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Post by shooting the J on Dec 28, 2014 21:12:16 GMT -6
Chicago State (4-11) @ Green Bay (10-3) When: Wednesday, 12/31, Noon Where: The Resch Center, Green Bay Streaming video: ESPN3 Radio:WNFL 92.1 FM 1440 AM
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Post by shooting the J on Dec 28, 2014 21:21:37 GMT -6
This should be a fun way to start New Years Day. Chicago State lost a ton of seniors after last year, and has really struggled. We should get to see a heavy dose of the youngsters in this one, and stay fresh for conference play. I'm hoping to see a long stretches with Daeshon Francis on the floor, he could really become something special.
Former Phoenix walk-on Jared Dimakos is on scholarship for CSU and scoring 6.3 ppg, that's good to see.
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Post by shooting the J on Dec 29, 2014 22:41:49 GMT -6
Chicago State knocked off 6-5 Nebraska-Omaha tonight. That's the same Omaha team that beat Marquette earlier this year. Nice win for them.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Dec 31, 2014 7:12:39 GMT -6
I know CSU just won a D1 game so GB can not look past them but prior to that they were terrible. They seemed to have a lack of talent and the one guy with talent, Rosenberg, is a giant ball hog. Last year GB routed a better CSU team on the road and got fat off of dunks. This is a perfect game to get Mays in the flow, he was great attacking the rim against them in the past. I am confident GB will grind these guys away with good defense and easy buckets.
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Post by HenryMuto on Dec 31, 2014 13:39:41 GMT -6
Come on guys you can't lose this game down 45-44 with 6 mins left.
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Post by fightphoe93 on Dec 31, 2014 14:11:27 GMT -6
What the heck happened? In the stat sheet it said that Love and Sykes began the game on the bench. Is that true, or just a misprint? 0 points for Greg Mays? Wow.
The good news, it's a win. The bad news.... it's a very bad omen to play that poorly at home this late in the season. Can someone who saw the game give a summary of what happened?
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Dec 31, 2014 15:17:18 GMT -6
What the heck happened? In the stat sheet it said that Love and Sykes began the game on the bench. Is that true, or just a misprint? 0 points for Greg Mays? Wow. The good news, it's a win. The bad news.... it's a very bad omen to play that poorly at home this late in the season. Can someone who saw the game give a summary of what happened? Love and Sykes both started. But we plain out got lucky CS out hustled us and wanted it more. Maybe everyone was at Keifers 21st Birthday party yesterday? I've never seen him shot 25% from the FT line I always called him a money player. I've watched him go 6-6 or 8-8 in the last 5 min. of a game. Let's just write this one off and play like we can the next game. Here are the stats but there even uglier. 44.8% from the FT line as a team! sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/chicago-state-cougars-green-bay-phoenix-201412310652/
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Post by jonnyindepere on Dec 31, 2014 15:23:32 GMT -6
I was hoping to come away from this game feeling much more positive about conference than I do right now. Awful. I know it's a win, but the way the Phoenix were out muscled on the boards and out hustled to loose balls and on both the defensive and offensive end of the floor was inexcusable. Is there a reason that BW needs to be constantly yelling through every possession on both ends of the court? What do these guys do in practice? I felt like today was a scrimmage at the end of a practice, with how much yelling BW was doing, and from the lack of fire shown by the Phoenix it sure did seem that way. Constant yelling by a coach, about things other than play calling or defensive assignments, IMO is a lack of respect for the athletes on the floor, these kids know what they're supposed to be doing, let them play, the entire Resch Center doesn't need to hear a coach yell to his players to get their hands up, that should be something coached in practice and something players know to do from the time they get in to high school.
Also, the rotation makes no damn sense to me whatsoever. I understand a message needs to be sent to Mays for his lack of play lately. However, does giving him 45 seconds and then yanking him really give him a chance to do anything at all? Whatever the reason was that he was pulled early should not result in a spot on the bench for the entirety of the rest the game. Mays needs to play through this, could we maybe run some sets for him or get him the ball down in the post? I may have missed a few possessions but I don't recall a single post move in today's game. Down low the team was absolutely out played, where is the development of these post guys? In the past seasons you see young guys get good minutes and develop their games, this year you see six guys get good minutes and maybe two more who are quick subs for the starters. From a spectator who has recently began paying attention to GB basketball and who is an avid watcher of college basketball around the nation, I see a coach who is relying on one player (Sykes) to get him through so, in result, he can move on to a bigger school. There's no consistent rotation (what has happened to Small?) or signs of consistent positive development from other players.
We'll see how the conference play starts, and I'd assume that it will be fine, but this team has some glaring weaknesses that are bound to be exposed and with these box and 1's on Sykes, have begun to be exposed.
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Post by phoenixphan87 on Dec 31, 2014 15:42:51 GMT -6
That was a brutal game to watch. This team looked flat, got outhustled and killed on the boards to a Sub 300 RPI club. Throw in shooting 13-29 from the line and it was a miracle that they pulled the game out. Did not understand sitting Mays for the rest of the game after the quick yank. Wardle proved his point to him and I felt Mays could have helped on the boards in the second half(and maybe make some fts too). Hopefully there are no lingering effects from this game on Monday vs Wright State.
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Dec 31, 2014 16:52:17 GMT -6
This game was embarrassing. To me, this showing proved that Wardle is truly an inept coach. For the second game in a row, he was baffled by the presses and traps and took his sweet time making very subtle, ineffective adjustments. I don't know if he expects the guys to make a certain number of passes on offense before they shoot, but it sure seemed like it as I can recall at least four times where Fouse, Skyes and Love had an open baseline to the hoop and passed it back to the top of the key right into a trap. Also, I was very surprised to see Mays get benched so early after missing his only shot very early on. I don't know if there is tension behind the scenes, but for Wardle to give Lowe so much time over Mays is beyond me. Mays has been in a rut lately, but you don't climb out of that rut by sitting on the bench in favor of someone with clearly inferior talent. As someone mentioned before, the amount of screaming and yelling Wardle was doing was unnecessary. At the midpoint of the season, the guys know what they should be doing and it is up to Wardle to create an effective gameplan, which he failed to do. The clear favoritism that Wardle shows (excessive playing time for Lowe and lack of recognition of the contributions everyone else on the bench are able to make, especially noting how he just stopped playing Vince Garrett last year, I am fearful Mays will have the same fate) is only going to hurt the team moving into conference play. As for the positives, I was really impressed with Mckinnie and Fouse today. Both guys played hard from start to finish which is what we will need if we are going to make a deeper run this year. I have no idea what was wrong with Sykes today. He literally scored no points in the first half and just looked tense and flustered the whole game. Hopefully he can get some positive reinforcement and turn it around.
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Post by shooting the J on Dec 31, 2014 18:50:04 GMT -6
This game was embarrassing. To me, this showing proved that Wardle is truly an inept coach. Yes, he's inept, and that's why there 11-3 and nothing less than one of the top teams in the country, and have 9 double digit victories. Everyone is entitled an opinion, but yours is incredibly ignorant.
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Dec 31, 2014 19:15:17 GMT -6
This game was embarrassing. To me, this showing proved that Wardle is truly an inept coach. Yes, he's inept, and that's why there 11-3 and nothing less than one of the top teams in the country, and have 9 double digit victories. Everyone is entitled an opinion, but yours is incredibly ignorant. Don't get me wrong I am a fan of the team through and through, however Wardle is not the mastermind that people on this site make him out to be. The team is reliant on their superior talent in comparison to most teams they play. When the teams are evenly matched is when Wardle is exposed as a coach. Today was different in that we were the obvious favorite but yet we almost squandered the game. If Wardle was the genius people in this thread make him out to be he wouldn't stick with the confusing rotation that clearly hasn't been working and he would draw up better gameplans to help maximize the teams performance. To this point Wardle has consistently been bailed out by his guys stepping up when the game matters most. Their record is not reflective of his coaching skill, but the team's overall skill. Again, I love this team but as they showed today, they are not one of the TOP teams in the country as you claim. They are a very good team both mentally and physically and they find success despite their mediocre coach. Better coaching would put them over the top and make them elite.
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Post by stillaphoenixphan on Dec 31, 2014 21:18:00 GMT -6
This game was embarrassing. To me, this showing proved that Wardle is truly an inept coach. Yes, he's inept, and that's why there 11-3 and nothing less than one of the top teams in the country, and have 9 double digit victories. Everyone is entitled an opinion, but yours is incredibly ignorant. GB has been consistantly ranked 4-5 in most Mid-Major poles. Wardle and his assistant's are some of the best at this level or how would they get talented players. They see the talent that most others miss. Then work with them until they get better. That's why most players take 2-3 years to develop. They were'nt complete and the Coaching Staff works to make them better. Tell me that you knew Jordan would be able to make a 3 with the shot he had as a Freshman? He's turned into one of our best players. The Coaches saw how good he could be. Sykes wasn't recruited out of H.S. and just turned 21 so really he should just be a junior. There's still plenty of work for everyone including FT's (my pet peave). If I was Coach would I change anything, of course but don't rag on them!
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Post by knightlyfe920 on Jan 1, 2015 2:11:41 GMT -6
Yes, he's inept, and that's why there 11-3 and nothing less than one of the top teams in the country, and have 9 double digit victories. Everyone is entitled an opinion, but yours is incredibly ignorant. GB has been consistantly ranked 4-5 in most Mid-Major poles. Wardle and his assistant's are some of the best at this level or how would they get talented players. They see the talent that most others miss. Then work with them until they get better. That's why most players take 2-3 years to develop. They were'nt complete and the Coaching Staff works to make them better. Tell me that you knew Jordan would be able to make a 3 with the shot he had as a Freshman? He's turned into one of our best players. The Coaches saw how good he could be. Sykes wasn't recruited out of H.S. and just turned 21 so really he should just be a junior. There's still plenty of work for everyone including FT's (my pet peave). If I was Coach would I change anything, of course but don't rag on them! Coaches are not able to grant athletic ability or skill, they can help fine tune them, but that is about it. The coaches did not create the skill or elite athleticism that Sykes or any of the guys have for that matter. I think it is more than fair to take a critical look at the quality of coaching, especially after this game. This is not a knee jerk reaction for me as I have noticed the same stuff lingering on from the past two years. Wardle never adjusts his gameplan effectively, he has no coherent playing rotation and he makes rash decisions based on emotion that effect the outcomes of his games. As I have repeated before, he is no mastermind of any sort when it comes to practical applications of coaching ability come game time. I don't know if you were at the game, but anyone that has ever watched basketball before would have recognized the need to push the ball in a more uptempo manner against the zone, as well as take advantage of the numerous open baselines. Normally, players would instinctually recognize these situations and take advantage of them, but whatever Wardle is telling the guys is effecting their play. A good coach also has to treat his players with dignity, and I'm not going to elaborate on his whole verbal abuse allegations (which I'm sure weren't just made up by numerous players out of thin air), but even with Mays in this game, there is no reason to bench him for the rest of the game after missing one shot after less than two minutes of game time, it was disrespectful to say the least. As someone also pointed out, Wardle was excessively yelling out obvious commands to his players for stuff they were already doing. In my opinion, when Wardle's gameplan doesn't work, he gets upset and lets his childish emotions get the better of him and in turn it hinders the team's performance. To constantly make excuses and turn a blind eye to the negatives of the coaching is wrong, and just point to the record and the fact that they get good talent from unheralded areas does not let one deduce great coaching. I'll say it a million times, this is a great team, and it could be an elite team with higher quality coaching.
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Post by shooting the J on Jan 1, 2015 9:10:32 GMT -6
GB has been consistantly ranked 4-5 in most Mid-Major poles. Wardle and his assistant's are some of the best at this level or how would they get talented players. They see the talent that most others miss. Then work with them until they get better. That's why most players take 2-3 years to develop. They were'nt complete and the Coaching Staff works to make them better. Tell me that you knew Jordan would be able to make a 3 with the shot he had as a Freshman? He's turned into one of our best players. The Coaches saw how good he could be. Sykes wasn't recruited out of H.S. and just turned 21 so really he should just be a junior. There's still plenty of work for everyone including FT's (my pet peave). If I was Coach would I change anything, of course but don't rag on them! Coaches are not able to grant athletic ability or skill, they can help fine tune them, but that is about it. The coaches did not create the skill or elite athleticism that Sykes or any of the guys have for that matter. I think it is more than fair to take a critical look at the quality of coaching, especially after this game. This is not a knee jerk reaction for me as I have noticed the same stuff lingering on from the past two years. Wardle never adjusts his gameplan effectively, he has no coherent playing rotation and he makes rash decisions based on emotion that effect the outcomes of his games. As I have repeated before, he is no mastermind of any sort when it comes to practical applications of coaching ability come game time. I don't know if you were at the game, but anyone that has ever watched basketball before would have recognized the need to push the ball in a more uptempo manner against the zone, as well as take advantage of the numerous open baselines. Normally, players would instinctually recognize these situations and take advantage of them, but whatever Wardle is telling the guys is effecting their play. A good coach also has to treat his players with dignity, and I'm not going to elaborate on his whole verbal abuse allegations (which I'm sure weren't just made up by numerous players out of thin air), but even with Mays in this game, there is no reason to bench him for the rest of the game after missing one shot after less than two minutes of game time, it was disrespectful to say the least. As someone also pointed out, Wardle was excessively yelling out obvious commands to his players for stuff they were already doing. In my opinion, when Wardle's gameplan doesn't work, he gets upset and lets his childish emotions get the better of him and in turn it hinders the team's performance. To constantly make excuses and turn a blind eye to the negatives of the coaching is wrong, and just point to the record and the fact that they get good talent from unheralded areas does not let one deduce great coaching. I'll say it a million times, this is a great team, and it could be an elite team with higher quality coaching. If you can't see the in-game adjustments Coach Wardle makes, then your not the basketball expert you pretend to be. The adjustments he made in the 2nd half versus Georgia State worked. That's a high quality team with a proven coach and 2 elite players. Your idea of trying to drive baseline against a trapping zone shows you're in over your head in any coaching discussion. That's exactly what the defense is trying to force. The team was actually showing good discipline for avoiding that trap, and you call it bad coaching. Green Bay has great athletes, but those players were under-recruited because of their skill and fundamental levels. Some coaches only recruit fully developed skill players. Those teams play a style purists applaud, even while they don't win. Billy Donlon and Wright State is an example of this. They settle for mediocrity while the coach is lauded for his players fundamental play, despite the fact it was taught to the players by their previous coaches. Wardle is willing to spend practice time developing his athletes into basketball players, even though that cuts into game prep and execution time. It's worth it, as it creates a higher ceiling team, if the coach is has the patience and vision to wait for the reward. Yes, coach Wardle coaches his team from the sidelines throughout the game, so did Dick Bennett. Would you rather have a coach like Rob Jeter who sits on the bench quietly while his team gets blown out? As for Mays, I was waiting for them to drop the hammer on him. A fully deserved benching that had nothing to do with one missed shot. His effort and focus have been missing all season. I watched practice on Monday, and Greg spent most of his time trying to joke around with teammates who were ignoring him. Hopefully Greg gets the message and gets to work, it would be a shame to see him continue to waste his incredible gifts. Kenneth Lowe is struggling offensively, but he's defending like a beast, which is why he's getting minutes. As for a coherent rotation, why is that important? Why is it a bad thing to reward a player who had a good week of practice with increased playing time? You complain about the effort level yesterday, don't you understand that competition breeds work ethic? Green Bay has a number of similar reserve guards. The rotation could continue to evolve all season.
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