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Post by thetulsawarrior on Oct 16, 2014 8:31:28 GMT -6
Is it Georgia State that is so well regarded in the mid-major polls? GB has a home and home with them this season. Two wins there and against one of the top D1's on the schedule would go a long way in helping the Nix cause.
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Post by shooting the J on Oct 16, 2014 10:25:37 GMT -6
In Wardles 1st year the Phoenix went 14-18. Was that a good year? That team had an RPI of 171. Wright State had an RPI of 173 last year. Filling up on a cupcake schedule doesn't impress me. A 173 RPI with a roster full of seniors in a coaches 4th year leading the program? Donlon hides his ineptitude with cream puff scheduling. Wright State fans have noticed, and attendance has shrunk. Their non- conference strength of schedule was 336th. They played teams like Houston Baptist. Easy to see how you were a huge Kowalczyk backer. He padded the schedule too, though not as bad as Donlon. At least Tod never had off the court problems like Donlon has. Tod recruited quality young men. Donlon is taking shortcuts and getting nowhere doing it. A lot of good that RPI did us last year, huh? At least Wright State has gotten to the championship game -- TWICE. Our fans just want a chance to go the tournament. A chance. We haven't had that in what, 15 years. Haven't even been to the championship game since the Heideman era. Every team in the conference has been the to tournament (except Youngstown) since the last time we went. And many of those teams have been multiple times. Heck, UIC has been 3 or 4 times since we went last. The conference and the conference tournament is what matters. Who cares about RPI if you can't get in. I really don't even understand your argument. What did making the tournament championship game and losing do for WSU? Unless you win it, the conference tournament is completely useless. Green Bays RPI put it in position to get an at large birth for the big dance. They ended up 1 win short. One more win at any point of the season and their RPI puts them in. Our fans don't want a CHANCE to go to the tournament, we want to actually go to the tournament. We want to win big games. We want to win big games in the tournament. Everybody knows this. What's your point? The program will field it's best team since Nordgaards senior year. A team that could potentially be the best team in program history. They'll have to do it on the court. Enjoy the ride!
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Post by Fanforever on Oct 17, 2014 10:01:13 GMT -6
I agree with Shooting the J in that I want the NCAA tourney and finishing anything but as the champion in the tourney is a lost season. We are not a multi bid league which is unfortunate, so the only way to control your destiny is to win. This is probably the deepest team we have had here, so again for me it is tourney or bust.
The team has high expectations and so do I.
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Post by shooting the J on Oct 18, 2014 7:48:33 GMT -6
A twitter report surfaced of another Wright State player arrested. That's the 7th since Billy Donlon took over as head coach there.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Oct 18, 2014 17:52:42 GMT -6
I am a little late to the game but here are my preseason predictions.
1. Cleveland State: I think they could have the best balance of experienced inside and outside play. 2. Green Bay: I would love to go higher but GB needs to have somebody step up to fill the shoes of Alec Brown. 3. Milwaukee: They have 3 nice pieces coming back in McWhorter, Tiby and Arians. I think that is enough to compete in what I think is kind of a soft version of the HL. 4. Valpo: They lose a lot but have some nice pieces that should grow in their games this year. 5. WSU: I don't know how deep they are as they lost a lot but they play a style that you can never count out. 6. Detroit: I think they have some nice pieces but they don't really play a team game. I think that will hold them back. 7. UIC: They were bad, lost some good pieces and have a weak coach. Yet I think they did what UIC does, reload with a few transfers to stay somewhat competitive. 8. Oakland: They have some pieces but they don't play a HL style and the guys they are going to rely on to fill shoes don't seem as good as the guys they lost. 9. YSU: They weren't good and lost their best players by far. This has to be the end of the road for Slocum right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 19:21:09 GMT -6
A lot of good that RPI did us last year, huh? At least Wright State has gotten to the championship game -- TWICE. Our fans just want a chance to go the tournament. A chance. We haven't had that in what, 15 years. Haven't even been to the championship game since the Heideman era. Every team in the conference has been the to tournament (except Youngstown) since the last time we went. And many of those teams have been multiple times. Heck, UIC has been 3 or 4 times since we went last. The conference and the conference tournament is what matters. Who cares about RPI if you can't get in. I really don't even understand your argument. What did making the tournament championship game and losing do for WSU? Unless you win it, the conference tournament is completely useless. Green Bays RPI put it in position to get an at large birth for the big dance. They ended up 1 win short. One more win at any point of the season and their RPI puts them in. Our fans don't want a CHANCE to go to the tournament, we want to actually go to the tournament. We want to win big games. We want to win big games in the tournament. Everybody knows this. What's your point? The program will field it's best team since Nordgaards senior year. A team that could potentially be the best team in program history. They'll have to do it on the court. Enjoy the ride! What's not to understand?!? The best way to get into the NCAA is win the conference tournament. You can't win the conference tournament if YOU'RE NOT IN THE DANG CHAMPIONSHIP GAME! Maybe you're too young to remember what it was like for those championship games in 1991 and 1998 at Brown County Arena. Those were wild nights, even though we lost to Butler in 1998, there was a real buzz around it. Now, it's blah. Who cares about RPI? You're not getting an at-large bid out of this league right now, unless you go undefeated or have maybe 1 loss in conference play AND get to the championship game.
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Post by shooting the J on Oct 18, 2014 21:10:42 GMT -6
I really don't even understand your argument. What did making the tournament championship game and losing do for WSU? Unless you win it, the conference tournament is completely useless. Green Bays RPI put it in position to get an at large birth for the big dance. They ended up 1 win short. One more win at any point of the season and their RPI puts them in. Our fans don't want a CHANCE to go to the tournament, we want to actually go to the tournament. We want to win big games. We want to win big games in the tournament. Everybody knows this. What's your point? The program will field it's best team since Nordgaards senior year. A team that could potentially be the best team in program history. They'll have to do it on the court. Enjoy the ride! What's not to understand?!? The best way to get into the NCAA is win the conference tournament. You can't win the conference tournament if YOU'RE NOT IN THE DANG CHAMPIONSHIP GAME! Maybe you're too young to remember what it was like for those championship games in 1991 and 1998 at Brown County Arena. Those were wild nights, even though we lost to Butler in 1998, there was a real buzz around it. Now, it's blah. Who cares about RPI? You're not getting an at-large bid out of this league right now, unless you go undefeated or have maybe 1 loss in conference play AND get to the championship game. Total bull. GB was 1 win short a year ago, without winning a game in the tournament. GB would have been in easy had they held on against Wisconsin. Conferences aren't awarded NCAA at large bids, teams are. Middle Tennessee St got an at-large bid 2 years ago. How? RPI. Is the Sun Belt a 2 bid league? No, but it received 2 bids that year. GB needed 1 less loss to boost is RPI. People who understand the game understand the role RPI plays. I was around since Dick Bennett started. Yes making the tournament was awesome. So was beating Virginia last year, Marquette 2 years ago, and beating Valpo last year in front of a huge crowd for the conference championship. Are you really saying Wright State had a more exciting season because they made the tourney championship? No way. They lost, so making it there meant nothing. They had no buzz because they simply weren't a good team. Their season was hopeless from the beginning when they lost to lowly North Carolina Central. Also, you're clueless if you can't hear the buzz around this team right now. They're in the national media on a weekly basis. They'll be once again competing for an at-large bid. I hope they get one wrapped up and make the conference tournament irrelevant. Nobody cares one bit about who lost the tournament champioship. Simply getting to the games accomplishes nothing, and has no bearing on future success. RPI is a measuring device for programs. A season like WSU had last year is a bad year for Green Bay. Green Bay is simply on a different level than them.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Oct 19, 2014 8:37:05 GMT -6
Missyhigh Why do you dislike GB mens Basketball so much or is it just the Coaches and players. You've made negative comments about Alec and his family over the last year+. I can't think of anything positive you've said about the team. From Wardle on down you've been negative? Last year we lost our 2 best players at the end of the season or we may have gotten an at large bid and or won the HL tourament. But the NCAA takes into account players health when choosing and Alec was still hurt and Keifer was on one leg. I went to GB when it was a 2 year extension program on Deckner street do you remember that! So don't give me any crap about being to young to remember the GOOD OLD DAYS. I first started going to games regularly when John Bennet gave me his season tickets every year. He felt that he was a distraction for Dick and he loved his son to much to take anything away from him. Sometimes he would get tickets where Dick couldn't see him and I know he always watched them on TV. But my wife and I always had the court side seats were Dick could see us. So yes I've watched GB basketball for a while but not regularly until John got me into it. I've seen the good years and bad and these maybe some of the best. Dick and Brian have been the 2 best things that happened to men's GB basketball!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:57:30 GMT -6
What's not to understand?!? The best way to get into the NCAA is win the conference tournament. You can't win the conference tournament if YOU'RE NOT IN THE DANG CHAMPIONSHIP GAME! Maybe you're too young to remember what it was like for those championship games in 1991 and 1998 at Brown County Arena. Those were wild nights, even though we lost to Butler in 1998, there was a real buzz around it. Now, it's blah. Who cares about RPI? You're not getting an at-large bid out of this league right now, unless you go undefeated or have maybe 1 loss in conference play AND get to the championship game. Total bull. GB was 1 win short a year ago, without winning a game in the tournament. GB would have been in easy had they held on against Wisconsin. Conferences aren't awarded NCAA at large bids, teams are. Middle Tennessee St got an at-large bid 2 years ago. How? RPI. Is the Sun Belt a 2 bid league? No, but it received 2 bids that year. GB needed 1 less loss to boost is RPI. People who understand the game understand the role RPI plays. I was around since Dick Bennett started. Yes making the tournament was awesome. So was beating Virginia last year, Marquette 2 years ago, and beating Valpo last year in front of a huge crowd for the conference championship. Are you really saying Wright State had a more exciting season because they made the tourney championship? No way. They lost, so making it there meant nothing. They had no buzz because they simply weren't a good team. Their season was hopeless from the beginning when they lost to lowly North Carolina Central. Also, you're clueless if you can't hear the buzz around this team right now. They're in the national media on a weekly basis. They'll be once again competing for an at-large bid. I hope they get one wrapped up and make the conference tournament irrelevant. Nobody cares one bit about who lost the tournament champioship. Simply getting to the games accomplishes nothing, and has no bearing on future success. RPI is a measuring device for programs. A season like WSU had last year is a bad year for Green Bay. Green Bay is simply on a different level than them. I disagree. I think there's nothing more exciting than playing one knowing that if you win it, you're going to the NCAA Tournament. That's where the buzz comes in.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Oct 20, 2014 13:30:43 GMT -6
Everyone wanted to win the Championship game last year, but when your starting center is hurt playing at 60% and your best backcourt player can't run because of a ankle injury your chances turn to 0%. That's why I smile when I read the predictions on this years rotation. Also that's why I refuse to make a prediction. I'm sure most had Mckinnie penciled in to start last year and we know how much he played due to injuries. As with any sport playing time will vary from week to week because of fouls and injuries. Our goal for this year is to go to the Dance but if we have injuries like last year we would need a reserve to step up BIG. I don't think you can blame the players, depth is always a big problem at this level. As for Coaching you can, but as a Mid-Major it's rare to get a team with the depth we have this year. The reason we have the depth is the Coaches. Will that mean a Championship, I sure hope so. We'll know in March.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 21:22:44 GMT -6
Everyone wanted to win the Championship game last year, but when your starting center is hurt playing at 60% and your best backcourt player can't run because of a hamstring tear your chances turn to 0%. That's why I smile when I read the predictions on this years rotation. Also that's why I refuse to make a prediction. I'm sure most had Mckinnie penciled in to start last year and we know how much he played due to injuries. As with any sport playing time will vary from week to week because of fouls and injuries. Our goal for this year is to go to the Dance but if we have injuries like last year we would need a reserve to step up BIG. I don't think you can blame the players, depth is always a big problem at this level. As for Coaching you can, but as a Mid-Major it's rare to get a team with the depth we have this year. The reason we have the depth is the Coaches. Will that mean a Championship, I sure hope so. We'll know in March. And I bet you were the same guys that killed Kowalczyk when Terry Evans got hurt and couldn't play in the conference tournament the year they lost to Cleveland State in the semifinals. You'll are a bunch of hypocrites.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Oct 21, 2014 12:00:14 GMT -6
We'll never know how Coach K's legacy would have been in GB. He did a great job of turning around GB's and Toledo's down programs. I certainly don't blame him for taking a job that paid him double what he was being paid. Also Coach W's legacy is incomplete at this time but everything points to a bright future. Hopefully it will be with GB. I could talk about all the great years under Coach Buss but that was D2 and a history lesson. We can all habor feelings about the past and wish Dick or Todd were still here, but we have to move on to the here and now.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Oct 21, 2014 16:50:40 GMT -6
Kowalczyk did do a good job turning things around at GB and Toledo. His biggest mistake was not being Dick Bennett. He could also have used some help on the PR front. I think he's learned that one and might be in line for one of those million dollar contracts at his next school. Wardle was able to build on what Kowalczyk started. Neither man has been able to grab "the" brass ring coming painfully close. Wardle and his staff have done the best job of recruiting in school history. Overall they have had better individual talent up and down the roster than even Bennett's best teams. And that is the operative word "team." Bennett did more with less than any coach in D1 ball.
Kowalczyk and Wardle are works in progress. Bennett came to Green Bay fully developed as a coach.
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Post by fansincebuss on Oct 21, 2014 19:31:26 GMT -6
Kowalczyk did do a good job turning things around at GB and Toledo. His biggest mistake was not being Dick Bennett. He could also have used some help on the PR front. I think he's learned that one and might be in line for one of those million dollar contracts at his next school. Wardle was able to build on what Kowalczyk started. Neither man has been able to grab "the" brass ring coming painfully close. Wardle and his staff have done the best job of recruiting in school history. Overall they have had better individual talent up and down the roster than even Bennett's best teams. And that is the operative word "team." Bennett did more with less than any coach in D1 ball. Kowalczyk and Wardle are works in progress. Bennett came to Green Bay fully developed as a coach. Agreed! I for one never was critical of Kowalczyk or Wardle. (Other than Kowalczyk taking his recruits with him) If I am not mistaken the Green Bay men have had six coaches in their history. For the most part, I was pleased with four of them. I will not attempt to rank them as each faced different challenges.
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Post by parkerj on Oct 22, 2014 22:14:41 GMT -6
Is it Georgia State that is so well regarded in the mid-major polls? GB has a home and home with them this season. Two wins there and against one of the top D1's on the schedule would go a long way in helping the Nix cause. Yes, though the second home game might not be as much of an RPI boost...Head Coach Ron Hunter's son is an NBA prospect and might not stick around for his senior year if GSU can make some noise this year
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