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Post by PantherU on Mar 28, 2014 11:50:37 GMT -6
It would be nice to get some presidents and Chancellors who have some balls to kick out YSU. The Big East kicked out Temple. There is precedent.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Jan 5, 2015 16:18:28 GMT -6
I posted this on the Horizon League message board but I figured I'd post it here too: Cleveland State's athletic director apparently mentioned 4 possible schools for expansion recently: Belmont, Northern Kentucky, Murray State, and Lipscomb. Do we have any other examples of a president or AD actually name possible expansion candidates? From this link: The Horizon League Expansion Speculation
Prior to the start of the Cleveland State-Virginia Commonwealth game, CSU athletic director John Parry discussed potential expansion of the Horizon League with radio play-by-play announcer Al Pawlowski. When talking about this, fans of any Horizon League school cross their and hope that they don’t hear a glut of initials (read: IUPUI or IPFW).
Instead, Parry mentioned four schools as possible entries. The first was one already familiar to some in the Horizon League – Belmont. The Bruins already are a conference member in soccer and have agreed to play conference schools in a number of other sports. The idea of becoming a full-time league member would be considered the next natural step.
The second school, Northern Kentucky, has also been discussed in certain circles as well. At the moment, the Norse are sitting in the way station of Division I, the Atlantic Sun Conference, and is in the third year of their transition from Division II. However, since NKU won’t be a full D1 school until July 2016, the Horizon League may hold off until then. Once they clear that hurdle, the Norse have the facilities and access to the Cincinnati media market the conference has been looking for.
Murray State was also mentioned as a potential addition. The Racers could be looking for a competition upgrade from the Ohio Valley Conference the same as Belmont may be. Their omission from the post-season during the 2012-13 season despite 21 wins and making it to the OVC tournament finals.
Of the four teams mentioned by Parry, perhaps the inclusion of Lipscomb was the biggest head-scratcher. The Bisons have not had the type of success that either Belmont or Murray State has, nor have they set the world on fire in the Atlantic Sun. The only explanation would be to find a travel partner from the cross-town Bruins, should they be invited to the Horizon League.
Expansion couldn’t happen fast enough in the eyes of both fans and conference schools alike. The departures of both Butler and, most recent, Loyola-Chicago left scheduling gaps that usually ended up becoming meaningless non-Division I contests.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 6, 2015 6:44:34 GMT -6
I don't think there is a fan in the league that wouldn't want to add Murray State and Belmont. I think adding NKU to give a partner to WSU while adding some exposure to Cincy would be a better 12th member than Lipscomb. However, I would understand if Murray St and Belmont wanted to add Lipscomb to have another school that is closer to them for traveling.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Feb 25, 2015 16:34:25 GMT -6
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Post by ramsfan920 on Mar 15, 2015 9:28:01 GMT -6
Did anyone else see the horzion league wanted to do a double elimination tourney this year but it was shot down? They still are working it though. That would probably protect the top seeds and eliminate byes.
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Post by can opener man on Mar 15, 2015 10:29:17 GMT -6
With nine teams in the conference how does double elimination take away byes. Do they have a triple threat game ??
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Post by phearthephoenix on Mar 15, 2015 20:54:12 GMT -6
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Post by ramsfan920 on Mar 15, 2015 21:06:58 GMT -6
Why is adding youngstown considered disastrous? I know they suck pretty much every year but it's not like they lose by 30 points every game or go winless. They at least compete against other teams in conference
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Post by gbbrl97 on Mar 16, 2015 7:15:11 GMT -6
I would love to have NKU, Belmont or either Murray St./Lipscomb, but Murray State has a D1-FCS program in football. I could see that keeping them in the OVC. Lipscomb makes sense in terms of a travel partner for Belmont, but their RPI, historically, has been in the high 200's. Getting a Belmont/Murray State would be the best for the HL's conference RPI.
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 16, 2015 11:25:18 GMT -6
I guess I'm all for good competition, but as a Phoenix fan, I have to look at how adding a Belmont or Murray State will benefit me. In a Horizon League that is consistently improving, adding two juggernauts like these two teams is probably only going to set us back. You saw what Belmont did to us last year, and Murray State is arguably better. Instead of worrying about running through Valpo, Cleveland State, Oakland and I'll even throw Detroit in there, adding Belmont and Murray State to the mix all but ensures that we won't even sniff the tournament in the next decade or longer. I don't care about conference RPI, all that matters for is an at-large bid that would realistically never come to the league. We had a good RPI the last two years and look where that got us, not in the tournament. I would rather be in the shittiest conference and roll through every year and make it to the tournament with numerous question marks, rather than use everything in the tank just to make the conference championship game and then when we make the tournament for the first time in 4 decades, get hammered because everyone is burnt out. Potential recruits would recognize this too and would shy away from us and look towards the upper echelon of the conference, which certainly wouldn't be us with this expansion.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Mar 16, 2015 16:18:15 GMT -6
I guess I'm all for good competition, but as a Phoenix fan, I have to look at how adding a Belmont or Murray State will benefit me. In a Horizon League that is consistently improving, adding two juggernauts like these two teams is probably only going to set us back. You saw what Belmont did to us last year, and Murray State is arguably better. Instead of worrying about running through Valpo, Cleveland State, Oakland and I'll even throw Detroit in there, adding Belmont and Murray State to the mix all but ensures that we won't even sniff the tournament in the next decade or longer. I don't care about conference RPI, all that matters for is an at-large bid that would realistically never come to the league. We had a good RPI the last two years and look where that got us, not in the tournament. I would rather be in the shittiest conference and roll through every year and make it to the tournament with numerous question marks, rather than use everything in the tank just to make the conference championship game and then when we make the tournament for the first time in 4 decades, get hammered because everyone is burnt out. Potential recruits would recognize this too and would shy away from us and look towards the upper echelon of the conference, which certainly wouldn't be us with this expansion. I think the WAC would love to have us. We could play Chicago State, UMKC and teams from all corners of the map and probably make the NCAA's 3-4 times a decade. We would also probably draw half the fans for many games, have no true rival, and pay a fortune to send our volleyball team to Edinburgh TX for a match. Throw in no sort of TV contract and that sounds like a promising future with upcoming budget cuts. All kidding aside the Horizon League hopefully can get back to being a top 12 conference with some additions and keep GB in the upper echelon of mid major basketball.
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Mar 16, 2015 18:37:56 GMT -6
Why can't the league just stay as is? It already has shown self sustaining growth, so why make it harder on everyone? Murray State would roll over us and the champ every year would be either Valpo, Belmont or them. Doesn't seem that great to decrease the parity of the conference and make it more of a one horse show than it already is starting to become. Adding Belmont, from Nashville if I'm not mistaken, is quite the expansion from just the Midwest. I think we've got something good going already, adding more teams is going to ruin it. Next thing you know, Tennessee won't be far enough of an expanse then people are gonna start wanting to add Georgia State and their likes. After all it would be great for our meaningless RPI right?
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Post by ramsfan920 on Mar 16, 2015 19:19:52 GMT -6
Add teams like chicago st that we can beat and have similar budgets to us.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Mar 16, 2015 19:51:20 GMT -6
Add teams like chicago st that we can beat and have similar budgets to us. But they do not have similar budgets to 2/3 of our league and haven't had a winning basketball team in decades
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Post by ramsfan920 on Mar 16, 2015 20:18:13 GMT -6
Better than scheduling minnesota Duluth and Mary every year.
At least it's a Divison 1 game and they would get better recruits playing in this conference.
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