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Post by kricket755 on Dec 6, 2016 11:43:06 GMT -6
A repost from another thread, but I feel its important to share as this is a more coherent look at Sandy's eligibility than anything the MJS or the Marquette board is offering, credit to our friend, Kricket! 1) Exhausted 1 semester of Junior eligibility by playing 3 games this year Winter '16. Follows NCAA transfer guideline by sitting Spring '17 and Winter '17 to be eligible Winter '18 and all of '18-'19. '14/'15 Freshman-MU '15/'16 Soph-MU '16 winter-1st half junior MU '17 spring and '18 winter- NCAA mandated 1 year transfer window '18 spring- 2nd half Junior UWGB '18/'19- Senior UWG This abides by 5 years to play 4 and the full transfer window. 2) Files appeal to NCAA that 3 games played this year not count as full semester, thus giving him ability to be eligible for 2 full seasons of '17-'18 and '18-'19? I am not sure if this is the type of appeal you were referencing. I would guess the best case scenario would still force him to sit the 3 games to start next year to match the games he played at MU this year. '14/'15- Freshman MU '15/'16- Soph MU '16/'17- 1 year transfer window per NCAA appeal? Must miss first 3 games of '17/'18 season? '17/'18- Junior UWGB '18/'19- Senior UWGB This abides by 5 years to play 4 but the NCAA policy of any appearance is a full semester of eligibility used would have to be appealed. I like either of the scenarios you present, they both are very logical. Unfortunately the NCAA doesn't always use logic. From what I read the best case was sit out 1 1/2 year and get a full year of eligibility. Your first scenario makes perfect sense to me but is not how I interpret what has been written. Hopefully an appeal would result in at least 1 1/2 years of eligibility, I would regard 2 years as a bonus and I expect at least 1 year. Well, the 1st scenario is basically sitting out a 1 1/2 years since it gives a full semester played for the 3 games when in actuality, he left MU just a week or so into the season. The MJS described him playing 3 games as the NCAA viewing that as a whole season of eligibility used up, but for a player such as Cohen who had a redshirt available, I think the midseason transfer is fairly common.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 6, 2016 11:49:10 GMT -6
Also, thanks to whomever merged the threads, I have no idea how to do that
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 6, 2016 12:00:02 GMT -6
My basic understanding is that basketball happens to be played over the two semesters or three trimesters but that eligibility is for the entire 16-17 season.
So because he played the semester his full junior year is gone. When Luke Fischer came to MU he played a half season (freshman year first semester at IU), a half season (sophomore year second semester at MU) and now two full seasons at MU. He played 6 combined semesters but used 4 years of eligibility. When D'Angelo Jackson came to GB from Creighton he had been red shirting so in his three semesters at GB he played 1 semester which counted as his freshman year. He ended up playing college hoops for 7 semesters out of 10.
I see the scenario for Cohen being this: Play as a senior in second semester of 17/18. Play as a senior for the full 18/19 season. Receiving a waiver to consider the 3 games he did play at MU part of red shirt year and then play the second semester of 17/18 as a junior and the full 18/19 as a senior.
I think more Cohen is better. He is a great talent and GB is lucky to have him even if we have to wait awhile to see him play. I am happy he is coming to GB and curious to see this all play out.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Dec 6, 2016 13:49:51 GMT -6
Its honestly funny to see the MU board ripping one another apart over this. They are basically bashing the kid rather than acknowledging that they have a bully of a coach, much like Wardle. It would be so sweet to get Sandy a game against the Golden Eagles during his time here so he can show Wojo and all of their fans what they missed out on!
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Post by namvet66 on Dec 6, 2016 14:56:07 GMT -6
Regarding Sandy Cohen. This is my take on Sandy Cohen's basketball eligibility. Remember one has to take into his academic standing. Cohen will be transferring into UWGB as a Junior in academic standing. So spring semester of 2017 will constitute his completion of his Junior year in academic standing plus his first semester NCAA sit-out rule. Entering Fall Semester of 2017 Sandy starts his senior year in academic standing as well as his 2nd semester NCAA sit-out rule. Entering spring semester of 2018 Sandy will enter again as a Senior in academic standing. This is where the confusion comes into play. Upon completion of that semester (spring semester 2018) Sandy will have exhausted 4 years of academic standing. From what I have gathered that is why Sandy may only be eligible to play one semester of basketball at UWGB because of his " Four Year Academic standing" not his 4 years of basketball eligibility. Yes it is confusing, but if one remembers a football player at the University of Wisconsin because of errors regarding the academic standing the NCAA would not allow him to play his 4th year of football eligibility because he to exhausted his four years of "Academic Eligibility."
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Post by kricket755 on Dec 6, 2016 21:17:35 GMT -6
GBPhoenix, thanks for the correction on Fischer. I was wrong on that.
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Post by gbbrl97 on Dec 7, 2016 7:37:01 GMT -6
Thanks for untangling the transfer scenarios Kricket.......At the very least, I hope for scenario #1, but would love scenario #2 and get Sandy for nearly 2 full seasons. I can't see the logic in sitting out 1 1/2 years to get 1 season of eligibility. But as indicated above, the NCAA does not believe in logic.
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Post by kricket755 on Dec 12, 2016 16:06:40 GMT -6
Unfortunately, I do not think I untangled much, as my assessment/positive outlook appears to be unlikely based on the work on this situation.
I am anxious for an update on this to hear on if Cohen plans on playing 2nd semester of next season and crossing his fingers in the NCAA appeal process, or sitting next season. In the meantime, I am sure it will pick up the intensity of practice a notch or two.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Jan 5, 2017 16:11:43 GMT -6
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Post by uscg2012 on Jan 11, 2017 18:11:44 GMT -6
Any idea on when we will hear about his eligibility situation? I know it won't be soon but just curious if anyone had a good guess on the time frame.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Jan 12, 2017 11:31:55 GMT -6
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Post by uscg2012 on Feb 8, 2017 20:40:06 GMT -6
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Post by uscg2012 on Mar 19, 2017 17:49:48 GMT -6
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Post by uscg2012 on Aug 8, 2017 19:33:41 GMT -6
Panther: any news on Sandy Cohen and his status this year?
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Post by Panther on Aug 8, 2017 20:06:00 GMT -6
Panther: any news on Sandy Cohen and his status this year? I've heard either December or next year but no final decision yet.
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