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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 7, 2019 9:24:03 GMT -6
Athletics collects 63% of the segregated fee per semester. I doubt that % is going down much if any in the future.
On the basketball facility front it is hard to say GB isn’t in the top 4. Especially when you account for arena’s and practice facilities. YSU and UDM play in big dumpy high school gyms with no practice facilities. Oakland plays in a small high school gym with no practice facility, though the atmosphere can get loud due to the size, the building itself isn’t going to impress anyone. Milwaukee and IUPUI play in nicely renovated old arena’s off campus but have to share gyms for a practice facility. CSU plays in a decent building and has a decent practice facility but neither are as nice as the Resch or Dick Bennett gym. So that is top 4 right there for GB. From there you have UIC with an old and fairly average arena but nice practice facility, on par with GB in that regard. WSU plays in an old arena but has the best practice facility. NKU has the best arena and it doubles as the practice facility. I would put GB no worse than 3rd and maybe 2nd in facilities in the league for basketball. Plus having access to the Kress allowed PMI to give GB better dates for basketball. Look how much better the scheduling was this year, that wasn’t by accident in my opinion. Many of the arena’s around the rest of the league share their venues with other sports or concerts and didn’t have that same flexibility.
Here is where the rubber meets the road for me on this topic. The D1 coaches for GB have gone on to the Badgers, Toledo Rockets and Bradley Braves. Different levels but all have the financial support and fan interest to be strong. Other than Milwaukee with Ryan, Pearl and Jordan or WSU with Brownell most of the rest of the league has been the last head coaching stop for guys. Detroit (Watson, McCallum and Alexander), CSU (Garland, Rollie and Waters), YSU (Robich and Slocum) and UIC (Collins and Moore…soon to be McClain). I think NKU’s guy can move up soon. I think Kampe is an isolated case of guy just being happy where he is. I think IUPUI had a good coach who went to Georgia State but the replacement and now Gardner haven’t shown that much in that job. At the end of the day the GB program has figured out a way to be relevant and win games. It has people who care supporting it. Mix in the facilities and I don’t think it is one of the worst jobs in the league.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 7, 2019 13:54:38 GMT -6
GB Phoenix1 thanks for the insight please share any difference between MEG and Charles as far as fundraising? I see more guarantee games $, awesome new screen in the Resch Center, new logo design, and updated equipment Screen is awesome, logo is just ok(hope they didn’t pay to much for that), equipment was a must. Wonder if the money was in the budget or if GB fundraised for that? Or possibly guarantee money was used for all three. I wouldn't say I have insight. I follow the government reports and GB has increased spending on men's hoops from the 1.5 million range to about 1.9 million over the last 5ish years. They play more buy games than they used to and fund raising is up from when Bothof was in charge. It seems to me that some of the buy money is going back to men's hoops. I know they played 4 of those games this year for the first time. Don't get me wrong they are still raising money through the Phoenix Fund, they haven't cut anything that I can see. It seems they are looking to raise the money faster...100k for two days in East Lansing is a lot faster than smiling and dialing. As for the new logo I don't know what they paid for it but I am not blind either. It has far fewer details and colors than the old one. It seems like it paid for itself every time they print it. I can't confirm that was a factor though as I don't know anyone who makes those types of decisions for the program.
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Post by gonix on Jan 8, 2019 22:33:54 GMT -6
With all the fundraising from student fees, the Phoenix fund, trade mark of a new logo(must be selling a whole lot of new gear), guess athletics should have a banner year in fundraising?!
Truth in reality, UWGB athletic budget is bottom of the league and they needs men's hoops to help bail it out! If they didn't, then more paid games wouldn't be needed and the men's team could pay for a few home games just like the former coaches from GB do now at Bradley and Toledo.
As you said former coaches left because they "all have the financial support and fan interest to be stronger" at the next place.
I agree with you that the practice facility is nice! A family's friend daughter attends UWGB and there is a dilemma, basketball has to share that with other sports and campus organizations (intramurals) They don't always get the opportunity to use it when they need too. That is a big kick in the balls for a program and its player development. Man, if the best part of a basketball program is its practice facility that you share with the rest of campus and have to wait your turn to use at times. I guess a program can really hang their hat on that one?
Reality is that UWGB job is still in the bottom 1/3) Recruiting area 10th (Last) Buy Games (8th, might as well be last) Budget (8th) Facilities (4th)
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 17, 2019 10:38:46 GMT -6
I was bored last night so I did a little Horizon League roster review.
Oakland has two players from Metro Detroit. Detroit has two players from Metro Detroit and 3 if you include Ann Arbor. UIC has one player from Metro Chicago and 2 if you include Gary Indiana. NKU has two players from the Greater Cincinnati area. CSU has zero players from the Metro Cleveland area. UWM has one player from the Metro Milwaukee area.
Green Bay has two players from the Green Bay area on their team. So most teams in the league are getting guys from a couple of hours away. Not including Madison where you have Justice, McGlynn, Murphy, Eady and Lutzow playing for other teams. Not including Milwaukee which has several D1 players especially via the JUCO route. Just using the rest of the state that would be Green Bay's area you have James Gollon, Ben Vander Plas, Luke Loew, Billy Wampler, the Hauser brothers, Ty Haliburton, Jordan McCabe, Owen Hamilton, Brevin Pritzl, Phil Flory, Ryan Krueger, Jaxon Knotek and Matt Heldt in addition to Cohen, Cody Schwartz, Will Chevalier and Trevor Anderson. Not to mention John Diener, Derek Sabin and soon to be D1 player Marcus Domask who are in the general area. I get that some guys on this list are at a high level but you can't tell me that GB's recruiting area isn't capable of producing some players that could contribute to supplement the out of state recruiting efforts.
Also, I think GB needs to be really good on the transfer market. There are some WI based players that I think might end up back in the area before it is all said and done.
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Post by gonix on Jan 17, 2019 19:05:23 GMT -6
Since I was bored today and had nothing to do but sit around and be a critic! Beside the high major players, lets take a look at the rest of GB recruiting area! "just using the rest of the state that GB's area!"
James Gollon - Ohio Univ (1-3 conference play) 4 Games played this season,
Ben Vander Plas - Ohio Univ 16gm 9.3 pt gm,
Luke Loew - William Mary (3-3 Conf Rec) 2.7 pt gm
Billy Wampler - Wright State (2-3 Conf Rec) 14.7 pt gm Transferred from Drake, offered him
Ryan Krueger SDSU (5-1 Conf Rec) 2.6 Pts Game, Played in 16/21 games, didn't even play the last game
Jaxon Knotek NDSU (2-3 Conf Rec) 1.9 pts gm, only played in 8/19 games
Derck Sabin Belmont (Did we beat them?) 1.0 pts gm, played in 9/15 games
Phil flory, Albany (5-13 Overall) Transferred from Seton Hall, Played in 5gms this year!
High major D1 players, non of which are going to attend UWGB out of high school with high major offers! Serious are you kidding me! Houser Brothers Haliburton - Iowa State McCake W. Virginia Owen Hamilton - Wisconsin, transferred from N. Illionis, ave 1.9pts @ UNI Matt Heldt - Marquette John Diener - De Paul Not playing
With the exception of Wampler(who GB offered), real talented impact guys to pick from! Seriously stop digging!
What players did you list that are making an impact? You want to take players just because they are from the area to supplement the roster? Do you really want GB to take player who transfer back to the area, because they were not good enough to play at another school! Stellar Recruiting area!
Com'on Man!
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Jan 18, 2019 12:10:35 GMT -6
Com’on man, GB has given scholarships to the Brown twins, Bains, Jevon and Parham amongst others. Some of these guys from WI can at least do what they do. Some of those other guys I listed are in their first or second year. With player development or being a system fit they can grow. Carrington Love took 23 three point shots as a freshman and made 3, which is 13% on his way to averaging 2.6 points/game. As a senior he took 245 3 point shots and made 85 which is almost 35% on his way to averaging 17.3 points. Kam Hankerson only played in 24 games as a freshman and averaged 3.1 points and only took 24 3 point shots. He took 128 3’s last year and is on pace for about the same this year. Judging guys on just what they have done in a short time isn’t that helpful.
As for transfers it would seem important to get the guys who go the high major route but maybe don’t stay there. Guys like Terrance Lewis, John Diener or Jordan McCabe may not stay 4 years at their current schools.
BGSU and IUPUI crushed GB on the glass, seems to me that taking a chance on a guy with some size might be a smart thing to do. I don’t know if Owen Hamilton will be any good but I am pretty sure what his game and build will look like in a year or two is much different than what it is now. Would a Brandon Gilbeck help last night? I think so.
I am not at the point of bashing Linc and his staff. I am at the point that other than money and how they go about getting money this is a pretty competitive job. It certainly is a job that guys can use as a springboard to bigger things. Much of the Horizon League can’t say that about their programs. It is probably the 5th best job using the Goodman criteria and better if you take out coaching salary and buy games.
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