshon Francis continues to excite. Kenneth Lowe is off to a terrible start. He needs to realize his starting job hinges on his rebounding ability. Turner Botz continues to be a defensive liability. He didn't foul, but didn't contest shots either and was an easy tartget all night. Jordan Fouse is still a stud defender, we needed 3 of him in this game. Disappointing, but it could be worse. We could have been the in-state teams that lost at home to IUPUI or Nebraska-Omaha this week. While I agree with everything you said about UW I take issue with a few of your statements regarding GB. Those early 3s would have been fine, if they were taken by our shooters. Fouse and Mays have never been outside shooters. I don't look at Love as being an outside shooter either, he's a backup point guard who for some reason is being put in a tough spot trying play shooting guard. Early 3s are fine, but let our shooters shoot them, and on this team there's really only two guys who I think should be able to take an early 3, Sykes and Botz. Francis is awesome, I agree with you, and I would love to see him start at the 2 guard, explosive and fearless. Lowe was matched up against a pre season All-American so let's just hold the horses here before we start talking about his starting job being revoked. The fact of the matter is, we don't have anyone who can start over him. All the bigs have been bad. Fouse is a stud defender, in the Horizon League. Dekker made him look silly, and understandably so, he's on another planet compared to Fouse. But elite defenders don't pick up a third foul with only a few minutes left in the first half, especially outside of the lane. That was brutal and another reason why Lowe was left out there without any help, he was only the guy who stayed on the freaking ground instead of trying to swat everything. Botz I agree is slow and sometimes almost looks lost on defense, like Fouse I would expect his defense to pick up during Horizon league play. His three point shot will be important, because this team is going to need at least one or two guys to be able to spread the defense with outside shooting.
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 23, 2014 14:35:06 GMT -6
The Phoenix had this game circled on the calender for a long time, and I thought they looked like they played extremely tight. They knew they had to play perfect to win and played extremely hesitant trying to avoid mistakes. They missed wide open shots on the perimeter. Wisconsin is an awesome team, they'll be #2 in the country next week. They'd have an excellent shot at the national championship in any other year, but this years Kentucky will be something to behold come March. How experienced is Wisconsin? When the Milwaukee Bucks play the lineup of Brandon Knight, Kris Middleton, Giannis Antentokounpo, Jabari Parker, and John Henson, a common and effective lineup that includes 3 -3rd year players, they are younger than the Badgers starting 5!!! Nigel Hayes was amazing. He is the player Sam Dekker is hyped to be. I had no problem with the Phoenix putting up wide open 3s early in the clock. It's not like if you work the clock UW is going to break down and give up an easy layup. The problem was simply with the misses. Daeshon Francis continues to excite. Kenneth Lowe is off to a terrible start. He needs to realize his starting job hinges on his rebounding ability. Turner Botz continues to be a defensive liability. He didn't foul, but didn't contest shots either and was an easy tartget all night. Jordan Fouse is still a stud defender, we needed 3 of him in this game. Disappointing, but it could be worse. We could have been the in-state teams that lost at home to IUPUI or Nebraska-Omaha this week. While I agree with everything you said about UW I take issue with a few of your statements regarding GB. Those early 3s would have been fine, if they were taken by our shooters. Fouse and Mays have never been outside shooters. I don't look at Love as being an outside shooter either, he's a backup point guard who for some reason is being put in a tough spot trying play shooting guard. Early 3s are fine, but let our shooters shoot them, and on this team there's really only two guys who I think should be able to take an early 3, Sykes and Botz. Francis is awesome, I agree with you, and I would love to see him start at the 2 guard, explosive and fearless. Lowe was matched up against a pre season All-American so let's just hold the horses here before we start talking about his starting job being revoked. The fact of the matter is, we don't have anyone who can start over him. All the bigs have been bad. Fouse is a stud defender, in the Horizon League. Dekker made him look silly, and understandably so, he's on another planet compared to Fouse. But elite defenders don't pick up a third foul with only a few minutes left in the first half, especially outside of the lane. That was brutal and another reason why Lowe was left out there without any help, he was only the guy who stayed on the freaking ground instead of trying to swat everything. Botz I agree is slow and sometimes almost looks lost on defense, like Fouse I would expect his defense to pick up during Horizon league play. His three point shot will be important, because this team is going to need at least one or two guys to be able to spread the defense with outside shooting. Mays was a positive 3 point shooter last, and has continued to work to improve in that area. Fouse hit 2 -3's in the opener. Carrington Love needs to raise his 3 point percentage about 5 points. That's certainly doable for someone with his work ethic. Players can improve their shooting. How many 3's did Nigel Hayes make last year? I'll answer that, 0. Dekker had the ball stolen or knocked away repeatedly by Fouse. Dekker's points came in transition, he struggled versus Fouse one on one. Dekker eventually scored some points within their offense when Fouse had to switch to Hayes to slow him down. Wisconsin went for the block every time too, and it worked. The real issue was letting UW get to the rim so often. The Badgers bigs just have a wide array of offensive skill. Their highly skilled and experienced former 4 star recruits.
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Post by jonnyindepere on Nov 23, 2014 15:18:03 GMT -6
Mays took 9 total 3s last year. He made 3 of them... I wouldn't consider that to be positive. Fouse hit 2 3s against a JV squad in Illinois-Springfield and Love, I agree needs to raise the percentage, but he shouldn't be trying to raise it against a team like UW, play within yourself and distribute the ball to the scorers, which is why he shouldn't be in the shooting guard position.
Dekker had one turnover all night, on the first possession of the night. After that it was consistent drives from the wing with a spin move and finish. If there was anything that was repetitive it was the fouls he drew on Fouse going to the rim
UW only has two guys who go for blocks. One is 7 feet tall and is the best player on the court every night, Kaminsky. The other is a blossoming potential All Big Ten player, Hayes. Everyone else stays down with their arms straight up. This is what Bo coaches, discipline by disrupting but not fouling.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Dec 10, 2014 22:29:32 GMT -6
Not that it makes our loss any better but UWM just lost by 39 points. If they play Marquette it could be 50 points. What I'm saying is UW is just that good and should be in the final 4 and has a chance to take home a NCAA Championship next March.
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Post by shooting the J on Dec 11, 2014 6:33:16 GMT -6
Not that it makes our loss any better but UWM just lost by 39 points. If they play Marquette it could be 50 points. What I'm saying is UW is just that good and should be in the final 4 and has a chance to take home a NCAA Championship next March. UWM didn't just lose by 39, they lost by 39 on their home floor, despite Bo subbing earlier and deeper than he ever does. UWM is seriously bad this year.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Dec 11, 2014 8:17:17 GMT -6
Not that it makes our loss any better but UWM just lost by 39 points. They Should have beat Marquette by 50 points except for the slow pace. What I'm saying is UW is just that good and should be in the final 4 and has a chance to take home a NCAA Championship next March. UWM didn't just lose by 39, they lost by 39 on their home floor, despite Bo subbing earlier and deeper than he ever does. UWM is seriously bad this year. That is true. We know it would be a close game with UW at GB. We should have won at home last time. On a home court we should be able to play with anyone. Even on the road ask Miami of FL. The main thing is playing defense. I see Evansville is getting some respect in the Mid-Major polls. Good because they are a good team.
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