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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 11:22:35 GMT -6
Be the change you want to see.
Being a so called "fanboy" is a way better place to be than being some crabby asshole on social media.
MEG has been gone for five years. Holding on to what she did or didn't do is not going to get the program to where all of those fans want to see it get to.
The team isn't great, I'm not blind. You know what you are missing? The few fans that are left actually willed them into being close at the half in the last two games. Wether it's a coaching change, a roster redo or both people can choose to multiply that energy or they can choose to sit on social media and keep complaining about the past. You really think complaining about the past is a more viable way for those complaining to get the future they want? More viable than bringing energy towards the program? You get what you give.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 11:29:51 GMT -6
Oh and yes the university should absolutely spend more money on this program.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 22, 2023 11:58:51 GMT -6
Be the change you want to see. Being a so called "fanboy" is a way better place to be than being some crabby asshole on social media. MEG has been gone for five years. Holding on to what she did or didn't do is not going to get the program to where all of those fans want to see it get to. The team isn't great, I'm not blind. You know what you are missing? The few fans that are left actually willed them into being close at the half in the last two games. Wether it's a coaching change, a roster redo or both people can choose to multiply that energy or they can choose to sit on social media and keep complaining about the past. You really think complaining about the past is a more viable way for those complaining to get the future they want? More viable than bringing energy towards the program? You get what you give. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 12:18:51 GMT -6
Be the change you want to see. Being a so called "fanboy" is a way better place to be than being some crabby asshole on social media. MEG has been gone for five years. Holding on to what she did or didn't do is not going to get the program to where all of those fans want to see it get to. The team isn't great, I'm not blind. You know what you are missing? The few fans that are left actually willed them into being close at the half in the last two games. Wether it's a coaching change, a roster redo or both people can choose to multiply that energy or they can choose to sit on social media and keep complaining about the past. You really think complaining about the past is a more viable way for those complaining to get the future they want? More viable than bringing energy towards the program? You get what you give. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. They have an AD with a proven pedigree for hiring winners and building community engagement. They hired a chancellor that actively works to promote all aspects of the university including athletics. They seem likely to be spending a bunch of money to hire a new basketball coach. What past has the university not learned from? The only ones in the past are the fans that are primarily contributing through anger about the past.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 22, 2023 12:59:48 GMT -6
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. They have an AD with a proven pedigree for hiring winners and building community engagement. They hired a chancellor that actively works to promote all aspects of the university including athletics. They seem likely to be spending a bunch of money to hire a new basketball coach. What past has the university not learned from? The only ones in the past are the fans that are primarily contributing through anger about the past. You mean the chancellor who let Guthrie spend $720,000 to fire Darner and then hire the current regime? He has a lot of ground to make up. The jury is still out on the current AD. He has his hands full through no fault of his own. The past has led to today. This season did not happen in a vacuum. The rot has been ongoing for years. People have had enough. To not be angry about all of it would be disingenuous. If you want to whistle Zippety Doo Dah in the meantime, then do you.
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Post by fansincebuss on Jan 22, 2023 13:55:27 GMT -6
They have an AD with a proven pedigree for hiring winners and building community engagement. They hired a chancellor that actively works to promote all aspects of the university including athletics. They seem likely to be spending a bunch of money to hire a new basketball coach. What past has the university not learned from? The only ones in the past are the fans that are primarily contributing through anger about the past. You mean the chancellor who let Guthrie spend $720,000 to fire Darner and then hire the current regime? He has a lot of ground to make up. The jury is still out on the current AD. He has his hands full through no fault of his own. The past has led to today. This season did not happen in a vacuum. The rot has been ongoing for years. People have had enough. To not be angry about all of it would be disingenuous. If you want to whistle Zippety Doo Dah in the meantime, then do you. The chancellor made a mistake backing Guthrie in what appeared to be a power struggle. In hindsight, it turned out to be a huge mistake. It was almost like Guthrie knew he would be leaving in decided to take a parting shot. Although that would certainly not be a good career move. The best they can do now is to rectify the situation.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 14:02:44 GMT -6
A new AD, a new coach and with a new coach will come new players isn't enough change?
I'm not singing zippity anything. There won't be anything else to change. What else do you think they should do? If changing everything isn't enough then nothing will be. Your responses are proving my point. Some people are never going to be satisfied no matter what they do.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 22, 2023 14:08:35 GMT -6
A new AD, a new coach and with a new coach will come new players isn't enough change? I'm not singing zippity anything. There won't be anything else to change. What else do you think they should do? If changing everything isn't enough then nothing will be. Your responses are proving my point. Some people are never going to be satisfied no matter what they do. I've been saying what they should do. It requires more than changing faces. The stuffed shirts needs to act like they want to be in Division I and support it as an institution accordingly. Until that happens it can't be a mystery as to why the community won't support it when the school doesn't.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 14:20:49 GMT -6
A new AD, a new coach and with a new coach will come new players isn't enough change? I'm not singing zippity anything. There won't be anything else to change. What else do you think they should do? If changing everything isn't enough then nothing will be. Your responses are proving my point. Some people are never going to be satisfied no matter what they do. I've been saying what they should do. It requires more than changing faces. The stuffed shirts needs to act like they want to be in Division I and support it as an institution accordingly. Until that happens it can't be a mystery as to why the community won't support it when the school doesn't. Not one person in that Facebook thread truly understands much of the business aspect of this. Do you think most of those people really knows what it takes financially to hire a coach with a pedigree or put together a schedule they can actually compete against? They want a new coach. They are likely going to get one. That is a half million dollar commitment from the stuffed shirts. More importantly it is giving the people what they are asking for. The least those people can do is support the next coach and not just stroke keys full of negativity. I didn't call out all of Green Bay, just the ones that are out there talking about how embarrassing this is and are asking for a change.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 22, 2023 14:55:53 GMT -6
I've been saying what they should do. It requires more than changing faces. The stuffed shirts needs to act like they want to be in Division I and support it as an institution accordingly. Until that happens it can't be a mystery as to why the community won't support it when the school doesn't. Not one person in that Facebook thread truly understands much of the business aspect of this. Do you think most of those people really knows what it takes financially to hire a coach with a pedigree or put together a schedule they can actually compete against? They want a new coach. They are likely going to get one. That is a half million dollar commitment from the stuffed shirts. More importantly it is giving the people what they are asking for. The least those people can do is support the next coach and not just stroke keys full of negativity. I didn't call out all of Green Bay, just the ones that are out there talking about how embarrassing this is and are asking for a change. Many of those posting are the people who will come back if they get it right. They wouldn't post if they didn't care on some level. I doubt they actively look for the forum to post in so they must follow the team page. That said Facebook is a sewer, which is why I'm not on it.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 18:30:57 GMT -6
Those people coming back if they get it right is the ultimate college hoops chicken and the egg scenario.
How can they get it right if the people that are expressing interest or concern still won't show up if a new coach is hired? To sustain a level of recruiting that it takes to win at a high level, having a good game atmosphere and supportive social media are good starting points.
I get that the general public and casual fan will need to see success first. The people posting on that sewer aren't the casuals. These people have selected themselves as more than casual. These people are supposed to be part of the base that is needed. If those people get the change they seek, they have to help form the foundation. You can't build a strong structure that will last without a foundation.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 22, 2023 19:14:46 GMT -6
Those people coming back if they get it right is the ultimate college hoops chicken and the egg scenario. How can they get it right if the people that are expressing interest or concern still won't show up if a new coach is hired? To sustain a level of recruiting that it takes to win at a high level, having a good game atmosphere and supportive social media are good starting points. I get that the general public and casual fan will need to see success first. The people posting on that sewer aren't the casuals. These people have selected themselves as more than casual. These people are supposed to be part of the base that is needed. If those people get the change they seek, they have to help form the foundation. You can't build a strong structure that will last without a foundation. Support the program properly and make a good hire and it will take care of itself. The players who will get it started will have a belief in the coach first, not how many people are in the seats.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 19:39:50 GMT -6
Why do you want to promote making it harder than it has to be?
Show me a good mid major that doesn't have fan support. UIC invested in firing a coach, paying 500k for a replacement, spent the money to move up to the MVC and have all of the facilities needed. Do you know what they don't have? Support from the general public.
Even UWM nailed their off season. They barely draw better than GB with a first place team. Is that a recipe to keep Lundy around??
If those people care enough to put a coach on blast then they better care enough to show up when they get what they want. If they can't do that they should give their keyboard a rest.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 22, 2023 20:10:58 GMT -6
Why do you want to promote making it harder than it has to be? Show me a good mid major that doesn't have fan support. UIC invested in firing a coach, paying 500k for a replacement, spent the money to move up to the MVC and have all of the facilities needed. Do you know what they don't have? Support from the general public. Even UWM nailed their off season. They barely draw better than GB with a first place team. Is that a recipe to keep Lundy around?? If those people care enough to put a coach on blast then they better care enough to show up when they get what they want. If they can't do that they should give their keyboard a rest. You do realize that UIC is in Chicago and UWM is in Milwaukee, right? Lots to do in those places and they aren't the No. 1 college hoops attractions in town. UIC isn't even No. 2 or No. 3. Hardly an apt comparison. Over on the UWM board they were excited about a crowd of 2,500. That is a good place to start and is realistic for UWGB as well. 2,500 in the Kress would be a good atmosphere.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 21:06:42 GMT -6
The Milwaukee metro area is 5x GB. The Chicago area is 25x GB. These schools have enrollment that is 2x to 3x what GB has. They have living alumni that is 3x GB.
UWM had a 2000 person crowd in the box score for a Saturday night battle for first place half way through the season.
With large metro areas, large alumni bases, large student bodies and lots of momentum these schools are still struggling to engage 2500 people for a game. What sporting event was happening in Milwaukee last night that was an option for Milwaukee sports fans? None. UWM's hoops account actually tweeted that this week.
If the disengaged but not disconnected fans don't bother to come when there is a fresh start, nobody else will either. Nobody wants to be a part of something that is small time. Going to games and having a good atmosphere provides social validation for casual fans to go.
Milwaukee is first hand learning this right now. They have 5 or 6 home games left. They are just getting their base back. They needed their base in November. By the time they build any major momentum at the gate the season is going to be over and Lundy is going to have a new job.
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