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Post by fightphoe93 on Dec 8, 2020 23:17:39 GMT -6
My expectations for this year are low due to all the roster turnover, but tonight's game vs. Marquette was only the 2nd game I've seen (1st was Wisconsin). Tonight looked like a significant step in the right direction. It gives me some hope that this system can work given some time and hard work.
Linc Darner's system, I always felt like Green Bay just wasn't quite the right place for it. I think if you want to play fast and loose, you better have very good athletes up and down the roster, something closer to what the 2013-2014 team was under Wardle. Linc brought in some pretty good athletes, but I think he needed a level even higher than he was bringing in to properly run that style. I think he could win big somewhere (he already proved that in D2) but I think Green Bay just wasn't a fit for that style.
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on Jan 18, 2021 17:51:41 GMT -6
Just thinking out loud here. Would it have made more sense to stick with Linc another year knowing there was a pandemic? Did GB really think they’d lose out on Will Ryan by waiting another year? It brings me back to agreeing with the firing but not the timing.
I don’t see Linc doing much better this year than what Ryan is. Maybe another win or two so far.
My concern is the excitement over hiring Ryan will be all but gone come next year after people see the final win loss record. I know at the time of the firing we thought there might be some fans this year but the administration was foolish to not consider the possibility there wouldn’t be.
I’m excited to see the talent Ryan is bringing in next year, but will it be enough to put butts in the seats?
This program is in a sad state right now. It has been for awhile. Somehow the message board activity on here is worse during a pandemic when people have nothing to do and nowhere to go than last year.
The media coverage the team got during Ryan’s hiring is just about gone now locally.
I just don’t like where this is going...
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 19, 2021 23:09:02 GMT -6
Just thinking out loud here. Would it have made more sense to stick with Linc another year knowing there was a pandemic? Did GB really think they’d lose out on Will Ryan by waiting another year? It brings me back to agreeing with the firing but not the timing. I don’t see Linc doing much better this year than what Ryan is. Maybe another win or two so far. My concern is the excitement over hiring Ryan will be all but gone come next year after people see the final win loss record. I know at the time of the firing we thought there might be some fans this year but the administration was foolish to not consider the possibility there wouldn’t be. I’m excited to see the talent Ryan is bringing in next year, but will it be enough to put butts in the seats? This program is in a sad state right now. It has been for awhile. Somehow the message board activity on here is worse during a pandemic when people have nothing to do and nowhere to go than last year. The media coverage the team got during Ryan’s hiring is just about gone now locally. I just don’t like where this is going... What I see is people keep jumping ahead to the end of the season instead of letting it play out. I wouldn't worry about the buzz around the program, and simply focus on the direction of the program. Ryan is building a program with the discipline to be a real winner.
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Post by tdef on Jan 19, 2021 23:23:52 GMT -6
Imagine if Hemphil and Ayers would be in a Green Bay uniform this year added to the returners, in addition to the league arguably being not as good as it has been in the last several years IMO our squad is at the top of the league.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 20, 2021 10:49:57 GMT -6
Progress has little to do with speed and a lot to do with direction.
If the program was going in the wrong direction in the view of decision makers then there was no time like the present to make the move.
The Cleveland Browns and Buffalo Bills have reminded me of one thing about media attention. The media will cover a hot thing no matter how far down they were before. So now it is on GB basketball coaches to make it a hot thing and the media will come back and give them more attention.
I know this. If you believe in a future that features 4 year, highly regarded kids from the state of Wisconsin the timing couldn't have been better. Will Ryan had more success recruiting that type of player in 3 months than Coach Darner did in 5 years. In fairness I don't know why that is and I can't verify that it will work until after it does.
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 20, 2021 20:03:41 GMT -6
Imagine if Hemphil and Ayers would be in a Green Bay uniform this year added to the returners, in addition to the league arguably being not as good as it has been in the last several years IMO our squad is at the top of the league. The league is down compared to the last few years? Based on? Also, part of Hemphill having success is because he's now coached by a competent coaching staff.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 21, 2021 6:49:10 GMT -6
Imagine if Hemphil and Ayers would be in a Green Bay uniform this year added to the returners, in addition to the league arguably being not as good as it has been in the last several years IMO our squad is at the top of the league. The league is down compared to the last few years? Based on? Also, part of Hemphill having success is because he's now coached by a competent coaching staff. The Horizon is currently 23rd out of 31 conferences in the NET rankings, one spot ahead of the Summit. It wasn't too many years ago the Horizon was up in the 10 to 12 range. It is not a good league right now. Especially when the first-place team lost to 6-6 Ohio by 55 points!
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 21, 2021 7:05:01 GMT -6
The league is down compared to the last few years? Based on? Also, part of Hemphill having success is because he's now coached by a competent coaching staff. The Horizon is currently 23rd out of 31 conferences in the NET rankings, one spot ahead of the Summit. It wasn't too many years ago the Horizon was up in the 10 to 12 range. It is not a good league right now. Especially when the first-place team lost to 6-6 Ohio by 55 points! Correct, but that doesn't make it worse than the last few years. Without a doubt it down from 10 years ago.
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Post by cuchillo on Jan 21, 2021 8:10:54 GMT -6
The Horizon is currently 23rd out of 31 conferences in the NET rankings, one spot ahead of the Summit. It wasn't too many years ago the Horizon was up in the 10 to 12 range. It is not a good league right now. Especially when the first-place team lost to 6-6 Ohio by 55 points! Correct, but that doesn't make it worse than the last few years. Without a doubt it down from 10 years ago. I am speculating that is what tdef was referring to when he said several instead of few.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Jan 21, 2021 8:57:20 GMT -6
Just thinking out loud here. Would it have made more sense to stick with Linc another year knowing there was a pandemic? Did GB really think they’d lose out on Will Ryan by waiting another year? It brings me back to agreeing with the firing but not the timing. I don’t see Linc doing much better this year than what Ryan is. Maybe another win or two so far. My concern is the excitement over hiring Ryan will be all but gone come next year after people see the final win loss record. I know at the time of the firing we thought there might be some fans this year but the administration was foolish to not consider the possibility there wouldn’t be. I’m excited to see the talent Ryan is bringing in next year, but will it be enough to put butts in the seats? This program is in a sad state right now. It has been for awhile. Somehow the message board activity on here is worse during a pandemic when people have nothing to do and nowhere to go than last year. The media coverage the team got during Ryan’s hiring is just about gone now locally. I just don’t like where this is going... I think you bring up a lot of valid concerns. Yes the timing of the decision to fire Linc was bizarre but like was mentioned before, if they knew that's what they were going to do there was no reason to wait another year. I doubt they had this in mind when making the change but with this season basically turning into a "free" year - a jacked up schedule, no fans allowed, players getting another season of eligibility, games getting cancelled, ect - it actually turned out to be the perfect time to start a rebuild of the program. The coaching staff gets to evaluate what they've got currently and what they need going forward, they are off to a fantastic start on the recruiting trail (on paper anyway), and they will have a full offseason program to keep working with the guys who will be coming back and getting new players up to speed on the system. They are using this "free" year to rebuild the foundation of the program and my expectation is that the difference from the start of this season to the start of next season - when things are back to normal hopefully - will be much better. Of course a lot of that depends on which players come back and what kind of caliber player is brought in as potential replacements too so it's not quite as simple as having the new system fully installed and expecting it to translate to wins. As far the buzz and lack of media attention, even in GB's best seasons they'd still be overshadowed by a deep Packers playoff run. The local media is understandably going to be all Packers all the time until their season is over. With that said I've still heard more local media outlets involved in the postgame press conferences than I can remember at least since 2015. I'd expect once football season is done there will be even more focus on the Phoenix, especially if they can get closer to .500 with March around the corner. I'd also note that for whatever reason sports consumption in general has been way down over the past year. Maybe it's the pandemic plus everything going on in the world but even the TV ratings for the NFL playoffs are down. That's a lot of excuses without mentioning the fact that the team's record isn't very good, which obviously doesn't help either. We've seen in the past few years GB start slow out of the gates and have a bit of a February surge so maybe that is in the cards again this season. Winning games would definitely help bring some of that buzz back but foundationally I like the way the program is heading even if the win/loss record during a pandemic season isn't great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 15:19:02 GMT -6
Imagine if Hemphil and Ayers would be in a Green Bay uniform this year added to the returners, in addition to the league arguably being not as good as it has been in the last several years IMO our squad is at the top of the league. The league is down compared to the last few years? Based on? Also, part of Hemphill having success is because he's now coached by a competent coaching staff. Just curious, what is your definition of a competent coaching staff?
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Post by Panther on Jan 21, 2021 17:34:02 GMT -6
Imagine if Hemphil and Ayers would be in a Green Bay uniform this year added to the returners, in addition to the league arguably being not as good as it has been in the last several years IMO our squad is at the top of the league. The league is down compared to the last few years? Based on? Also, part of Hemphill having success is because he's now coached by a competent coaching staff. How is that ? Drake has 4 or 5 seniors and Tank isn't doing anything he didn't do at Green Bay. Avg 14 and not making Free Throws or Jump shots. Surrounded by a lot of other Sr and 2 or 3 are friends from his AAU, high school and Juco days. He would have done the same thing in GB with either coach... Please stop it like, Drake coach is so much better...
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 21, 2021 22:49:29 GMT -6
The league is down compared to the last few years? Based on? Also, part of Hemphill having success is because he's now coached by a competent coaching staff. How is that ? Drake has 4 or 5 seniors and Tank isn't doing anything he didn't do at Green Bay. Avg 14 and not making Free Throws or Jump shots. Surrounded by a lot of other Sr and 2 or 3 are friends from his AAU, high school and Juco days. He would have done the same thing in GB with either coach... Please stop it like, Drake coach is so much better... Tanks advanced stats have dramatically improved. His PER has jumped from 15 to a super impressive 28. His True Shooting% is 61, up from 52. He's simply playing at a really high level.
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Post by tdef on Jan 22, 2021 7:13:34 GMT -6
Tank is playing and competing on all cylinders, 100% at a high level. His injury was obviously worse than anyone would have thought, the extra year rehabbing and strengthening proved most beneficial. IMO he would have helped put more “W”’s in the column with 2019/2020 season. Great to watch his success just wish it was in a GB uniform.
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Post by Panther on Jan 22, 2021 9:46:16 GMT -6
How is that ? Drake has 4 or 5 seniors and Tank isn't doing anything he didn't do at Green Bay. Avg 14 and not making Free Throws or Jump shots. Surrounded by a lot of other Sr and 2 or 3 are friends from his AAU, high school and Juco days. He would have done the same thing in GB with either coach... Please stop it like, Drake coach is so much better... Tanks advanced stats have dramatically improved. His PER has jumped from 15 to a super impressive 28. His True Shooting% is 61, up from 52. He's simply playing at a really high level. As he should but I don't equate that to a new coach... Tank is 5 or 6 years with Juco and a red shirt year... I would expect someone with a lot of playing time to improve each year. At 23, I'm sure he has matured as a player too. I love tank but I don't negate what he's doing to coaching as more to maturing, growing and having other mature and improving players with him... Just my thoughts... PS... Don't forget Tank is in GB record book for starting in the most games in a season 2 years ago... I would hope he playing better 2 years later.
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