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Post by shooting the J on Mar 3, 2012 8:13:03 GMT -6
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Post by fightphoe93 on Mar 3, 2012 8:37:28 GMT -6
My first inclination is to say "who cares", but you make a good point that having a couple extra games would be good for a young team like this one.
There's some potential on this team but potential doesn't mean jack if you don't do something with it. The more experience they get, you'd like to think they'd have a better shot at reaching their potential. They need a lot of work to reach it.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Mar 3, 2012 17:55:03 GMT -6
I love Green Bay basketball. I don't care who is playing or coachign the team, I love it. This team could use the extra practice and game experience, it will only make them better. Yet I can't help but feel that if a 15-15 team is in some sort of post season tournament it certainly lends itself to anyone who feels that there are too many post season games that don't mean anything. I guess you could say I am conflicted but either way GB hoops looks to be on the rise.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Mar 8, 2012 23:00:44 GMT -6
A quick Twitter search found that these are the schools that have accepted bids in to the CIT:
Indiana State Old Dominion Oakland Mercer Manhattan Louisiana Lafayette Tennessee Tech Tennessee State Coastal Carolina Drake USC Upstate Georgia State Yale Fairfield Albany Rice Toledo Cal State Bakersfield Robert Morris Kent State North Dakota (auto-bid)
So there's 21 of the 24 spots, a lot of these teams have an RPI similar or a little higher than ours. Hopefully we get a bid
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 10, 2012 8:52:43 GMT -6
Our friend BlackPantherU and another Milwaukee fan did a projection for the entire NIT, CBI, and CIT field. Their projection includes Green Bay in the CIT field. Check it out it's some good work. After reviewing past tournaments, I like our chances for the CBI better than the CIT. The CIT seems to ignore RPI and reward record. I believe the final CIT bracket will include Savanah St instead of us because they have 19 wins, despite the fact they played a weakling schedule. I do like our chances for the CBI. The CBI invited a 15-15 Evansville team last year with an RPI only a few spots better than ours now. Their field also included San Jose St and Weber St, who had a couple more wins but RPIs a few spots worse than ours now. As the projectors state, a number of the High Major teams in their CBI field will turn down the invite, creating spots for us. We're in the running for what might be the last 1 or 2 spots, but based on history, I think we have a better chance of playing again than I originally thought. This isn't a longshot.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Mar 10, 2012 9:47:42 GMT -6
I'd prefer the CBI honestly. The guys over at Big Apple Buckets have a running total going of teams that have accepted bids into the CBI / CIT plus teams that are under consideration
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Mar 10, 2012 11:49:46 GMT -6
I love Green Bay basketball. I don't care who is playing or coachign the team, I love it. This team could use the extra practice and game experience, it will only make them better. Yet I can't help but feel that if a 15-15 team is in some sort of post season tournament it certainly lends itself to anyone who feels that there are too many post season games that don't mean anything. I guess you could say I am conflicted but either way GB hoops looks to be on the rise. If you watched them through the season they got better as the season went on. In Nov. and Dec. I wondered if they were going to win any close games. Towards the end of the season they were winning most of them. Yes they did have there struggles, but very typical for a young team. I'm looking forward to a push for Conference Champs the next 2-3 years and a little post season experiance could go a long way in getting better next year.
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 11, 2012 17:35:15 GMT -6
If Green Bay doesn't get a post-season birth, with Toledo already having one in the bag, it will be the ultimate feather in the cap of Tod Kowalczyk's embarrassingly pillow soft scheduling technique. Toledo's RPI is just 246th, with a SOS of 295. Green Bay's RPI is 146, with an out of conference SOS of 14. Toledo is 18-16, and recently was victim of 1 of Northern Illinois' 5 victories on the season.
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 11, 2012 18:43:49 GMT -6
The CIT has officially jumped the shark. Multiple RPI sub-200 teams, but didn't extend an invite to RPI 146 Green Bay. Look for that tournament to become a dinosaur within 2 years.
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Post by phearthephoenix on Mar 11, 2012 18:46:57 GMT -6
What a joke
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 11, 2012 19:09:57 GMT -6
Green Bay had 3 wins vs RPI top 100 teams, Toledo had 1. Toledo had 8 losses to RPI sub-200 teams (2 of those were sub-300), Green Bay had 0. Basically, Toledo is terrible, but was invited to the CIT.
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Post by shooting the J on Mar 11, 2012 20:45:37 GMT -6
The Phoenix left out. Lots of teams with lower RPI in.
I guess RPI means nothing anymore.
If the Nix had played Chicago St instead of Michigan Tech, they'd gotten an invite. Michigan Tech would clean the floor with Chicago St.
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Post by can opener man on Mar 17, 2012 9:14:19 GMT -6
It is interesting to see how the CBI and CIT are competing to become the number 3 tournament, The CIT has gone exclusive with mid majors and conferences in which are elgible for their mid major top 25.
Their selection committee is quite interesting:
Riley Wallace (Former head coach, University of Hawaii) CHAIRMAN OF THE SELECTION COMMITTEE Wallace put Hawaii on the college basketball map. Under his guidance, the Rainbow Warriors went to the NCAA Tournament three times. Nine of the school's 12 postseason appearances came during Wallace's tenure, which included a school-record streak of four from 2001-2004.
Jack Bennett (Former head coach, Wisconsin-Stevens Point) Bennett, the winningest coach in UWSP history with (200-56) led the program to back-to-back Divsion III National Championships in 2004 and 2005. In 33 years as a coach at the collegiate and high school level, Bennett had just one losing season. In 2011 CollegeInsider.com established the Jack Bennett Award, which will be presented annually to a non-Division I coach who best exemplifies winning with integrity.
Dave Calloway (Former head coach, Monmouth University) Calloway spent 14 seasons as the head coach at Monmouth leading the program to three NCAA Tournaments (2001, 2004, 2006). Calloway played for Monmouth before starting his coaching career there as a graduate assistant in 1991.
Lefty Driesell (Former head coach, University of Maryland) Driesell finished his coaching career with an impressive record of 786-394. He took four programs (Davidson, Georgia State, James Madison and Maryland) to the NCAA Tournament and is the only coach in history to win 100 games at four different schools. He is known as the inventor of Midnight Madness and was named the conference coach of the year in four different conferences.
Hugh Durham (Former head coach, University of Georgia, Jacksonville) When Durham retired in 2005, he ranked 8th among active Division I coaches in career wins with 633 wins and was the 25th winningest Division I coach in history. He is the only coach in NCAA history to be the all-time winningest coach at three different Division I schools and is one of just 11 coaches to have led two different teams to the NCAA Final Four (Florida State and Georgia).
Pat Flannery (Former head coach, Bucknell University) Flannery led Bucknell to new heights. In 2004-05, the Bison finished the season with a 24-9 record, captured the Patriot League championship and defeated Kansas in the opening round of the NCAA Tournament. The following season, Bucknell won a school record 27 wins and was ranked in the Top 25 for the first time in school history.
Antonio Gates (Former All-American at Kent State) Gates, a seven-time Pro Bowler, is one of the most highly decorated tight ends in NFL history. Named to the NFL's All-Decade Team (2000-09), Gates starred in basketball at Kent State (2001-03) where he was an honorable mention AP All-America as senior and led the Golden Flashes to the Elite 8 of the NCAA Tournament and a school-best No. 12 finish in the ESPN/USA Today Coaches poll. In 2003 the San Diego Chargers signed Gates as free agent.
Jim Harrick (Former head coach, UCLA, Georgia, Rhode Island) Jim Harrick is owner of an overall career coaching record of 470-235 including 1 national championship, 3 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet Sixteens, 16 NCAA Tournaments appearances and 9 Conference Championships.
Arthur Hightower (Former coach and NCAA Administrator) After time as an assistant coach at the University of Houston and the University of Maine, Arthur spent three years as Assistant Director of Professional Development with the NCAA. He is now entering his eighth season as the Director of Player Development with the San Diego Chargers. In 2007 Hightower received the NFL's Winston-Shell Award for commitment and dedication to developing unique and innovative ideas and solutions.
Lou Henson (Former head coach, University of Illinois, New Mexico State) Upon his retirement in 2005, Henson was the sixth all-time winningest coach in career wins with 779 and is the all-time winningest at New Mexico State University with 289 wins. He is one of only 11 coaches to take two different schools to the NCAA Final Four (New Mexico State and Illinois.
Brad Holland (Former head coach, University of San Diego) In 13 seasons Holland compiled a record of 200-176. The two-time WCC Coach of the Year, Holland led the Toreros to the NCAA Tournament in 2003. The last player ever recruited by the legendary John Wooden Holland helped UCLA to four Pac-10 Championships. The 14th overall selection by the Los Angeles Lakers and a member of the 1980 NBA Championship team.
Vincent Jackson (Former All-American at Northern Colorado) Jackson, who still holds numerous football records at the University of Northern Colorado, led the basketball team in scoring (13.6) in his junior season. He also averaged 5.6 rebounds and 3.1 assists per contest. As a sophomore, he averaged 10.6 points per game for the Bears. Jackson, who was drafted in the second round (61st overall) by the San Diego Chargers in 2006, didn't play basketball in his final season at UNC to focus on a professional football career. Jackson was recently named to his second Pro Bowl in 2012.
Ben Jobe (Former head coach, Southern University) In 12 years at Southern, Jobe compiled a 209-141 record, led the Jaguars to the NCAA tournament four times, went to the National Invitational Tournament (NIT) once, won five Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference Championships, won 11 Southwestern Athletic Conference Championships, and won two NAIA Tournament Championships.
Jim Kerwin (Former head coach, Western Illinois University) The 1998-99 Mid-Continent Conference Coach of the Year led Western Illinois to three consecutive top-three regular-season finishes and three consecutive Mid-Continent Conference tournament title games (1995-97). Kerwin led Western Illinois to its first 20-win season in 12 years. He began his career as an assistant at the University of Oklahoma (1984-89), helping the Sooners to six NCAA Tournaments.
Larry Little (Former head coach, University of Hawaii, Centenary College) Little won 203 games in 14 seasons as a head coach at Hawaii and Centenary College. He averaged 20 wins a season during his time at Centenary. His 1974-75 team, which included future Basketball Hall of Famer, Robert Parish, finished 25-4.
Kyle Macy (Former head coach, Morehead State University) Macy coached Morehead State University for nine seasons, leading the program to its most wins (20) in 19 seasons in 2003. A three-time All-America selection, he became the first Kentucky player ever to be named consensus Southeastern Conference (SEC) Player of the Year.
Jim Phelan (Former head coach, Mount Saint Mary's University) Phelan coached for 49 seasons, all of them at Mount St. Mary's University, and became just the fourth coach in NCAA history to eclipse the 800-win plateau. During his career, his teams won 830 games. He is the all-time leader in games coached with 1,354 across all NCAA divisions.
Art Santo Domingo (President of Cable Car Classic) Santo Domingo founded the Cable Car Classic in 1967 with Harry Jupiter. The Cable Car Classic is the longest running holiday tournament in the nation.
Perry Watson (Former head coach, University of Detroit Mercy) The second-winningest coach in Detroit Mercy history, Watson posted nine consecutive winning seasons (1996-2004). His teams claimed three regular-season conference titles and two NCAA Tournament berths, posting wins over St. John's University (1998) and UCLA (1999). The Titans' four consecutive 20-win seasons (1998-2001) is a school record.
Rich Zvosec (Former head coach, University of Missouri-Kansas City) Rich Zvosec, the author of the book "Birds, Dogs & Kangaroos: Life on the Back Roads of College Basketball," created a reputation as a coach that rebuilds programs. He is the all-time winningest coach at UMKC and was named Mid-Continent Conference Coach of the Year in 2005.
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