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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 22, 2023 21:41:42 GMT -6
If there was unlimited amounts of practice time to work on things with players that don't have other responsibilities like school work, then sure they should have a game plan for every scenario. In game #4 of the season to have a game plan ready for a defense that an opposing team normally doesn't play isn't the best use of the time they have to prepare. Especially when they are still perfecting their core identity as a team. So don't install a zone offense until you play a team that plays zone. Got it. New coach and new players, same unhappy nonsense posting. Got it.
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Post by uscg2012 on Nov 23, 2023 8:48:08 GMT -6
Happy Thanksgiving!
Montana State beats UC Riverside by 1. MSU had a 4 point lead until UC Riverside hit a garbage 3 to end the game. The line was 3.5 for the game therefore you either got really lucky or that was a terrible beat!
Makes the trip to Montana even better coming away with a win!
Onto St. Thomas! Big chance to beat a solid mid major team at home!
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 23, 2023 8:52:21 GMT -6
Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. If there was unlimited amounts of practice time to work on things with players that don't have other responsibilities like school work, then sure they should have a game plan for every scenario. In game #4 of the season to have a game plan ready for a defense that an opposing team normally doesn't play isn't the best use of the time they have to prepare. Especially when they are still perfecting their core identity as a team. The simple question I always ask when someone tells me what we should work on is "what should we work on less?" There's only so much practice time. When you enter year 2, preparation becomes much easier.
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Post by Former uwgb men’s manager will on Nov 23, 2023 9:13:33 GMT -6
Exactly I was a 4 year uwgb mens basketball manager. They played tough on playing games back to back days that’s tough probably even in the nba. Practice is valuable you have your practice and your lifting. Which helps your basketball play. And school in college. And sometimes family emergencies that’s life and foster wonders had to deal with that.
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Post by cuchillo on Nov 23, 2023 12:41:18 GMT -6
If there was unlimited amounts of practice time to work on things with players that don't have other responsibilities like school work, then sure they should have a game plan for every scenario. In game #4 of the season to have a game plan ready for a defense that an opposing team normally doesn't play isn't the best use of the time they have to prepare. Especially when they are still perfecting their core identity as a team. The simple question I always ask when someone tells me what we should work on is "what should we work on less?" There's only so much practice time. When you enter year 2, preparation becomes much easier. With the amount of practice time available now compared to the hard starting date of Oct. 15, there I'd more time to install and prepare things then there ever has been. Doesn't matter who the coach is. To say there isn't enough time to work on anything you want to under the current length of the season is simply ignorant.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 23, 2023 14:31:53 GMT -6
Picture the post game interview
Q: Coach your half court offense really stalled all game against their man to man defense, what do you attribute that to?
A: On the bright side we used our time to get ready for the zone defense they hadn't previously played and didn't have to play tonight because our offense didn't spend time preparing to score against their man to man defense.
They have limits on the number of hours per day, number of days per week and total hours per week. They have to prepare their offense, defense, blob's, slob's, late game special situations, lift weights, do skill work or watch film too.
When they go against OU, UDM or NKU they will have more zone offense ready to go. Even then they will likely need different ideas for the different types of zones they face. Expecting them to have this ready at this point of a total rebuild is ignorant.
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 23, 2023 21:07:09 GMT -6
The simple question I always ask when someone tells me what we should work on is "what should we work on less?" There's only so much practice time. When you enter year 2, preparation becomes much easier. With the amount of practice time available now compared to the hard starting date of Oct. 15, there I'd more time to install and prepare things then there ever has been. Doesn't matter who the coach is. To say there isn't enough time to work on anything you want to under the current length of the season is simply ignorant. So what's your answer? What can we work on less? What are we so awesome at that it no longer requires attention?
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Post by cuchillo on Nov 24, 2023 12:03:14 GMT -6
With the amount of practice time available now compared to the hard starting date of Oct. 15, there I'd more time to install and prepare things then there ever has been. Doesn't matter who the coach is. To say there isn't enough time to work on anything you want to under the current length of the season is simply ignorant. So what's your answer? What can we work on less? What are we so awesome at that it no longer requires attention? So you are asking me to believe that after 6+ weeks of practice - about 35 practices for I'm guessing roughly 70 hours of practice - they could not squeeze in any significant zone offense work? Come on, guys. You're better than this.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 24, 2023 13:49:14 GMT -6
How many teams play zone defense exclusively in the country?
How many teams play zone defense a lot in a game?
How many of those are on the GB schedule?
They could make time for anything and choose to make time for what is a top priority.
Even when they do add something they have to rep it with at least the first 10 guys on the depth chart.
Of those guys some like Douglas Jr, Reynolds and Jones would need to get reps at multiple positions in the offense.
Using up time on something they weren't likely to face doesn't seem like the best use of time.
Especially when breaking a late game press or making late game free throws is currently just as big on an issue as beating that zone.
However, it's on film for opponents to see. Some teams are going to throw it in the game plan now. GB has no choice but to be ready for it now. In some ways that gives them an advantage. Most teams that use it will be implementing it with not a lot of practice. GB meanwhile will have more offensive plays ready for it.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Nov 24, 2023 13:55:25 GMT -6
So what's your answer? What can we work on less? What are we so awesome at that it no longer requires attention? Come on, guys. You're better than this. But they're not. Its excuse-making and blind homer-ism. A lot of people, unfortunately, have to live vicariously through a team/player/coach etc. and they take criticism of those people as criticism of themselves. I played organized sports for 20+ years of my life, including in college. While I did not play organized basketball, I can safely say in any sport I've played, whether it was baseball, lacrosse, football, or soccer, if our team got locked down or exposed by any sort of offensive or defensive scheme, there would be time devoted to that deficiency to at least some extent to try to shore up those deficiencies, not just ignore them because "it isn't our gameplan or philosophy," or "oh, we will probably never see that again!" I've also taught D1 college basketball players. Unfortunately for the kids, the sport IS treated as a full-time job. Majority of their time is dedicated to the sport. To say, "there aren't enough hours in the day," or "there isn't enough practice time to devote to this" is simply ignoring the reality of what it is to be a D1 athlete. If something is pressing, time is made for it, often at the expense of their coursework. No, I'm not saying kids should be skipping class to work on 1-3-1 schemes whatsoever, or anything for that matter. I am firmly in the camp of emphasizing and putting the STUDENT aspect ahead of the athlete. I'm simply saying that if a coach WANTS to work on something, it gets worked on. I do actually like what I've seen of Sunny so far. I like the energy. I like how he is involving himself in the community. That is huge and we haven't seen that in a while, it goes a long long way. So far, it is very early and it is clearly a very new team, but I do have concerns about his ability to adapt his gameplan and make adjustments and teach disciplined basketball. I've watched games with guys who have played at this level, far more trained eyes than my own, and they echo these exact same sentiments. Before anyone cries that I am just trying to bring the team down, I'll be at the Resch tomorrow supporting as I always do when I can, its been far too long since I've seen the Nix win there.
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 24, 2023 14:53:57 GMT -6
What you two are missing is that SNC game doesn't have stats or film for opponents to review.
Nobody in Bozeman MT should know what worked or didn't work against GB in that game. The GB coaching staff had 3 MSU games to view and they didn't see much or any that defense in those games.
I don't live through any player or coach, they are just the current people that are part of the team. In any season some or all could be gone by the spring. However, if I did live through them that would be better than hating on this program for almost a decade under multiple user ID's.
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Post by yayphoenixyay on Nov 24, 2023 19:44:43 GMT -6
What you two are missing is that SNC game doesn't have stats or film for opponents to review. Nobody in Bozeman MT should know what worked or didn't work against GB in that game. The GB coaching staff had 3 MSU games to view and they didn't see much or any that defense in those games. I don't live through any player or coach, they are just the current people that are part of the team. In any season some or all could be gone by the spring. However, if I did live through them that would be better than hating on this program for almost a decade under multiple user ID's. The point you’re missing is that GB THEMSELVES saw that same scheme in preseason game 1 and did literally nothing about it. I’m not a Montana state aficionado, but I doubt that was the first time they’ve ever run a 1-3-1, and the film on them, or their previous coach from Point Loma possibly would’ve spelled that out. The point is, if you know you need to work on something, you work on it. Just lmao at your last point, no I do not have multiple accounts that I use to post here, but to think that there is some sort of conspiracy that I’m trying to sow discontent by astroturfing on a message board read by a couple dozen people is simply laughable. There are plenty of other users that agree with me, and I don’t have to have a bunch of aliases to get my points across. Go Nix!
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 24, 2023 20:31:03 GMT -6
Come on, guys. You're better than this. But they're not. Its excuse-making and blind homer-ism. A lot of people, unfortunately, have to live vicariously through a team/player/coach etc. and they take criticism of those people as criticism of themselves. I played organized sports for 20+ years of my life, including in college. While I did not play organized basketball, I can safely say in any sport I've played, whether it was baseball, lacrosse, football, or soccer, if our team got locked down or exposed by any sort of offensive or defensive scheme, there would be time devoted to that deficiency to at least some extent to try to shore up those deficiencies, not just ignore them because "it isn't our gameplan or philosophy," or "oh, we will probably never see that again!" I've also taught D1 college basketball players. Unfortunately for the kids, the sport IS treated as a full-time job. Majority of their time is dedicated to the sport. To say, "there aren't enough hours in the day," or "there isn't enough practice time to devote to this" is simply ignoring the reality of what it is to be a D1 athlete. If something is pressing, time is made for it, often at the expense of their coursework. No, I'm not saying kids should be skipping class to work on 1-3-1 schemes whatsoever, or anything for that matter. I am firmly in the camp of emphasizing and putting the STUDENT aspect ahead of the athlete. I'm simply saying that if a coach WANTS to work on something, it gets worked on. I do actually like what I've seen of Sunny so far. I like the energy. I like how he is involving himself in the community. That is huge and we haven't seen that in a while, it goes a long long way. So far, it is very early and it is clearly a very new team, but I do have concerns about his ability to adapt his gameplan and make adjustments and teach disciplined basketball. I've watched games with guys who have played at this level, far more trained eyes than my own, and they echo these exact same sentiments. Before anyone cries that I am just trying to bring the team down, I'll be at the Resch tomorrow supporting as I always do when I can, its been far too long since I've seen the Nix win there. Surprise, surprise. Look who's mad that the team concentrates on defense. Linc Darners only fan. The guy that hated when Green Bay won and beat high majors regularly by playing defense under Wardle. Green Bay's entire history of success was built on defense.
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Post by shooting the J on Nov 24, 2023 20:49:43 GMT -6
What you two are missing is that SNC game doesn't have stats or film for opponents to review. Nobody in Bozeman MT should know what worked or didn't work against GB in that game. The GB coaching staff had 3 MSU games to view and they didn't see much or any that defense in those games. I don't live through any player or coach, they are just the current people that are part of the team. In any season some or all could be gone by the spring. However, if I did live through them that would be better than hating on this program for almost a decade under multiple user ID's. The point you’re missing is that GB THEMSELVES saw that same scheme in preseason game 1 and did literally nothing about it. I’m not a Montana state aficionado, but I doubt that was the first time they’ve ever run a 1-3-1, and the film on them, or their previous coach from Point Loma possibly would’ve spelled that out. The point is, if you know you need to work on something, you work on it. What did you suggest that they work on less?
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Post by GBPhoenix1 on Nov 24, 2023 22:51:26 GMT -6
What you two are missing is that SNC game doesn't have stats or film for opponents to review. Nobody in Bozeman MT should know what worked or didn't work against GB in that game. The GB coaching staff had 3 MSU games to view and they didn't see much or any that defense in those games. I don't live through any player or coach, they are just the current people that are part of the team. In any season some or all could be gone by the spring. However, if I did live through them that would be better than hating on this program for almost a decade under multiple user ID's. The point you’re missing is that GB THEMSELVES saw that same scheme in preseason game 1 and did literally nothing about it. I’m not a Montana state aficionado, but I doubt that was the first time they’ve ever run a 1-3-1, and the film on them, or their previous coach from Point Loma possibly would’ve spelled that out. The point is, if you know you need to work on something, you work on it. Just lmao at your last point, no I do not have multiple accounts that I use to post here, but to think that there is some sort of conspiracy that I’m trying to sow discontent by astroturfing on a message board read by a couple dozen people is simply laughable. There are plenty of other users that agree with me, and I don’t have to have a bunch of aliases to get my points across. Go Nix! GTFOH, so another SNC supporter that mentored or instructed student athletes that was banned from this board multiple times right before your user name was created isn't the same person...okay fine it's a conspiracy.
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