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Post by thetulsawarrior on May 31, 2020 16:22:48 GMT -6
I think the best path would be giving Herbst the interim title with a chance for the permanent position.
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Post by 4dogkat on May 31, 2020 16:39:11 GMT -6
Why spend all that money to hire assistant? I guess it would be a scenario if Darner did something wrong( which they told us he didn’t). If they hired assistant, to me that would look a little fishy, on the assistants part. Darner and Herbst have been colleagues before Green Bay. Although how crazy this whole thing has been nothing would be surprising. Chancellor and AD don’t care about Darner and staff.
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Post by cuchillo on May 31, 2020 16:51:25 GMT -6
The next coach has to be willing to tweek his system to fit the players around him. Personally I think that Terrence Thomson would thrive in Gary's system the wat Jeff Norgard did and so would Amari Davis and he could coach up Will and make him the player I think that he could become. My question with any of the candidates is who they will bring in as assistant coaches and what is there plan to grow the program and put fans in the stands. I think that it would be intersting to take a poll and see who the fans choice would be. GG wouldn’t be in contention for any other D1 job in the country, so why should he be involved here? Not going to happen. The would set this program back five years. This is false. What is going to set the program back five years is the current mismanagement of the athletic program. Money is going to be a big issue until Darner's contract is paid in full, even if Dick Bennett came riding back in on a white horse.
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Post by cuchillo on May 31, 2020 16:56:38 GMT -6
Gary deserves every opportunity to be the next head coach at UWGB! He checks a lot of boxes and has had a lot of success at a program that isn't the first pick at recess of programs in the state. If he was at a higher profile school in wisconsin, he would be a slam dunk no brainier! He is anyways! He is the right person to rally all the troops of this program. If he isn't hired the ripple affect of this decision will be felt for years to come. Some smoothing over that will need to be done on a lot of fronts. Plus he will be easy for fans, alumni (with $), and people on campus to identify with! Gary passes the eye test, good looking, well spoken, character values and He bleeds Phoenix Green! Does anyone know if the AD or Coach Darner are doing the right thing for the assistant coaches? Compensation for them and their families in this time of need? If Gary isn't the next head coach they need to name Randall Herbst Interim for the year. With the NCAA not allowing any recruiting on campus or off-campus until Aug 1, none of the candidates have seen the players in this state up-close and personal as Coach Herbst. His track record shows that he has been able to bring some of the top talent in the state on campus for visits, but Linc didn't have that connection to wis kids to close the deal. With zero communication from the higher up administration! Lets hope they make one quality right decision for everyone evolved and do the right thing that people and alumni want. The "first pick at recess" comment for D3 recruits in state is spot-on. Yet Gary and SNC seem to do OK against the WIAC programs. Would those WIAC coaches do as well at SNC as Gary has? Tough to say but the answer could be surprising for some.
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Post by uscg2012 on May 31, 2020 17:17:35 GMT -6
GG wouldn’t be in contention for any other D1 job in the country, so why should he be involved here? Not going to happen. The would set this program back five years. This is false. What is going to set the program back five years is the current mismanagement of the athletic program. Money is going to be a big issue until Darner's contract is paid in full, even if Dick Bennett came riding back in on a white horse. GG isn’t going to get hired. Nope. No disrespect to him but this job is bigger than him.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 31, 2020 17:30:01 GMT -6
SNC may be at a disadvantage compared to wiac schools though I suspect their admissions and recruiting people would say otherwise with financial aid and graduating in 4 years. However, SNC is not at a disadvantage against the rest of the tiny small town schools they have whooped up on in their conference.
Either way those other coaches in wiac shouldn't be considered for this job either.
Gary has been turned down twice by two different athletic directors because his resume is thin for D1. That isn't to say he can't do the job but at some point he should have moved up and proved himself.
Scott Nagy and Darrin Horn have coached 2 different D1 teams to the NCAA tournament. Luke Yaklich is the architect of a defense that played for the D1 national title. GB isn't playing Knox and Ripon.
Also, D1 recruiting even at the mid major level has a lot of influence from travel AAU teams. Gary has landed 3 players in 14 years from Wisconsin Playground. Two of whom were from NE WI.
Gary might be a great hire but there are way more question marks on his ability to lead a D1 program than are being raised.
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Post by cuchillo on May 31, 2020 18:51:09 GMT -6
GB isn't playing Duke and Virginia either, unless they need a paycheck of course. The HL at present is about the same level in D1 the conference SNC plays plays in at D3. Yet SNC's conference ended up being a two-bid league this year. Unless the HL gets a whole lot better a 14 seed will be cause for joy. Otherwise even if GB wins the HL Tournament it could still end up playing on a Tuesday night in Dayton.
You also say his resume is thin for D1, yet you say in the very same sentence that he should have moved up and proven himself. Cheez...can't even maintain a consistent position within the same sentence. I'm not sure who you think GB will be able to hire for the money they are likely going to be offering, and the money they will likely be able to pay the assistant coaches. Considering they have a lot of cash to get off the books in the next 3-4 years I suspect the job won't be able to attract the people you think it will. Sometimes the assistant coaches money is even more important than the head coach's money.
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Post by uscg2012 on May 31, 2020 19:03:17 GMT -6
GB isn't playing Duke and Virginia either, unless they need a paycheck of course. The HL at present is about the same level in D1 the conference SNC plays plays in at D3. Yet SNC's conference ended up being a two-bid league this year. Unless the HL gets a whole lot better a 14 seed will be cause for joy. Otherwise even if GB wins the HL Tournament it could still end up playing on a Tuesday night in Dayton.
You also say his resume is thin for D1, yet you say in the very same sentence that he should have moved up and proven himself. Cheez...can't even maintain a consistent position within the same sentence. I'm not sure who you think GB will be able to hire for the money they are likely going to be offering, and the money they will likely be able to pay the assistant coaches. Considering they have a lot of cash to get off the books in the next 3-4 years I suspect the job won't be able to attract the people you think it will. Sometimes the assistant coaches money is even more important than the head coach's money. Sunday funday for this guy! Horizon league is at the same level as the same conference St. Norbert plays in at D3. I don’t even know what conference that is!!!!! My gosh this is absolutely getting stupid.
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Post by Heartbroken Phoenix Fan on May 31, 2020 19:10:14 GMT -6
The fact that Tank and Leon are moving on without waiting a few weeks leads me to believe it’s gonna be someone that preaches defense and is not an offensive minded coach.
I really want to see Jimmie Foster be given a chance. Hiring it’s first minority head coach might be a good PR move for a university that desperate needs it. They might also get a “hometown” discount from someone who’s been here before or if they let him know they will take care of him once Linc is off the books.
The timing of it was shit but the university had no other choice. The AD was the idiot that put the fourth place stipulation in Lincs contact that basically promoted mediocrity. Linc did exactly what his contract needed him to do every year. That is 100 percent on the AD and he should have been fired versus Linc but I am glad the university isn’t settling for mediocrity and is willing to correct a mistake. The timing of it is just dumb. I could care less about any sport but mens basketball at GB so if they have to cut and get rid of other sports in order to make ends meet I have no issues with it myself although I know a lot of others will.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 31, 2020 19:17:57 GMT -6
Gary couldn't have moved up to a wiac school? Gary couldn't have moved up to a D2 school?
Get real. Drew Diener went from low level NAIA to D2.
Gary's resume is thin for D1 it's not for other levels. I am not sure why he doesn't have to climb the ladder.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 31, 2020 19:21:24 GMT -6
Tank's JUCO coach is on the staff at Drake. He wasn't coming back no matter who coached GB.
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Post by cuchillo on May 31, 2020 19:30:04 GMT -6
GB isn't playing Duke and Virginia either, unless they need a paycheck of course. The HL at present is about the same level in D1 the conference SNC plays plays in at D3. Yet SNC's conference ended up being a two-bid league this year. Unless the HL gets a whole lot better a 14 seed will be cause for joy. Otherwise even if GB wins the HL Tournament it could still end up playing on a Tuesday night in Dayton.
You also say his resume is thin for D1, yet you say in the very same sentence that he should have moved up and proven himself. Cheez...can't even maintain a consistent position within the same sentence. I'm not sure who you think GB will be able to hire for the money they are likely going to be offering, and the money they will likely be able to pay the assistant coaches. Considering they have a lot of cash to get off the books in the next 3-4 years I suspect the job won't be able to attract the people you think it will. Sometimes the assistant coaches money is even more important than the head coach's money. Sunday funday for this guy! Horizon league is at the same level as the same conference St. Norbert plays in at D3. I don’t even know what conference that is!!!!! My gosh this is absolutely getting stupid. The HL is a low-major or at best a lower-tier mid-major conference. 23rd in RPI this year out of 32 conferences. It is a Division I afterthought. All the good programs have left.
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Post by 4dogkat on May 31, 2020 19:44:01 GMT -6
Tank's JUCO coach is on the staff at Drake. He wasn't coming back no matter who coached GB.
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Post by 4dogkat on May 31, 2020 19:45:49 GMT -6
I don’t agree with that, this offense was perfect for Tank and if Darner were still coaching TANK would be in Green Bay for his final season.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on May 31, 2020 20:23:54 GMT -6
I don’t agree with that, this offense was perfect for Tank and if Darner were still coaching TANK would be in Green Bay for his final season. Let me clarify. I was speaking in a post Darner being fired context. Yes, if Linc was here Tank would be here. Once Linc was out Tank was gone ASAP to a place that he trusts the coach to use him.
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