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Post by jzenk42 on Feb 27, 2021 11:42:35 GMT -6
It is going to be a really interesting offseason
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Feb 27, 2021 11:53:04 GMT -6
Damontae has always been a guy that we knew needed development time. I believe the only shot he took hit the side of the backboard.
Jacob didn't look happy to be behind some walk on players on the depth chart.
I hope they find a home that can develop them and show off what they can do. Unfortunately it was clear pretty early that home wouldn't be near the frozen tundra.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Feb 27, 2021 12:05:23 GMT -6
Is it? I mean maybe a decade from now once this “program” is built up, but it’s not good when your two top scorers transfer, especially when Amari said he was gonna stick it out after last years turmoil. The near future doesn’t look good at all. This team, if PJ leaves, has maybe two D1 caliber players. The next few years are going to hurt, there is absolutely no way to sugar coat it. Have to wonder how much would’ve changed if we still had Linc. You all knew my feelings about hiring Will, and unfortunately, things are off to an awful start. Yeah, it’s one year in the most unusual season ever, but there is basically no foundation. Always next year gets tiring at some point. Such silliness. The entire roster will be D1 caliber players. Ansong will be competing for all-conference honors. No one in the conference has a better recruiting class. Everyone in the conference will lose major transfers. Green Bay will play high quality, fundamental basketball. At some point you have to take the blinders off. This blind optimism that “everything will work out just because we have Will at the helm” doesn’t necessarily match reality. I’d love for it to be the case, but things aren’t exactly trending up right now. Did we play “high quality fundamental basketball” this year, in your estimation? If not, why not? If so, why did that only lead to 8 wins? This isn’t “such silliness,” it’s interrogating what is going on, what is going right, and what is going wrong. Being a fan should necessitate more than just blind optimism.
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Post by fansincebuss on Feb 27, 2021 12:17:20 GMT -6
I agree no reason for blind optimism, but there is reason for cautious optimism.
It will be interesting to see if the Phoenix take advantage of transfers in.
I think this additional year of eligibility will hurt the chances of 2021 and 2022 high school players which may mean the pool of available talent for Green Bay may actually be a bit higher quality.
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Post by shooting the J on Feb 27, 2021 12:28:29 GMT -6
Such silliness. The entire roster will be D1 caliber players. Ansong will be competing for all-conference honors. No one in the conference has a better recruiting class. Everyone in the conference will lose major transfers. Green Bay will play high quality, fundamental basketball. At some point you have to take the blinders off. This blind optimism that “everything will work out just because we have Will at the helm” doesn’t necessarily match reality. I’d love for it to be the case, but things aren’t exactly trending up right now. Did we play “high quality fundamental basketball” this year, in your estimation? If not, why not? If so, why did that only lead to 8 wins? This isn’t “such silliness,” it’s interrogating what is going on, what is going right, and what is going wrong. Being a fan should necessitate more than just blind optimism. Having to start from ground zero to teach fundamental basketball and a defensive system was a challenge, with less games and no D3s to pad the win totals.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Feb 27, 2021 14:22:51 GMT -6
I don't have blind optimism. The Green Bay program has always been able to bring in talented players, I have no reason to believe that won't continue. Especially since this coaching staff mopped up on the high school recruiting in a very short time last summer. Additionally I see the current version of GB hoops as having a system that is easier to find players for, in particular given the natural recruiting territory of the program.
As for what has happened so far, losing Amari is the only thing that hurts.
Josh is a guy who was asked not to return to Illinois State, a program that is known by MVC fans to have no standards for on and off court issues told him see ya later. Then tried to leave GB last year. He finally gets on the court at GB and he turns out to be the co-worker who calls in sick right before his shift starts and then when he is there doesn't really do what he is asked. His hierarchy is: 1. Josh scores a lot and team wins 2. Josh scores a lot and team loses 3. Josh doesn't score a lot and team wins 4. Josh doesn't score a lot and team loses I am not broken up by his departure one bit.
As for the other two guys they couldn't even beat out walk on players for playing time. They might be something in the future and I hope they are but damn if people are worried about winning right now those dudes aren't going to help.
Between injuries, transfers working in late and dudes who were flat out not good enough this team was behind the ball to start. Yet they represented themselves well in 20 of the 21 HL games they played. Keeping the guys who want to be in GB and are willing and able to do the things that are necessary plus bringing in guys Will & Co. think are additive is the best recipe to quickly attaining sustained success for GB.
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Post by tsissicran on Feb 27, 2021 15:45:21 GMT -6
I don't have blind optimism. The Green Bay program has always been able to bring in talented players, I have no reason to believe that won't continue. Especially since this coaching staff mopped up on the high school recruiting in a very short time last summer. Additionally I see the current version of GB hoops as having a system that is easier to find players for, in particular given the natural recruiting territory of the program. As for what has happened so far, losing Amari is the only thing that hurts. Josh is a guy who was asked not to return to Illinois State, a program that is known by MVC fans to have no standards for on and off court issues told him see ya later. Then tried to leave GB last year. He finally gets on the court at GB and he turns out to be the co-worker who calls in sick right before his shift starts and then when he is there doesn't really do what he is asked. His hierarchy is: 1. Josh scores a lot and team wins 2. Josh scores a lot and team loses 3. Josh doesn't score a lot and team wins 4. Josh doesn't score a lot and team loses I am not broken up by his departure one bit. As for the other two guys they couldn't even beat out walk on players for playing time. They might be something in the future and I hope they are but damn if people are worried about winning right now those dudes aren't going to help. Between injuries, transfers working in late and dudes who were flat out not good enough this team was behind the ball to start. Yet they represented themselves well in 20 of the 21 HL games they played. Keeping the guys who want to be in GB and are willing and able to do the things that are necessary plus bringing in guys Will & Co. think are additive is the best recipe to quickly attaining sustained success for GB. I have read this numerous time and I am still in disbelief at what you have written. What is this talk of Josh calling in sick before work? Thought he was injured? Your statement and the information you shared concerning Illinois State make it sound like you either know someone or you work in the athletic office. If so how unprofessional of you to share that info. Apparently the old staff was unable to recruit based on your additional comments so I am not sure how this team managed to win 8 games with players who were flat out not good enough. Your comments were totally uncalled for.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Feb 27, 2021 16:12:03 GMT -6
Bottom line, it's time to move on, wish all well, and focus on the players and recruits who want to be part of the program. Last spring the administration made a decision to go in another direction with the men's basketball program and at the same time, we were beginning one of the biggest real-world challenges in a century. (pandemic) The players and coaches dealt with obstacles -- athletically, academically, and personally. Heck, even the NCAA said everyone gets a free year after this season. I'll buy into that. I'm waiting patiently for the roster picture to settle in and look forward to re-assessing the Ryan Era as we go forward.
As to the players from the Darner years, my only disappointment was an inability to recruit many local and high school players. No knock against the JUCO recruits or out of staters, I just think you build more interest with a coach who commits to being part of the community and coaches, staff, and players who would know how to spell and pronounce Ashwaubenon.
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on Feb 27, 2021 16:45:44 GMT -6
I don't have blind optimism. The Green Bay program has always been able to bring in talented players, I have no reason to believe that won't continue. Especially since this coaching staff mopped up on the high school recruiting in a very short time last summer. Additionally I see the current version of GB hoops as having a system that is easier to find players for, in particular given the natural recruiting territory of the program. As for what has happened so far, losing Amari is the only thing that hurts. Josh is a guy who was asked not to return to Illinois State, a program that is known by MVC fans to have no standards for on and off court issues told him see ya later. Then tried to leave GB last year. He finally gets on the court at GB and he turns out to be the co-worker who calls in sick right before his shift starts and then when he is there doesn't really do what he is asked. His hierarchy is: 1. Josh scores a lot and team wins 2. Josh scores a lot and team loses 3. Josh doesn't score a lot and team wins 4. Josh doesn't score a lot and team loses I am not broken up by his departure one bit. As for the other two guys they couldn't even beat out walk on players for playing time. They might be something in the future and I hope they are but damn if people are worried about winning right now those dudes aren't going to help. Between injuries, transfers working in late and dudes who were flat out not good enough this team was behind the ball to start. Yet they represented themselves well in 20 of the 21 HL games they played. Keeping the guys who want to be in GB and are willing and able to do the things that are necessary plus bringing in guys Will & Co. think are additive is the best recipe to quickly attaining sustained success for GB. I agree losing Amari is the only real loss so far but you brush it aside like it’s nothing. With him the next two years they would be in top half of conference. Now they are going to be pure butt checks the next two years. I will give Ryan 3 more years to turn this around before hitting the panic button. But these next two years are going to suck without Amari.
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Post by uscg2012 on Feb 27, 2021 17:02:47 GMT -6
I don't have blind optimism. The Green Bay program has always been able to bring in talented players, I have no reason to believe that won't continue. Especially since this coaching staff mopped up on the high school recruiting in a very short time last summer. Additionally I see the current version of GB hoops as having a system that is easier to find players for, in particular given the natural recruiting territory of the program. As for what has happened so far, losing Amari is the only thing that hurts. Josh is a guy who was asked not to return to Illinois State, a program that is known by MVC fans to have no standards for on and off court issues told him see ya later. Then tried to leave GB last year. He finally gets on the court at GB and he turns out to be the co-worker who calls in sick right before his shift starts and then when he is there doesn't really do what he is asked. His hierarchy is: 1. Josh scores a lot and team wins 2. Josh scores a lot and team loses 3. Josh doesn't score a lot and team wins 4. Josh doesn't score a lot and team loses I am not broken up by his departure one bit. As for the other two guys they couldn't even beat out walk on players for playing time. They might be something in the future and I hope they are but damn if people are worried about winning right now those dudes aren't going to help. Between injuries, transfers working in late and dudes who were flat out not good enough this team was behind the ball to start. Yet they represented themselves well in 20 of the 21 HL games they played. Keeping the guys who want to be in GB and are willing and able to do the things that are necessary plus bringing in guys Will & Co. think are additive is the best recipe to quickly attaining sustained success for GB. I agree losing Amari is the only real loss so far but you brush it aside like it’s nothing. With him the next two years they would be in top half of conference. Now they are going to be pure butt checks the next two years. I will give Ryan 3 more years to turn this around before hitting the panic button. But these next two years are going to suck without Amari. Cool, top half of the conference. If that’s all we strived for Linc would still have job. No way will we be “butt cheeks” the next two years. Amari was good but he wasn’t that good. Let’s let this off season shake out first before we rush to judgements.
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Post by tsissicran on Feb 27, 2021 17:26:52 GMT -6
I agree losing Amari is the only real loss so far but you brush it aside like it’s nothing. With him the next two years they would be in top half of conference. Now they are going to be pure butt checks the next two years. I will give Ryan 3 more years to turn this around before hitting the panic button. But these next two years are going to suck without Amari. Cool, top half of the conference. If that’s all we strived for Linc would still have job. No way will we be “butt cheeks” the next two years. Amari was good but he wasn’t that good. Let’s let this off season shake out first before we rush to judgements. Amari wasn't that good?? First time in Green Bay history freshman of the year award. He was on pace to score between 2500-3000 points in his career and be the all time leading scorer at Green Bay. Pretty big loss but I understand people will say anything to make it seem differently.
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Post by uscg2012 on Feb 27, 2021 17:33:03 GMT -6
Cool, top half of the conference. If that’s all we strived for Linc would still have job. No way will we be “butt cheeks” the next two years. Amari was good but he wasn’t that good. Let’s let this off season shake out first before we rush to judgements. Amari wasn't that good?? First time in Green Bay history freshman of the year award. He was on pace to score between 2500-3000 points in his career and be the all time leading scorer at Green Bay. Pretty big loss but I understand people will say anything to make it seem differently. Every stat you just listed was an individual stat. Last time I checked basketball was a team sport. Now I’m not saying Amari wasn’t a team player because we all know he was but he’s most definitely replaceable. Maybe not by one guy but as a combination of players. Yeah it’s possible.
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on Feb 27, 2021 17:51:07 GMT -6
I agree losing Amari is the only real loss so far but you brush it aside like it’s nothing. With him the next two years they would be in top half of conference. Now they are going to be pure butt checks the next two years. I will give Ryan 3 more years to turn this around before hitting the panic button. But these next two years are going to suck without Amari. Cool, top half of the conference. If that’s all we strived for Linc would still have job. No way will we be “butt cheeks” the next two years. Amari was good but he wasn’t that good. Let’s let this off season shake out first before we rush to judgements. I hated 3-4th place finishes as much as anyone trust me but this team isn’t on Wright Sts level yet. Davis had them in the convo for a first round bye the next few years. He’s a game changing player. It wouldn’t surprise me if he went to a high major and starts. He is that good offensively. And he’s got 3 years left. My point was without Davis they aren’t going to be good. Will be worse than this year. If all of Ryan’s recruits hit, they will be really good in 3 years. Until then yikes.
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Post by kmell822 on Feb 27, 2021 18:13:00 GMT -6
Cool, top half of the conference. If that’s all we strived for Linc would still have job. No way will we be “butt cheeks” the next two years. Amari was good but he wasn’t that good. Let’s let this off season shake out first before we rush to judgements. I hated 3-4th place finishes as much as anyone trust me but this team isn’t on Wright Sts level yet. Davis had them in the convo for a first round bye the next few years. He’s a game changing player. It wouldn’t surprise me if he went to a high major and starts. He is that good offensively. And he’s got 3 years left. My point was without Davis they aren’t going to be good. Will be worse than this year. If all of Ryan’s recruits hit, they will be really good in 3 years. Until then yikes. unfortunately I think you hit the nail on the head. I will say things look better than they did at the end of Dick Bennetts first year.
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Post by shooting the J on Feb 27, 2021 18:19:49 GMT -6
Cool, top half of the conference. If that’s all we strived for Linc would still have job. No way will we be “butt cheeks” the next two years. Amari was good but he wasn’t that good. Let’s let this off season shake out first before we rush to judgements. Amari wasn't that good?? First time in Green Bay history freshman of the year award. He was on pace to score between 2500-3000 points in his career and be the all time leading scorer at Green Bay. Pretty big loss but I understand people will say anything to make it seem differently. Amari was a great player, one of many at Green Bay. First time freshman of the year because it's a new award. Trust, Tony Bennet would have gotten the award (among others), he was instantly dominant on his way to being an NBA draft pick and player. Amari scored big points in high possession games, Tony scored 20 a game in walk it up games. Green Bay will get more great players, always have, Ryan can recruit, and the in-state talent level is very high.
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