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Post by cuchillo on Jan 22, 2023 10:10:36 GMT -6
If the university stuffed shirts don't open the wallet and pay in the neighborhood of what UWM is paying Lundy ($325,000), then it isn't going to matter who they hire.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 10:39:59 GMT -6
I just don't think there is much difference between successful division two and division three coaches. Anyway, I just think they need to get someone who is proven to be a winner somewhere. D3 coaches recruit kids out of their local area. Higher levels with scholarships recruit from a wider area and from a different set of travel aau teams. Those relationships matter. D3 coaches also aren't coaching against some of the best and brightest coaches in the country. Everyone is upset that the current GB coach wasn't experienced enough. Yet we are going to hear people float Kent Dernbach and other guys that haven't had to match wits with guys at the level of Nagy, Horn or Lundy. Give me a break.
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Post by gbguy on Jan 22, 2023 10:46:01 GMT -6
The best coach in GB's history was a D3 coach. So was Bo Ryan. No one is floating the likes of Kent Dernbach, but high level D3 coaches have worked before.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 22, 2023 11:02:17 GMT -6
The best coach in GB's history was a D3 coach. So was Bo Ryan. No one is floating the likes of Kent Dernbach, but high level D3 coaches have worked before. 30 years ago when it was just basketball sure. We live in the NIL/Portal/Social Media/AAU world now. You need to have a coach that can manage a lot more than just the action on the court. Dick Bennett himself has said he wouldn't be as successful in today's era.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Jan 22, 2023 11:48:15 GMT -6
There is so much we do not know about the behind the scenes dynamic playing out, but it is clear things are not progressing. There is a fundamental disconnect.
It is important to understand the implications and impact of your comments on social media. It’s not just about wins and losses, it is about peoples lives and their families. I’ve come to the conclusion that some major changes are necessary with the Green Bay men’s basketball program. What that entails will be painful for those directly connected to the team. During this time fans need to show compassion for the human and very personal impact of the changes. In the end, moving on will be healthier for everyone. Letting the bleeding continue will serve no one who has invested in the program.
With a new direction those on social media need to make a commitment to respect those whose lives are being impacted. Those people should also invest more than just posts on social media.
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Post by bayballer on Jan 24, 2023 13:38:09 GMT -6
As other people have said, we cannot go the D2/D3 route with a coach again. I’d love to see them find an assistant on a mid major D1 team that’s had a lot of recent success. We need someone who knows how to put together a winning team at a school with similar resources to Green Bay. I don’t really have many candidates in mind at the moment, but the one I’d be most interested in off the top of my head is Jimmie Foster. I believe he was a candidate for the last coaching search, but he’s been under a successful coach in Wardle for so many years, and has literally been apart of bringing the most successful era of basketball to Green Bay in recent history. The hard part now is trying to convince decent coaching candidates to take over a team that is in such bad shape though. Excited to see how this plays out.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Jan 24, 2023 13:47:33 GMT -6
As other people have said, we cannot go the D2/D3 route with a coach again. I’d love to see them find an assistant on a mid major D1 team that’s had a lot of recent success. We need someone who knows how to put together a winning team at a school with similar resources to Green Bay. I don’t really have many candidates in mind at the moment, but the one I’d be most interested in off the top of my head is Jimmie Foster. I believe he was a candidate for the last coaching search, but he’s been under a successful coach in Wardle for so many years, and has literally been apart of bringing the most successful era of basketball to Green Bay in recent history. The hard part now is trying to convince decent coaching candidates to take over a team that is in such bad shape though. Excited to see how this plays out. There have been several successful D2 coaches recently that have transitioned well to D1. Keyword here is successful- not a coach with one .500 season at that level. Hire the best coach for the job and one that will be able to attract players from the transfer portal.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Jan 24, 2023 14:02:49 GMT -6
When UWGB's first ever basketball coach was hired a guy named Vince Lombardi interviewed the candidates. He opted for an assistant coach at West Virginia Tech. I'd lean heavily on the president of the Packers to have a hand in screening candidates. Mike Murphy was a college AD (Colgate and Northwestern) and has more real world experience than UWGB will find anyplace else. My personal preference would be someone with strong Wisconsin ties and a history of coaching up talent. Being a super salesman would be nice too.
We don't know who will stay and who will go among the players and recruits. The instant transfer eligibility rule will cut both ways, so having at least one holdover assistant coach would help.
Something to think about -- for the asking at one time or another the Nix could have brought in Tony Bennett, Greg Gard, or Porter Moser -- among others.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 24, 2023 14:11:16 GMT -6
The best I can tell many of the people involved in hiring Will Ryan aren't that active with the program anymore. Mark Murphy is one of those people.
I don't know who they will hire but I know using the same formula from before isn't going to get the job done.
D2 winner or D1 experience is a good starting point. I think GB lands on their feet, I actually have a lot of faith in the AD to make a good hire.
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Post by kmell822 on Jan 24, 2023 15:13:37 GMT -6
If the university stuffed shirts don't open the wallet and pay in the neighborhood of what UWM is paying Lundy ($325,000), then it isn't going to matter who they hire. Agreed, it is going to be a tough sell to get a coach to come to GB.
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Post by uscg2012 on Jan 24, 2023 16:50:21 GMT -6
If the university stuffed shirts don't open the wallet and pay in the neighborhood of what UWM is paying Lundy ($325,000), then it isn't going to matter who they hire. Agreed, it is going to be a tough sell to get a coach to come to GB. [br Somethings tells me that we are all going to be quite surprised on how much we are going to spend. We already have hired a search firm something we didn’t do and we’re willing to buy out another coach too. The Administration is going all in on the basketball program because they know how important it is for the greater success of the university as a whole. “Continue to Rise”
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Jan 24, 2023 18:14:29 GMT -6
The biggest curveball hire I've ever covered was the University of Tulsa picking a JUCO coach from a small town in west Texas. Nolan Richardson's team had just won the National Junior College championship. He brought five of his players with him and they won the NIT in Richardson's first season, after that it was regular appearances in the NCAA Tournament. FYI, he had ten years as a high school head coach and three as a JUCO head coach. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Richardson
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Post by buckyred03 on Jan 24, 2023 18:23:17 GMT -6
JR Blount - top assistant for Otzelberger at Iowa State. He has won at every place he’s been (Drake, Colorado State, Iowa State). A Milwaukee native that starred at Whitefish Bay Dominican and Loyola Chicago. Very well respected in coaching and recruiting circles and has great connections in Milwaukee and Chicago areas. He’s young, energetic, and a big up-and-comer. UWGB should get on him now before it’s too late.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Jan 24, 2023 20:23:16 GMT -6
So UWM fan here, definitely need someone whose a proven winner. My Local D3 coach of choice was Matt Lewis out of UW-0 dude can straight up coach hoops, now does he want the headache of D1 im not sure, but thats a call I feel you have to make.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 24, 2023 20:41:03 GMT -6
So UWM fan here, definitely need someone whose a proven winner. My Local D3 coach of choice was Matt Lewis out of UW-0 dude can straight up coach hoops, now does he want the headache of D1 im not sure, but thats a call I feel you have to make. No.
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